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[Wereparrot]

I don't really agree with any DLC, whether it be day 1 or half a century later like Skyrim. What about the people who, for whatever reason, don't have internet connection? Ultimate, complete or GOTY editions aren't always released.

I don't care enough to boycott it though. I've always been sceptical about this sort of thing. And btw, has anyone ever thought that Bioware intended to release the EC anyway, regardless of the response to the game?

[AlanC9]

What percentage of gamers don't have broadband these days? I'm not even certain you need it at home-- a USB stick works fine for DA:O, but I don't know about ME3. Hell, dial-up worked fine for me when I downloaded Shale.

At some point a company shouldn't worry about customers who are behind the times.

[stonbw1]

Day one DLC burns me up when it is clear that the content was removed from the base game. An example I encountered recently was Arkham City where there was significant characters AND map areas that were evident, but you couldn't access without paying more. That's a bit much. Additional stuff, though, (Javik, Omega), I understand.

[Adanu]

Don't speak for me, and you can rant all you want.

For the millionth time, if day one DLC is good, I'm happy with it. From Ashes was awesome. You people need to grow up and see reality.

[Feanor_II]

Seeing how people in this forums are willing to pay for a "beard pack" or "extended LI cutscenes" I think Bioware or EA or whoeve..... knows pretty well wath they are doing

[Forsythia]

The sales numbers justify the business practice because people want a complete game on day 1.

[Sergeant Dre]

You are wrong, Knights of the Old Republic DID have DLC.

Therefore your argument is invalid

[oldag07]

Lets beat a dead horse.

[RukiaKuchki]

No one is forcing you to purchase anything. If you don't agree with DLC, you simply don't buy it. I want more content and of course I would like it to be free of charge...but games are a luxury item that cost an awful lot of money to produce. If you want to indulge in a luxury past time, you must expect to pay for the work that has gone into it. Bioware/EA are not a charity, they have no moral or legal obligation to appease you. They are a business, and I certainly don't begrudge them wanted to make money...as that is what most businesses aim to do!

[oldag07]

From the Ashes was originally supposed to be Collector Edition only material. The creators decided to allow all players to have the opportunity to play it. Sounds fair to me.

[Tipsyfresh]

AlanC9 wrote...

What percentage of gamers don't have broadband these days? I'm not even certain you need it at home-- a USB stick works fine for DA:O, but I don't know about ME3. Hell, dial-up worked fine for me when I downloaded Shale.

At some point a company shouldn't worry about customers who are behind the times.

Hah yea only worry about them buying your product. Then Forget them.


Dlc is a Ripoff,
Day one dlc is just blatantly ripping you off,who cares about testing and whatever other schedules- if the product isn't finished (medicine, food, cars, clothes, video games) then don't sell it. 
And an article about profit margins and other numbers to justify day one dlc is contrived and manipulative, really, we charge you extra now  because we might not be able to charge you later.
 Omfg Starchild wrote the article!

This whole thing  is really amusing,  also sad because video games are cool and unique forms of art.  Hha dlc for Mona Lisa out Aug 21st

Modifié par Tipsyfresh, 14 août 2012 - 05:22 .

[Wereparrot]

AlanC9 wrote...

What percentage of gamers don't have broadband these days? I'm not even certain you need it at home-- a USB stick works fine for DA:O, but I don't know about ME3. Hell, dial-up worked fine for me when I downloaded Shale.

At some point a company shouldn't worry about customers who are behind the times.

Oh I don't mean a connection in generral: I mean that the console in question isn't connected.

Anyway, I'm not sure that justifies it. If I buy a car, I'd rather not have to buy the passenger seats as optional extras. A different thing, perhaps, buit the point's the same: both passenger seats and DLC are improvements to the main product.

[Tipsyfresh]

oldag07 wrote...

From the Ashes was originally supposed to be Collector Edition only material. The creators decided to allow all players to have the opportunity to play it. Sounds fair to me.

Ha what? Javik is the only character that gives you a clear way to nderstand the ending of ME3. Like seriously, all the way down to mirroring starchild's statements. You won't even understand destroy completely if you don't listen to Javik. Yes very fair. 

And if you don't believe me I will spell it out for u cuz I'm bored.

[MajorKellyRisner]

To be honest, I agree with the post here. True, I liked From the Ashes but, to add that but not add or cut missing content to the main game for only to "add" for DLC content? That is what I dislike. True, Lotsb was great, and Leviathan looks great, but what happened to games that had everything done and not buggy or glitchy and didn't require dlc content? Like Mechwarrior, Starsiege, Call of Duty (The first ones), and etc.

True the games I mentioned aren't Biowares, but the point is this: Cut or missing content of the original game to be made into DLC ruins some elements of the story and game. But by having everything done then adding DLCs is a much better idea.

[bydoritos]

SP2219 wrote...
Your customers simply do not want it.  Threfore you should not give it to them.

For the millionth time, it is that simple.


 

"your customers do not want it!"

 even though that we don't like when they create Day one DLC (like the prothean DLC for ME3) majority of people will still buy it anyway.
I mean, do you remember the topic that Michael Gamble had opened here at BSN explaining the Day one DLC for ME3,  remember that a lot of people were saying that they wouldn't buy the game anymore. In the same week that ME3 had launched, a lot of those people had already registered a ME3 copy on their account.
 so yes, we don't like when they do that, but we are still buying, and while we keep buying they'll keep making.

Modifié par bydoritos, 14 août 2012 - 05:46 .

[Tipsyfresh]

@bydori

Ur right people buy it because they are fans and they want the whole experience. That doesn't justify a company or industry taking advantage of them and willingly participating in a product scam.

Edit: people get hungry, let's sell some rotten food because they're gonna eat it anyway.  People need to fly, ok let's not really worry about our pilots getting enough rest and crashing because people are still gona fly anyway.

I don't know, people have put up with this dlc mess for so long as well as other manipulation of video game fans, that maybe its hopeless to want decent industry practices now.  I'd accept fewer games being made if that meant I'd be getting full/complete games that I would be happy to replay ( not forced to keep cuz I got duped into buying a worthless CE of something)

Modifié par Tipsyfresh, 14 août 2012 - 05:32 .

[Merci357]

SP2219 wrote...

 Your customers simply do not want it.  Threfore you should not give it to them.

For the millionth time, it is that simple.
 

Please, don't pretend you speak for anyone, but yourself.

Sure, Day 1 DLC is somewhat shady. Still, if I enjoy a game a lot, I'm happy if there is additional content available - right now, and not long after I've finished a particular game and moved on.
Yes, maybe it could have been part of the main game. I'd like that, but I'm well aware that AAA games cost far more to produce then a decade ago, the games itself for us customers do not.

Modifié par Merci357, 14 août 2012 - 05:35 .

[Outamyhead]

I think this should be more directed at EA, seeing as they are doing that with everything they are releasing lately, Crysis 3 is a perfect example. Gameplay shows the bow for most of the demo footage, and at the end it states if you pre-order, you will get the bow on day 1 DLC (nice troll EA *golf clap*).

So yeah I feel sorry for Bioware really, although that's the price you pay when you make a deal with the devil, and history has shown what happens to the developers that made the same deal with the very same devil.

EA is just exploiting the fans of the franchises, some people will run out and buy/pre-order with the aim of getting all the DLC, a few will wait for the price to fall.  I will not play through again until all the DLC is made available, which I have no doubt there are at least 4 more SP driven DLC's to come.  although your asking a lot for existing owners to remain interested until all the DLC is out, I think it was just over a year before ME2 DLC was completed with Arrival.

[bydoritos]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

@bydori

Ur right people buy it because they are fans and they want the whole experience. That doesn't justify a company or industry taking advantage of them and willingly participating in a product scam.

Edit: people get hungry, let's sell some rotten food because they're gonna eat it anyway.  People need to fly, ok let's not really worry about our pilots getting enough rest and crashing because people are still gona fly anyway.

I don't know, people have put up with this dlc mess for so long as well as other manipulation of video game fans, that maybe its hopeless to want decent industry practices now.  I'd accept fewer games being made if that meant I'd be getting full/complete games that I would be happy to replay ( not forced to keep cuz I got duped into buying a worthless CE of something)

You should tell this to capcom.
No it does not justify, but if we keep buying they're gonna keep making.
Day one DLC like the prothean it's not something very consumer friendly, but if people are willing to buy it, well, they gonna keep making.
But I think that we should not be so negative about every DLC. 
the leviathan, I think that's the right way of making DLC, it's post launched, and they are giving us enough
information that should help us make the decision of buying or not.

Modifié par bydoritos, 14 août 2012 - 05:48 .

[Tipsyfresh]

scyphozoa wrote...

This is something the game industry is going to have to grow through. Clearly there are many customers unable or unwilling to understand the reasoning behind DLC, even when it is explained to them in no uncertain terms.

The fact is, if you value content enough to want to play it, then you should value it enough to pay for it. The argument that content made after the vanilla game has gone gold should be included for free is just deliberately ignoring the fact that the salaries of artists and programmers need to be paid during the time between when the vanilla game goes gold and when the game launches at retail.

Still, it is Bioware's responsibility to continually improve and tweak their distribution. If there is so much negativity towards Day 1 DLC, even from the same people who buy it, then it is Bioware's job to find a way to deliver that content and make their profits without pissing off their fans..as much.

(it is inevitable that anything will always ****** off some people)

Name one other industry where companies can add to their product after purchase

[SteamPunkJin]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

scyphozoa wrote...

This is something the game industry is going to have to grow through. Clearly there are many customers unable or unwilling to understand the reasoning behind DLC, even when it is explained to them in no uncertain terms.

The fact is, if you value content enough to want to play it, then you should value it enough to pay for it. The argument that content made after the vanilla game has gone gold should be included for free is just deliberately ignoring the fact that the salaries of artists and programmers need to be paid during the time between when the vanilla game goes gold and when the game launches at retail.

Still, it is Bioware's responsibility to continually improve and tweak their distribution. If there is so much negativity towards Day 1 DLC, even from the same people who buy it, then it is Bioware's job to find a way to deliver that content and make their profits without pissing off their fans..as much.

(it is inevitable that anything will always ****** off some people)

Name one other industry where companies can add to their product after purchase

Any higher end media items. TVs and Blu Ray players don't come with all the cords they need, you have to buy
them separately (and that effects baseline fucntionality, not an addition like DLC). Cars have the same thing actually, you can buy the base model or you can go in for 'extra features' that some people might think should be included in ANY car. Even smaller items such as printers lack the basic cables or decent supply of ink straight out of the box.

[Sanunes]

Outamyhead wrote...

I think this should be more directed at EA, seeing as they are doing that with everything they are releasing lately, Crysis 3 is a perfect example. Gameplay shows the bow for most of the demo footage, and at the end it states if you pre-order, you will get the bow on day 1 DLC (nice troll EA *golf clap*).

So yeah I feel sorry for Bioware really, although that's the price you pay when you make a deal with the devil, and history has shown what happens to the developers that made the same deal with the very same devil.

EA is just exploiting the fans of the franchises, some people will run out and buy/pre-order with the aim of getting all the DLC, a few will wait for the price to fall.  I will not play through again until all the DLC is made available, which I have no doubt there are at least 4 more SP driven DLC's to come.  although your asking a lot for existing owners to remain interested until all the DLC is out, I think it was just over a year before ME2 DLC was completed with Arrival.

I always thought BioWare was sold to EA, not that they willingly merged with them, for they were part of Microsoft with Mass Effect 1 and they merged with another company before that becauase they needed money for Mass Effect 1.  I could be wrong, but that was always my understanding.

[Tipsyfresh]

I wonder if people who"defend dlc" don't mind me waiting til a version that includes everything comes out.

You are at a loss because you bought it first? And I got all dlc for free in ME2, except arrival, because ps3 got it late or something idk. What does this say about that priceless content. I mean if four sp dlcs come out for ME3 that's another 40 dollars I'll pay on top of the 70 dollar ME copy and a 25 dollar crappy guide. I don't do numbers but I know I paid for a game 2x some where inthere. You really think its worth it. If so awesome, but I don't and I act according( don't buy games or dlc).

Plus 4 3 hour addons is what 12 hours for 40 dollars? The original game can be 60 hrs, why would I think this is a good deal?

[Sanunes]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Plus 4 3 hour addons is what 12 hours for 40 dollars? The original game can be 60 hrs, why would I think this is a good deal?

I remember reading that some people beat the main game in 20 hours, so thats $60 for 20 hours, so that is about the same isn't it?