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[Personality Disorder]

Ericander77 wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Unrelated to the current thought processes but I'm glad the elf concept art has shoes, the whole no-shoe thing was weird.

Yes, you are right! I can't believe the writers got their way. This means little till we see an actual in-game model, however. 

after they fix the shoe thing, maybe it will become just a "weird kirkwall thing." 

Would not mind that at all, actually. 
By the way, the man in the same picture seems to be holding a polearm (or a rather weird staff) AND a sword. I understand, that this is just a concept art and might come to nothing, but other possiblities are just too tempting to pass up:

• If this is indeed a polearm that means an inclusion of a new class of weapons.
• Possibly a return of weapon swapping mechanic? (That is definitely me reading too much into this )
• The craziest possibility of all - Battle Mages that can also equip swords?

Modifié par Personality Disorder, 18 août 2012 - 10:48 .

[ladyofpayne]

I hope that man with spear is chevalier.
MAker let all 3 males will be LI. Or spear man and Warden.

[DarthChicken]

Personality Disorder wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Unrelated to the current thought processes but I'm glad the elf concept art has shoes, the whole no-shoe thing was weird.

Yes, you are right! I can't believe the writers got their way. This means little till we see an actual in-game model, however. 

after they fix the shoe thing, maybe it will become just a "weird kirkwall thing." 

• The craziest possibility of all - Battle Mages that can also equip swords?

This! If there's a chance to play a battlemage in a game, I almost always do. There are so many things that can be done with a spec like that. 

[saMoorai]

This is starting to look very interesting.

[DarthChicken]

I step away for one night and this thread blew up.

[TamiBx]

ladyofpayne wrote...

I hope that man with spear is chevalier.
MAker let all 3 males will be LI. Or spear man and Warden.

I just want Cullen (or the guy who looks like Cullen) :innocent:

And the elves...see, these are concept art; the character in game rarely looks like their concept art (have you ever seen Alistair's concept art? ) 

[LolaLei]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Unrelated to the current thought processes but I'm glad the elf concept art has shoes, the whole no-shoe thing was weird.

I very rarely wear shoes and I don't even live in nature...

Same here.

[SurrealSadi]

BrotherWarth wrote...

It seems to me that Flemeth will likely be the entity behind the scenes causing all of this. They've set the stage for her too much for her to just be a red herring.
She's been pulling the strings behind the scenes for a very long time and she obviously isn't doing it for no reason.
-She saved Alistair's father. He was obviously important to Ferelden but Alistair potentially played a larger role in her plan. What? I'll explain in detail.
-She saved Hawke. What possible reason could there have been...?
-She saved the Warden and Alistair, paired them with Morrigan and set them on the path to end the Blight before it even really started. Why? I'm getting there...
-She spelled out exactly what Morrigan needed to do to create an Old God baby. She knew Morrigan would have to go to the Circle tower and would potentially find her journal. But that journal was just the beginning of the equation. Morrigan had to confront Flemeth to be confident of her survival and get the full journal that made everything clear. So why? To all of this?

Flemeth has sort of prognostication abilities. That much is clear. Alistair had to be born to potentially sire the Old God baby so Flemeth had to save his father. She had to save the Warden and Alistair to get Morrigan paired with them. She needed them to act quickly to get to the Circle tower while it was in chaos so Morrigan could get her hands on the black journal. They had to survive to further her plan so the blight had to be ended. She saved Hawke because he sets Anders on the path to destroying the Kirkwall Chantry and sparking the war. The more desperate mages, the more they'll turn to the fade(demons/spirits) and the more the mages enter/use the fade the weaker the veil gets. Once the veil is so damaged that she can rupture it completely she will somehow use the Old God baby(at this point a likely impressionable preteen boy) to cause the change she desires. Merging the fade with the material world to create a new world? Making everyone a mage? Recreating the world to be ruled over by herself or maybe by dragons? Who knows? It could be anything, but it's definitely something.

Here's the thing. Gaider has stated, many times, that the Old God Baby is NOT Canon.

[BioFan (Official)]

DarthChicken wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

Personality Disorder wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Unrelated to the current thought processes but I'm glad the elf concept art has shoes, the whole no-shoe thing was weird.

Yes, you are right! I can't believe the writers got their way. This means little till we see an actual in-game model, however. 

after they fix the shoe thing, maybe it will become just a "weird kirkwall thing." 

• The craziest possibility of all - Battle Mages that can also equip swords?

This! If there's a chance to play a battlemage in a game, I almost always do. There are so many things that can be done with a spec like that. 

i support this!!

[BioFan (Official)]

BrotherWarth wrote...

It seems to me that Flemeth will likely be the entity behind the scenes causing all of this. They've set the stage for her too much for her to just be a red herring.
She's been pulling the strings behind the scenes for a very long time and she obviously isn't doing it for no reason.
-She saved Alistair's father. He was obviously important to Ferelden but Alistair potentially played a larger role in her plan. What? I'll explain in detail.
-She saved Hawke. What possible reason could there have been...?
-She saved the Warden and Alistair, paired them with Morrigan and set them on the path to end the Blight before it even really started. Why? I'm getting there...
-She spelled out exactly what Morrigan needed to do to create an Old God baby. She knew Morrigan would have to go to the Circle tower and would potentially find her journal. But that journal was just the beginning of the equation. Morrigan had to confront Flemeth to be confident of her survival and get the full journal that made everything clear. So why? To all of this?

Flemeth has sort of prognostication abilities. That much is clear. Alistair had to be born to potentially sire the Old God baby so Flemeth had to save his father. She had to save the Warden and Alistair to get Morrigan paired with them. She needed them to act quickly to get to the Circle tower while it was in chaos so Morrigan could get her hands on the black journal. They had to survive to further her plan so the blight had to be ended. She saved Hawke because he sets Anders on the path to destroying the Kirkwall Chantry and sparking the war. The more desperate mages, the more they'll turn to the fade(demons/spirits) and the more the mages enter/use the fade the weaker the veil gets. Once the veil is so damaged that she can rupture it completely she will somehow use the Old God baby(at this point a likely impressionable preteen boy) to cause the change she desires. Merging the fade with the material world to create a new world? Making everyone a mage? Recreating the world to be ruled over by herself or maybe by dragons? Who knows? It could be anything, but it's definitely something.

that is exactly what i was about to post. i wonder if flemeth saving the protagonist towards the beginning of the game will be a common theme, and if she will save the inqisitor. 

[saMoorai]

Ericander77 wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

It seems to me that Flemeth will likely be the entity behind the scenes causing all of this. They've set the stage for her too much for her to just be a red herring.
She's been pulling the strings behind the scenes for a very long time and she obviously isn't doing it for no reason.
-She saved Alistair's father. He was obviously important to Ferelden but Alistair potentially played a larger role in her plan. What? I'll explain in detail.
-She saved Hawke. What possible reason could there have been...?
-She saved the Warden and Alistair, paired them with Morrigan and set them on the path to end the Blight before it even really started. Why? I'm getting there...
-She spelled out exactly what Morrigan needed to do to create an Old God baby. She knew Morrigan would have to go to the Circle tower and would potentially find her journal. But that journal was just the beginning of the equation. Morrigan had to confront Flemeth to be confident of her survival and get the full journal that made everything clear. So why? To all of this?

Flemeth has sort of prognostication abilities. That much is clear. Alistair had to be born to potentially sire the Old God baby so Flemeth had to save his father. She had to save the Warden and Alistair to get Morrigan paired with them. She needed them to act quickly to get to the Circle tower while it was in chaos so Morrigan could get her hands on the black journal. They had to survive to further her plan so the blight had to be ended. She saved Hawke because he sets Anders on the path to destroying the Kirkwall Chantry and sparking the war. The more desperate mages, the more they'll turn to the fade(demons/spirits) and the more the mages enter/use the fade the weaker the veil gets. Once the veil is so damaged that she can rupture it completely she will somehow use the Old God baby(at this point a likely impressionable preteen boy) to cause the change she desires. Merging the fade with the material world to create a new world? Making everyone a mage? Recreating the world to be ruled over by herself or maybe by dragons? Who knows? It could be anything, but it's definitely something.

that is exactly what i was about to post. i wonder if flemeth saving the protagonist towards the beginning of the game will be a common theme, and if she will save the inqisitor. 

Maybe Flemeth will save the Inq. from that explosion.

[MysticalMage]

I think all of this info sounds pretty awesome (if it really is true)! But what I really want to know is if the main character would start out as an inquisitor right at the beginning, or if he/she would be invited or forced into it due to certain events like with the warden of DA:O?

[Brockololly]

[quote]Annie_Dear wrote...
Also, am I the only one who thinks the two possible mages in the third picture look way too similar?[/quote]

Yeah, I noticed that. I wonder if:
- They're of the same organization and that's they're uniform,
- Or maybe its the same character but its a male/female version. So BioWare is making their gender dependent on the player character- along the lines of having Bethany/Carver live/die based on the class of Hawke.

[quote]SamaraDraven wrote...

That last one does look like Cullen
to me, but it looks like someone took a shot from DAII and pasted onto
the artwork. The others all have a face that fits the style they're
drawn in but not him. *ponders*[/quote]

The concept art is likely just concept art for the armor/clothing. I've seen that type of concept art before, where they take an existing actor's face and just have it photoshopped in with a drawn design around it. Makes sense if they're not mucking around with the face but focusing instead on the clothing.

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
"A portal between the worlds unleashes hords of demons in the land,
civil wars rip apart nations and the corruption is limitless. Someone is
behind the shadows, drawing the threads which destroy the world. Time
has come for the Inquisition.[/quote]
Honestly this sounds like a retread of Origins, just on a bigger scale. Repace the portal unleashing demons (ugh) with darkspawn pouring out from the earth; replace Ferelden's civil war with multiple civil wars.

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Take the Inquisitor's cloak and
lead the only force able of bringing light into the darkness. [/quote]
Cloaks confirmed for DA3.

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
Choose the
direct method and gather your armies, send spies into the shadows or
engage in a political war, make friends and use your connections
indirectly: it is up to you how you lead the inquisition. [/quote]
All right, this sounds cool. If its actually some kind of more open ended way to approach the game, thats very cool. Almost like a Total War/ Crusader Kings type world map to orchestrate things, to provide a grander strategy approach, that would be awesome.

But ever since DA2's blatantly false "rise to power by any means necessary" marketing speak, color me skeptical if the actual execution comes close to being as promising as this sounds. And I can't help but think the whole "make friends and use your connections indirectly" is one step away from some sort of lame facebook/social aspect to the game. Or that all that stuff will end up being as pointless as the War Assets in ME3.


[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Also, a few things I remembered from the questions (the ones about what possible elements of DA3 you would prefer):

- online/coop modus (really Bioware? Because that worked so well with ME3? :/ )[/quote]
Please god no. Waste of time. And it would inevitably be bloated with microtransaction BS.

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
- special finishing moves[/quote]
They never should have been removed in the first place.


[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
- a lot of crucial decisions
- drama and suspense[/quote]
Of course.

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
- player-controlled day/night modus[/quote]
If by player controlled they mean having the ability to rest or simply fast forward time ( like Skyrim or The Witcher) with an existing day/night cycle then cool. If its DA2's lame day/night thing...no. Just have a day/night cycle Its 2012 BioWare, it shouldn't be that difficult.

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
- better party management[/quote]
This better mean a vastly superior camera

[quote]Earthborn_Shepard wrote...
- 4 companions at a time[/quote]
As in player character plus 4 companions? Yes, thats good. Provided the combat isn't a total cluster **** like DA2 and you can adequately control your companions and use them tactically in combat via pause and play.

[Reznore57]

The two mages may be just an artwork for the pc.
A male and female version , as an Inquisitor , we may begin with a shiny armor and not looking like peon.

[LolaLei]

Reznore57 wrote...

The two mages may be just an artwork for the pc.
A male and female version , as an Inquisitor , we may begin with a shiny armor and not looking like peon.

I'd say that if those two mages are the new male/female protagonist then the outfit they're wearing will probably be the default clothing that they start the game in. The hooded outfit looks very rogue-ish even on a mage... Makes me wonder if we will start out life "on the wrong side of the tracks" (life of crime) or avoiding someone/something, thus the dark colours and hood to hide his/her face.

... Actually come to think of it, that outfit works well for the protagonist introduction/origin (especially if we get class origins) because the mage protagonist could be wearing his/her hood up to prevent facial recogniton due to whatever it is that would draw attention to him/her.

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 août 2012 - 02:04 .

[BioFan (Official)]

LolaLei wrote...

Reznore57 wrote...

The two mages may be just an artwork for the pc.
A male and female version , as an Inquisitor , we may begin with a shiny armor and not looking like peon.

I say that if those two mages are the new male/female protagonist then the outfit they're wearing will probably be what they start out wearing. The hooded outfit looks very rogue-ish even on a mage... Makes me wonder if we will start out life "on the wrong side of the tracks" (life of crime) or avoiding someone/something, thus the dark colours and hood to hide his/her face.

... Actually come to think of it, that outfit works well for the protagonist introduction/origin (especially if we get class origins) because the mage protagonist could be wearing his/her hood up to prevent facial recogniton due to whatever it is that would draw attention to him/her.

i like the male/female version of a NPC theory better. depending on something you choose you'll get the gooded guy ro the hooded girl. I want the Protagonist to look a little bit more epic than that. 

or evil twins. that's always good too. 

[LolaLei]

Ericander: I quite like the idea of the protagonist being a little rough around the edges, dressing in that outfit to go out and fight or steal from rich nobles LOL! They could even be dressed like that because in those two pictures they're mages so they don't want to wear anything brightly coloured to draw attention to themselves around Templars and folk that are on the Templars side.

[Ianamus]

Reznore57 wrote...

The two mages may be just an artwork for the pc.
A male and female version , as an Inquisitor , we may begin with a shiny armor and not looking like peon.

I think this could be right. I re-read some of the earlier linked slides and it simply states "please indicated how much you like the following character designs" which is fairly ambiguous. I'm surprised they defaulted them to mages though, although I suppose they did the same with Hawke and lightning-hands have a coolness appeal. 

Not sure about starting in the armor though. I don't want a DA:2 where you start after the disaster has happened, I want to play through the chantry headquarters being destroyed. Considering you essentially run the order it would make sense for you to be there.

[BioFan (Official)]

LolaLei wrote...

Ericander: I quite like the idea of the protagonist being a little rough around the edges, dressing in that outfit to go out and fight or steal from rich nobles LOL! They could even be dressed like that because in those two pictures they're mages so they don't want to wear anything brightly coloured to draw attention to themselves around Templars and folk that are on the Templars side.

just noticed that one appers to be left handed, and the other right. 

[BioFan (Official)]

Does anyone know if game companies finish the game before or after they have the voice actors come in?

[LolaLei]

Ericander77 wrote...

Does anyone know if game companies finish the game before or after they have the voice actors come in?

Apparently it varies from company to company. Thinking about it I could imagine Bioware recording the lines first so that they can base the mood, ambience and facial expressions in the scenes around the way the VO delivers their dialogue. 

Modifié par LolaLei, 19 août 2012 - 02:30 .

[BioFan (Official)]

LolaLei wrote...

Ericander77 wrote...

Does anyone know if game companies finish the game before or after they have the voice actors come in?

Apparently it varies from company to company. Thinking about it I could imagine Bioware recording the lines first so that they can base the mood, ambience and facial expressions in the scenes around the way the VO delivers their dialogue. 

who knows. i guess we'll get that answer depending on when a for-realzies announcement comes.