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[King Cousland]

Wimbini wrote...
I would personally prefer it if they made no/less romances and instead made the plot and story stronger in their games. But that is just my opinion .
Chris might not like writing romances but what he does write extremely well are stories. If you have played the games he worked on you know what i mean.

What leads you to think that the two are mutually exclusive? I haven't seen anything that indicates a romance element weakens a plot. If anything, it can add depth (eg, would you think harder about selling elves into slavery if you were romancing Zevran, or would you be more or less likely to crown Alistair if he was your lover?)

[Zeroth Angel]

King Cousland wrote...

Wimbini wrote...
I would personally prefer it if they made no/less romances and instead made the plot and story stronger in their games. But that is just my opinion .
Chris might not like writing romances but what he does write extremely well are stories. If you have played the games he worked on you know what i mean.

What leads you to think that the two are mutually exclusive? I haven't seen anything that indicates a romance element weakens a plot. If anything, it can add depth (eg, would you think harder about selling elves into slavery if you were romancing Zevran, or would you be more or less likely to crown Alistair if he was your lover?)

Well if the writers don't need to work on romances they have more time to work on other stuff.
Besides, Orgins romances were not actually bad because that game had an alright story and well written characters. So concerning Origins you're right.
However DA2 was their latest installement and i found most romances in that game not so impressive. 

[brushyourteeth]

Can anyone who knows for sure please tell me how we know that the Inquisitor symbol found in DAII is definitely an Inquisitor symbol and not something else - like the symbol for the new order of Templars and Seekers that broke from the Chantry?

If it's the actual name of the file or if it's just speculation I would LOVE to know. Thanks!

[Annie_Dear]

Greg Ellis posted on Twitter that he's doing some voice sessions as Cullen for DA3.

It doesn't prove anything, but you know what? I think this survey might be true.

[Zeroth Angel]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Wimbini wrote...

King Cousland wrote...

Wimbini wrote...
I would personally prefer it if they made no/less romances and instead made the plot and story stronger in their games. But that is just my opinion .
Chris might not like writing romances but what he does write extremely well are stories. If you have played the games he worked on you know what i mean.

What leads you to think that the two are mutually exclusive? I haven't seen anything that indicates a romance element weakens a plot. If anything, it can add depth (eg, would you think harder about selling elves into slavery if you were romancing Zevran, or would you be more or less likely to crown Alistair if he was your lover?)

Well if the writers don't need to work on romances they have more time to work on other stuff.
Besides, Orgins romances were not actually bad because that game had an alright story and well written characters. So concerning Origins you're right.
However DA2 was their latest installement and i found most romances in that game not so impressive. 

Romances are part of what sets Bioware games apart. If they start dropping things that make them unique then why even play their games?

For a good story?
They won't though. After all a big amount od their fanbase love the romances in their games.
Just curious, what is your opinion on the DA2 romances?

Modifié par Wimbini, 17 août 2012 - 07:09 .

[TamiBx]

Annie_Dear wrote...

Greg Ellis posted on Twitter that he's doing some voice sessions as Cullen for DA3.

It doesn't prove anything, but you know what? I think this survey might be true.

It proves that they have at least some of the lines written, which is a good thing. 
I'm starting to get really excited. 

[Shades_Of_Pale]

TamiBx wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Greg Ellis posted on Twitter that he's doing some voice sessions as Cullen for DA3.

It doesn't prove anything, but you know what? I think this survey might be true.

It proves that they have at least some of the lines written, which is a good thing. 
I'm starting to get really excited. 

I screamed haha, then everyone around me stared!

[Earthborn_Shepard]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Wimbini wrote...
For a good story?
They won't though. After all a big amount od their fanbase love the romances in their games.
Just curious, what is your opinion on the DA2 romances?

I wasn't a fan overall.
Merrill seemed like fanservice since she was morphed into a cutesy goof between Origins and DA2. And her most dynamic character moments have nothing to do with the romance so it feels irrelevant. She's just a girlfriend.
Fenris is a weak character overall and is also just fanservice IMO, so his romance is pretty weak too. They tried way too hard to make him... I don't know, pissy. He's just pissy all the time, even when you're romancing him.
Anders forces you to treat him like a freak to turn down his advances even if you never initiated a romance, and that really made me mad. You can't just go "No thanks, I'm not interested." You have to be all mean about it and then he's pissy like Fenris.
Isabela was probably my favorite character to romance. Her character can actually be changed through the romance so it feels important.
I wanted to romance Aveline and they even give you the romance dialogue options so I was very disappointed that you couldn't. Why even give those dialogue options? She doesn't even acknowledge that you're into her iirc.

But the overall story of DA2 was a mess because IMO because of the approach they took and the story they wanted to tell. I don't think removing the romances would have the story stronger.

Am I the only one on BSN who actually prefers the story of DA2 to that of DAO? I found the Origins story pretty weak to be honest. Sure, the wardens were cool, but otherwise it was just the good old "kill the evil monsters" routine. DA2 might not have felt as epic, but it made me feel way closer to the protagonist.

About the romances: I agree about Anders and Merril. I don't think there's any character I was more indifferent about then Merril. I just don't care about her at all. In real life, I would hate her. And Anders was always.. I don't know.. I actually find him repulsive, and I can't really say why. 
I love Fenris though. I know he's just a big bunch of fanservice and technically a really cliche character, but dat voice. And at least he has a complex backstory. I like Isabella too, but she's not really romance material to me. Friends with benefits, fine, but not more.

I wasn't too happy with the romances in DAO either though.

[Wrathion]

BrotherWarth wrote...


Merrill seemed like fanservice since she was morphed into a cutesy goof between Origins and DA2. And her most dynamic character moments have nothing to do with the romance so it feels irrelevant. She's just a girlfriend.
Fenris is a weak character overall and is also just fanservice IMO, so his romance is pretty weak too. They tried way too hard to make him... I don't know, pissy. He's just pissy all the time, even when you're romancing him.
Anders forces you to treat him like a freak to turn down his advances even if you never initiated a romance, and that really made me mad. You can't just go "No thanks, I'm not interested." You have to be all mean about it and then he's pissy like Fenris.

What to everything.

[dheer]

I have nothing to highlight.

Sigh. Please don't be set in stone. Was hoping for some choice of race this time for my pc. Forced into being an inquisitor sounds like another Maker loving human. Playing a Dalish elf or Dwarf was much more interesting.

With luck the mages and templars have all killed each other so we can move on to something new and intriguing.

[TamiBx]

dheer wrote...

I have nothing to highlight.

Sigh. Please don't be set in stone. Was hoping for some choice of race this time for my pc. Forced into being an inquisitor sounds like another Maker loving human. Playing a Dalish elf or Dwarf was much more interesting.

With luck the mages and templars have all killed each other so we can move on to something new and intriguing.

Like Darkspawns and its origins? 

I swear DA2 should've been a spin off...but I just see it as a bridge between "awesomeness" and "greatness" 

[Zeroth Angel]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Wimbini wrote...
For a good story?
They won't though. After all a big amount od their fanbase love the romances in their games.
Just curious, what is your opinion on the DA2 romances?

I wasn't a fan overall.
Merrill seemed like fanservice since she was morphed into a cutesy goof between Origins and DA2. And her most dynamic character moments have nothing to do with the romance so it feels irrelevant. She's just a girlfriend.
Fenris is a weak character overall and is also just fanservice IMO, so his romance is pretty weak too. They tried way too hard to make him... I don't know, pissy. He's just pissy all the time, even when you're romancing him.
Anders forces you to treat him like a freak to turn down his advances even if you never initiated a romance, and that really made me mad. You can't just go "No thanks, I'm not interested." You have to be all mean about it and then he's pissy like Fenris.
Isabela was probably my favorite character to romance. Her character can actually be changed through the romance so it feels important.
I wanted to romance Aveline and they even give you the romance dialogue options so I was very disappointed that you couldn't. Why even give those dialogue options? She doesn't even acknowledge that you're into her iirc.

But the overall story of DA2 was a mess because IMO because of the approach they took and the story they wanted to tell. I don't think removing the romances would have the story stronger.

That was an interisting read. You see i personally thought that most of the romances in DA2 were bland and are just not that interesting. The ones from Origins were still okay and were much more involved in the plot but they didn't rule it.
What i was trying to say is that if they keep writing romances like those in DA2 they better don't. Just my opinion on things. 

Modifié par Wimbini, 17 août 2012 - 08:07 .

[Wrathion]

BrotherWarth wrote...

 With DA2 they basically said "**** it, they're all bisexual" and then had to constrain interactions around that decision. I'm very much opposed to making all love interests bisexual for the sheer fact that it's stupid for everyone to be so enamored by this person we're playing that their sexuality can be swung. I am bisexual, but if I were straight I don't think I would jump Hawke's bones were we of the same sex just because he's this adventurer type.

Constraining interactions? When and where? To fit companions being available to all genders...okay?


No one in game has a set sexuality, how can they be "swung". 

[Wrathion]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Alexandrine Delassixe wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

 With DA2 they basically said "**** it, they're all bisexual" and then had to constrain interactions around that decision. I'm very much opposed to making all love interests bisexual for the sheer fact that it's stupid for everyone to be so enamored by this person we're playing that their sexuality can be swung. I am bisexual, but if I were straight I don't think I would jump Hawke's bones were we of the same sex just because he's this adventurer type.

Constraining interactions? When and where? To fit companions being available to all genders...okay?


No one in game has a set sexuality, how can they be "swung". 

So everyone in Thedas is bisexual?
And the interactions were constrained because they couldn't do things like marrying Alistair or having a child with Morrigan. The romances were basically just additional scenes. They had no impact on the story.

Wait wait wait, if you're not gay or straight you HAVE to be bisexual?

How would marrying Anders or Merrill having a child helped the story? And why does the romance have to affect the story in order to be considered good? My wardens didn't marry Alistair. They didn't accept Morrigans offer most of the time. I think i'm doing Dragon Age wrong because romancing Zevran lends nothing to the overrall story. And that is bad srrybb

[Jerrybnsn]

TamiBx wrote...

dheer wrote...

I have nothing to highlight.

Sigh. Please don't be set in stone. Was hoping for some choice of race this time for my pc. Forced into being an inquisitor sounds like another Maker loving human. Playing a Dalish elf or Dwarf was much more interesting.

With luck the mages and templars have all killed each other so we can move on to something new and intriguing.

Like Darkspawns and its origins? 

I swear DA2 should've been a spin off...but I just see it as a bridge between "awesomeness" and "greatness" 

It's been almost three years since Origins was released and at least another year before the DAIII.  Four years is a long time for a true sequel.

[Ianamus]

BrotherWarth wrote...

 With DA2 they basically said "**** it, they're all bisexual" and then had to constrain interactions around that decision. I'm very much opposed to making all love interests bisexual for the sheer fact that it's stupid for everyone to be so enamored by this person we're playing that their sexuality can be swung. I am bisexual, but if I were straight I don't think I would jump Hawke's bones were we of the same sex just because he's this adventurer type.

The most important thing in any RPG is player choice, and just like Heterosexual players homosexual players should get a choice in who they  romance. In DA:O it was fantastic that Zevran and Leliana was availible for people who wanted s/s romances, but unlike a straight player you only had one choice and if you didn't like their character or preferred Alistair/Morrigan it did not matter because they were the only choice you had. 

Ideally there would be a straight LI of each gender, a bisexual LI of each gender and a homosexual LI of each gender, so that everybody got equal choice, but having 6 NPC's with full romances is a lot of work, and is not practical. 4 Bisexual LI's gives everyone as much choice as possible, while not putting too much development time into romances alone. It may not make the most sense setting-wise but things like that come second to just providing the choice that people want. I thought that Bioware was right to do that with DA:2 and I hope they do it again in the future and in Dragon Age 3. 

Modifié par EJ107, 18 août 2012 - 01:47 .

[ElitePinecone]

BrotherWarth wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Where is that from? Was the animation included in the survey?

No, that's concept art Bioware used to show off the new inventory system for followers. There was also a sword&shield Grey Warden showing off the same system.

Ah, I remember now. That looks very much like the concept art apparently used in the surve y