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[Chrumpek]

Bivo wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Bivo wrote...

superstan2310 wrote...

Eventually we will get to the point where everything is a pile of **** thanks to nerfing.

Relatively to what ?

To enemies, their health, armor and damage stays the same//gets increased.

So they will still kill you with 2-4 hits on plat and you will take 2 clips to down a geth hutner :>

I am not in the mood to discuss the merits of Gear (like spamming five more grenades once in a while), compared to minimal health increases for ennemies.
A word of advice : play bronze. Lots of fun, every gun is fabulous.

If your not in the mood to discuss, then stay away from it instead of posting questions and poking other posts.

[GallowsPole]

I love when people only want fun for themselves and say F you to the other 3 people. I bough the game too and want to have fun. It isn't fun, playing a CO-OP game when everything gets blown up in a couple of shots. I get tired of someone spamming grenades too for the same crap. So I'm glad YOU have fun.

I don't call for nerfs/buffs either. Balance means being forced to work as a team, as the game was intended for. As you can see, that doesn't mean having every gun do the same job. It's useful on an Inf, who has the bonuses for it. An Inf can be 1 of 4 team mates working to achieve the goods.

[Someone With Mass]

Actually, yeah. I was tired of seeing entire teams using the thing.

[Lexa_D]

codename2o2 wrote...

It wasn't a sniper rifle, it was a grenade launcher with a built in scope. I'm glad it's dead and buried.

True words brother.

[UEG Donkey]

Zso_Zso wrote...

xcaliz0rz wrote...

I'm glad you took the time to watch the video but completely neglected the description on that very same video: 'but it still works well after the nerf'.

Luckily for you I was in the mood to prove the people who think this gun is worthless wrong.

 

(GI + weapon gear V + weapon rail III + ammo IV) will make ANY weapon do insane damage.
You could have reached similar score with a shuriken (in fact shuriken has higher DPS, so probably more)

You did not demonstrate that the weapon is good. You demonstrated that GI + max eq. is godly on anything.

At this point with all the level 4 ammo drops does it really matter? If you arent using level 3-4 equipment then your simply hoarding. 

Modifié par UEG Donkey, 14 août 2012 - 02:49 .

[Chrumpek]

GallowsPole wrote...

I love when people only want fun for themselves and say F you to the other 3 people. I bough the game too and want to have fun. It isn't fun, playing a CO-OP game when everything gets blown up in a couple of shots. I get tired of someone spamming grenades too for the same crap. So I'm glad YOU have fun.

I don't call for nerfs/buffs either. Balance means being forced to work as a team, as the game was intended for. As you can see, that doesn't mean having every gun do the same job. It's useful on an Inf, who has the bonuses for it. An Inf can be 1 of 4 team mates working to achieve the goods.

That's totally subjective, other people want their guns to feel strong on every difficulty. In the end both sides get the 'balanced' imposed on them whether they like it or not. Problems begin when one side have a saying in that and other doesnt :>

[Chrumpek]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Actually, yeah. I was tired of seeing entire teams using the thing.

Yep, now every team uses Piranha and typhoon//harrrier depending on which ultra rare they got. And when they nerf piranha eveyr team will be using reegar.

Welcome to balance, too bad its a co-op game.

[Mgamerz]

Chrumpek wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Actually, yeah. I was tired of seeing entire teams using the thing.

Yep, now every team uses Piranha and typhoon//harrrier depending on which ultra rare they got. And when they nerf piranha eveyr team will be using reegar.

Welcome to balance, too bad its a co-op game.

I love when people use the ITS CO-OP ARGUMENT.
See Borderlands with OP weapons.

[Someone With Mass]

Chrumpek wrote...

Yep, now every team uses Piranha and typhoon//harrrier depending on which ultra rare they got. And when they nerf piranha eveyr team will be using reegar.

Welcome to balance, too bad its a co-op game.

I'm seeing them a lot less than the noob-tube.

Not to mention that using the Harrier is legitimate, since it's pretty good and actually requires some skill to use and the Typhoon is only good with a few specific class characters.

While you just had to aim in the enemy's general direction to kill them all with like two shots from the Krysae.

[Felhand]

Junk? I'll have you know mine makes a fabulous pool cue.

(that being said, iv used the kyrsae ONCE and even I think it was a massive overnerf.)

[Someone With Mass]

Mgamerz wrote...
I love when people use the ITS CO-OP ARGUMENT. 
See Borderlands with OP weapons.

Yeah, it's not fun being the fifth wheel while watching people figuratively masturbate furiously over a severely overrated rifle.

[Cundu_Ertur]

Ecstatic.

[january42]

Yeah, it got falconized. Maybe it gets rebuffed a bit at some point.  The first nerf was needed, second one went to far. They should have left the ROF alone. 

Overall, I'd rather have OP guns than useless ones.  I can choose not to use OP ones if they make it less fun, but I  can use it compensate for a weaker build or player for example.  A useless gun is never fun.

[Chrumpek]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...
I love when people use the ITS CO-OP ARGUMENT. 
See Borderlands with OP weapons.

Yeah, it's not fun being the fifth wheel while watching people figuratively masturbate furiously over a severely overrated rifle.

But it is a co-op And nope nothing takes skill in this, you just point and shoot, if its harrier, falcon, particle or warp just point it and click it ;p

[Chrumpek]

january42 wrote...

Yeah, it got falconized. Maybe it gets rebuffed a bit at some point.  The first nerf was needed, second one went to far. They should have left the ROF alone. 

Overall, I'd rather have OP guns than useless ones.  I can choose not to use OP ones if they make it less fun, but I  can use it compensate for a weaker build or player for example.  A useless gun is never fun.

bullseye ~^

[Bivo]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Sick of hardcore bad kids like you.

I am actually a very nice old man playing kid games.

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

In order to have fun in the game I want it to be a challange but completable while I earn a decent ammount of in-game reward for my hard work. Right now we got:
Bronze -> Super Easy but microscopic reward =/= fun
Silver -> Easy but tiny reward =/= fun
Gold -> Getting their difficulty and mediocre reward =/= fun
Platinum -> Somehow easier than Gold but harder than Silver. Wait wtf? High ass reward =/= fun

You sure hate ME3 multiplayer.

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

So erm yea telling everyone to go play Bronze to obtain "fun" isn't really a good response at all.

Seems like some here are complaining about alleged increasing difficulty.
Seems like some other think facerolling with a Nasty Krysae Plasma Exterminator of Doom X is more fun than having to make loadout choices.
Bronze for fun and FBWGG for credits are the best answer to their problems.

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

Also a game with 4 useable loadouts sucks? I mean seriously then instead of getting every single last thing nerfed causing that to happen shouldn't we want buffs?

Buffs happen too. GodlessPaladin made a detailed post about past balance changes (unless it was RedJohn, don't remember).
Yet we could get more of them, I would be glad to use a Scimitar without instantly regreting the Piranha, but until now we got more weapon buffs than nerfs.

[Mgamerz]

Chrumpek wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...
I love when people use the ITS CO-OP ARGUMENT. 
See Borderlands with OP weapons.

Yeah, it's not fun being the fifth wheel while watching people figuratively masturbate furiously over a severely overrated rifle.

But it is a co-op And nope nothing takes skill in this, you just point and shoot, if its harrier, falcon, particle or warp just point it and click it ;p

As opposed to every other shooter in existence.

Modifié par Mgamerz, 14 août 2012 - 03:03 .

[Chrumpek]

Mgamerz wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Someone With Mass wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...
I love when people use the ITS CO-OP ARGUMENT. 
See Borderlands with OP weapons.

Yeah, it's not fun being the fifth wheel while watching people figuratively masturbate furiously over a severely overrated rifle.

But it is a co-op And nope nothing takes skill in this, you just point and shoot, if its harrier, falcon, particle or warp just point it and click it ;p

As opposed to every other shooter in existence.

Well yea, kinda, in CSS if I don't aim perfectly for head im gonna go down in a sec. Here enemies stand in place and wait for you to aim at their huge heads :> Also abilities have auto track and damage is equal to every part of enemy body accept the head

[Stranee]

Are people happy that the Kyrsae is now junk status?

Yes. The blow-up-everything-without-really-aiming sniper rifle is dead. Hallelujah.

[Binary_Helix 1]

Someone With Mass wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Yep, now every team uses Piranha and typhoon//harrrier depending on which ultra rare they got. And when they nerf piranha eveyr team will be using reegar.

Welcome to balance, too bad its a co-op game.

I'm seeing them a lot less than the noob-tube.

Not to mention that using the Harrier is legitimate, since it's pretty good and actually requires some skill to use and the Typhoon is only good with a few specific class characters.

While you just had to aim in the enemy's general direction to kill them all with like two shots from the Krysae.

I'm seeing a lot more Piranhas to be honest. They've become to go to weapon of ME3. Most of the combat occurs at close to mid range and it's perfect for that unlike Reegar or Krysae. With the latter turning off some for it's required scope usage.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 14 août 2012 - 03:11 .

[Killahead]

I've actually just tried this gun once. Minutes after Rebellion was made available, I took it for a spin using my newly acquired MQI. I quickly found out that the gun was no fun at all, blowing up enemies so fast that nothing actually posed a threat to me. After a while it was dominating gold lobbies, and even though I chose to never use the gun again myself, games became boring because everyone else was. Then came the nerf, then a second nerf. I no longer see this gun in gold and platinum lobbies, and that tells me that they perhaps overdid it with the last nerf. I'm all for buffing it a bit if it is as horrible as some say it is now.

[Bivo]

Chrumpek wrote...

Bivo wrote...

Chrumpek wrote...

Bivo wrote...

superstan2310 wrote...

Eventually we will get to the point where everything is a pile of **** thanks to nerfing.

Relatively to what ?

To enemies, their health, armor and damage stays the same//gets increased.

So they will still kill you with 2-4 hits on plat and you will take 2 clips to down a geth hutner :>

I am not in the mood to discuss the merits of Gear (like spamming five more grenades once in a while), compared to minimal health increases for ennemies.
A word of advice : play bronze. Lots of fun, every gun is fabulous.

If your not in the mood to discuss, then stay away from it instead of posting questions and poking other posts.

Ok so let me fix it :

Alleged increased difficulty has been broadly discussed on this forum, is a bit technical, and is off topic here.

Whatever, bronze is still an option if you find the game too hard. Have fun.

[Catastrophy]

OP: It's all the same to me, I just don't like the way it works and feels, so I don't use it.
And that's because of those ultra-slow projectiles - I'd rather pick a Kishok or a Demolisher if I want to get the Krysae's job done.

[RiflemanUK]

I think I've seen 1 person use the Kyrsae in the last 3 weeks, that's balance according to some.

There were other ways to nerf it like cutting the splash damage and just having it stagger instead but that would require actual thought and not just changing every value for an easy fix.

Modifié par RiflemanUK, 14 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[Someone With Mass]

Chrumpek wrote...
Well yea, kinda, in CSS if I don't aim perfectly for head im gonna go down in a sec. Here enemies stand in place and wait for you to aim at their huge heads :> Also abilities have auto track and damage is equal to every part of enemy body accept the head

You're still pointing and shooting.