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[Earthborn_Shepard]

Emzamination wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

Annie_Dear wrote...

Emzamination wrote...

esper wrote...

I hope, hope, hope, this is not true. Inquestioner holds a very loaded meaning both in game and in real world and the though of going a whole game with people calling me that makes me feel very badly.
If thi turn out to be true, da3 will really be my last dragon age game :-(

THE INQUISITION HAS BEGUN!!!!

Wait, are these supposed to be suggestions of names? As in names for the game?

If so, boy are they bad.

I chose Dragon age: the inquisiton :innocent:

I still think "The Breach" is awesome.. though it makes you wonder WHAT exactly is breaching

Maybe a breach in the fade?

That's actually a possibility.. if you think about how the fade was being shoved in our faces in both games..

[Earthborn_Shepard]

LolaLei wrote...

I can barely read them on my phone. What are the name options?

Exarch
Inquisition
The Breach
Inquisitor
Apocrypha

[brushyourteeth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

If DA3 forces you to play as a part of the New Inquisition, you're forced to be anti-Mage. You're either a pro-Chantry/pro-****themages character, or a Chantry Loyalist.

I'm honestly disappointed, TEWR - I thought you were a writer.

You honestly can't think of any reason the Inquisition might not be all Chantry?

Or, even if it is Chantry-affiliated or funded, why someone who isn't an Andrastian and is maybe pro-mage would work with them to find a resolution to the war and stop the powers that be from making both sides destroy one another?

Seriously.disappointed. I thought you of all people would be saying "Cool it, guys. This doesn't mean Bioware is forcing us to support anything."

[Giltspur]

So this is what I can find on Inquisitors in Dragon Age lore:

http://dragonage.wik...Nevarran_Accord

But that's the old group.  They probably inspire the new group.  Bringing back an old name when the current order starts to fall apart.  So the Chantry has faced a calamity, and this group is investigating who's at the root of it. The answer may not be as simple as "mages".  If there is a new Inquisition, I hope they can have mages as members.  If their guiding principle is to find "terror" then it seems believable some mages might be motivated to do that.  Since there's no set lore on a group that hasn't actually been introduced, we can't really rule it out, can we?

Modifié par Giltspur, 15 août 2012 - 07:26 .

[Emzamination]

esper wrote...

I rather doubt they will broke peace so quickly, that just sound weird. But I am all for replacing the chantry.

But as I said, I doubt will get to have such a meaningfull decision. Also someone behind everything is just bad. The whole point of da2 was that there was no evil master mind, and I really think less lyrium riddled idols would make it all better.

Some of those Chantry apologist like wynne and the warden's mentor for example might be the ones trying to broker peace and the pc might just be an Apprentice forced to fix everything

[LolaLei]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I can barely read them on my phone. What are the name options?

Exarch
Inquisition
The Breach
Inquisitor
Apocrypha

Apocrypha - in Greek that means "hidden away". Fitting really lol.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

LolaLei wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I can barely read them on my phone. What are the name options?

Exarch
Inquisition
The Breach
Inquisitor
Apocrypha

Apocrypha - in Greek that means "hidden away". Fitting really lol.

Also, this:

The term apocrypha is used with various meanings,
including "hidden", "esoteric", "spurious", "of questionable
authenticity", ancient Chinese "revealed texts and objects" and
"Christian texts that are not canonical".

[LolaLei]

LOL! Even more fitting then!

[andar91]

Oooooh, maybe we can delve into the theory that Andraste was a mage. I LOVE that theory. Sort of like Banned from the Bible, only Banned from the Chant of Light lol.

Modifié par andar91, 15 août 2012 - 07:32 .

[TEWR]

brushyourteeth wrote...
I'm honestly disappointed, TEWR - I thought you were a writer.

Aspiring writer, really. But calling myself The Ethereal Aspiring Writer Redux isn't as catchy.

You honestly can't think of any reason the Inquisition might not be all Chantry?

None. If the idea was to play as a Seeker, that'd be a different matter. There are plenty of reasons why one would be a Seeker and not be pro-Chantry, but the Inquisition is by default anti-Mage and anti-Chantry -- or at least pro-Chantry in a warped sense of the mindset.

And I edited my post to remove the pro-Chantry segment, as in the past I've said the New Inquisition was by default anti-Chantry so I wanted to remain consistent. They defected from the Chantry, planned to kill the Divine, and want to slaughter the Mages. By going against the Divine, they are going against the Chantry itself.

My point still stands though. It not only forces the player to be of a certain mindset, but of an extreme mindset. Which isn't entirely bad, if it's left to player choice. Not everyone wants to play an anti-Mage/anti-Chantry PC, just as everyone doesn't want to play the opposite.

Or, even if it is Chantry-affiliated or funded, why someone who isn't an Andrastian and is maybe pro-mage would work with them to find a resolution to the war and stop the powers that be from making both sides destroy one another?

I can't see why a pro-Mage person or a pro-peace person would work with a group of people that are decidedly against peace and being pro-Mage.

Remember, the New Inquisition are the Templars that followed Lambert as he declared the Nevarran Accord null and void -- the act that brought the former Inquisition into being the Templars.

Granted, perhaps I am being a tad too hasty. Admittedly, these last few months have been pretty stressful on me and I guess I just sort of... let all the stress out.

With the idea of the Seekers I had more information to go off of so my views on the matter were more... open. And I was also less stressed due to what was happening to me outside the internet at the time.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 août 2012 - 07:36 .

[King Cousland]

Goodness me, I really don't understand all this fuss about being called "The Inquisitor". It's a new order. We don't know anything about it's formation or goals, and for all we know we could be "inquiring" for the Empress or another non-clerical figure.

In Origins, we had to side against Loghain and support Eamon's coalition, but that didn't mean we had no control over how events eventually turned out. 

Even if we do have to take sides from the get-go, I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with it in this instance. The Mage-Templar War by it's very nature will be bound to have diverse conclusions which can't possibly be recognised in the future and would likely lead to the establishment of a canon. To avoid this, the only option is to have a central aspect of the ending which is set in stone (in the same manner as the Archdemon's death). There still plenty of room for choice and character building within that scope. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 15 août 2012 - 07:39 .

[Brockololly]

Emzamination wrote...
That is exactly what the synopsis said so I don't understand why everyone's crying pro-chantry

From the synopsis, it seems like the Chantry basically gets more or less destroyed and this "Inquisition" is a new entity entirely that probably ends up taking on a sort of Warden like neutrality in the sense that they're simply trying to find out the truth of the situation.

Which likely lets the player character go between the various factions (mages, Chantry remnants, qunari, mercenaries, Orlesian nobles, apostates, Wardens) to recruit people who are all manner of outcasts and discover that the Big Bad isn't orchestrating the downfall of the Chantry or any one faction but the world itself. Which calls for everyone to put aside their differences and band together to save the day...defeat the Ancient Evil which will inevitably be Flemeth and probably end up with some cliffhanger that doesn't resolve much of anything and likely is barely touched on ever again.

[brushyourteeth]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Apocrypha - in Greek that means "hidden away". Fitting really lol.

Also, this:

The term apocrypha is used with various meanings,
including "hidden", "esoteric", "spurious", "of questionable
authenticity", ancient Chinese "revealed texts and objects" and
"Christian texts that are not canonical".

And there are actually two dissonant (non-canonical) Chant of light verses we know about:

At Shartan's word, the sky
Grew black with arrows.
At Our Lady's, ten thousand swords
Rang from their sheaths,
A great hymn rose over Valarian Fields gladly proclaiming:
Those who had been slaves were now free.
-Shartan 10:1, Dissonant Verse

The Old Gods will call to you,
From their ancient prisons they will sing.
Dragons with wicked eyes and wicked hearts,
On blacken'd wings does deceit take flight,
The first of My children, lost to night.
-Silence 3:6, Dissonant Verse

Aaaand those are the only verses we have from the book of Shartan or the book of Silence, so both books may be completely non-canonical. I wouldn't be surprised if it was discovered that all the Chant of Light verses that support mage freedoms were neatly tucked away and labeled false.

Modifié par brushyourteeth, 15 août 2012 - 07:39 .

[brushyourteeth]

Filament wrote...

If it's Lambert's inquisition then that could be troubling. I don't think we have nearly enough info to judge, though. Still don't fancy the name, but we'll see.

Unlikely, as he's probably dead.

[TEWR]

brushyourteeth wrote...

And there are actually two dissonant (non-canonical) Chant of light verses we know about:

There's the Canticle of Maferath as well.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 15 août 2012 - 07:43 .

[Emzamination]

Brockololly wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
That is exactly what the synopsis said so I don't understand why everyone's crying pro-chantry

From the synopsis, it seems like the Chantry basically gets more or less destroyed and this "Inquisition" is a new entity entirely that probably ends up taking on a sort of Warden like neutrality in the sense that they're simply trying to find out the truth of the situation.

Which likely lets the player character go between the various factions (mages, Chantry remnants, qunari, mercenaries, Orlesian nobles, apostates, Wardens) to recruit people who are all manner of outcasts and discover that the Big Bad isn't orchestrating the downfall of the Chantry or any one faction but the world itself. Which calls for everyone to put aside their differences and band together to save the day...defeat the Ancient Evil which will inevitably be Flemeth and probably end up with some cliffhanger that doesn't resolve much of anything and likely is barely touched on ever again.

What, no chance to create a new Imperium? Cliff hanger? Maker NOOOOO!!! not the cliff hanger, had enough of that for one lifetime in Me3 Story sounds too linear, canceling my pre-pre order

[brushyourteeth]

The Ethereal Writer Redux wrote...

brushyourteeth wrote...

And there are actually two dissonant (non-canonical) Chant of light verses we know about:

There's the Canticle of Maferath as well.

Oh, good call. Though we've never heard anything from that. So yep. Probably some investigating in musty old Tevinter libraries in our future if this theory's correct. 

[AtreiyaN7]

Filament wrote...

If it's Lambert's inquisition then that could be troubling. I don't think we have nearly enough info to judge, though. Still don't fancy the name, but we'll see.

Seeing the name Lambert in here suddenly made me think of Christopher Lambert in Highlander, and now I have Princes of Universe stuck in my head.

[Reznore57]

I really hope we 're gonna have the opportunity to investigate about the chant of light etc...
The whole investigate about what's going on ,finding out about mysteries is something i really like .

[esper]

Emzamination wrote...

esper wrote...

I rather doubt they will broke peace so quickly, that just sound weird. But I am all for replacing the chantry.

But as I said, I doubt will get to have such a meaningfull decision. Also someone behind everything is just bad. The whole point of da2 was that there was no evil master mind, and I really think less lyrium riddled idols would make it all better.

Some of those Chantry apologist like wynne and the warden's mentor for example might be the ones trying to broker peace and the pc might just be an Apprentice forced to fix everything

Isn't Wynne pretty much out of the picture past Asunder? And Irving I can't see be important, unless you meant Duncan of course in which case. he is out of the picture.

I just can't see a peace meeting having any real man power 10 years past da:o which is so close to da2 and Asunder.

And actually I am not sure I want to be pro-peace. If we are to participate in civil war with more, I want to be able to expres an opinion to take sides - sure I might in the end be forced to not broke peace, but I want to be able to express any political opinion I want. And if that is the case why would the apologists ever come to me to fix everything?

The only thing I can see being part of a political group working is if I get to form the group what its political stance is. If not, they need to have more than one political group for us to be part of.

[esper]

Brockololly wrote...

Emzamination wrote...
That is exactly what the synopsis said so I don't understand why everyone's crying pro-chantry

From the synopsis, it seems like the Chantry basically gets more or less destroyed and this "Inquisition" is a new entity entirely that probably ends up taking on a sort of Warden like neutrality in the sense that they're simply trying to find out the truth of the situation.

Which likely lets the player character go between the various factions (mages, Chantry remnants, qunari, mercenaries, Orlesian nobles, apostates, Wardens) to recruit people who are all manner of outcasts and discover that the Big Bad isn't orchestrating the downfall of the Chantry or any one faction but the world itself. Which calls for everyone to put aside their differences and band together to save the day...defeat the Ancient Evil which will inevitably be Flemeth and probably end up with some cliffhanger that doesn't resolve much of anything and likely is barely touched on ever again.

I am actually hoping that the inquestion ends up discovering that there is not big bad, just a lot of foolish humans (and elves, dwarves and kossiths) and the whole thing ends with the downfall of Orlais or something like that.

Fereldans group wasn't brought together by the blight, every positive change brough up by the temporal banding together dissappeared when the band of misfit disbaned at the end of the blight. I can't see how this would be any different. Once the crisis is over everyone would go back to fighting each other again.

[Tinu]

I will not believe Flemeth is the evil force in Thedas. She is trying to stop it and the Inquisitor (I) will aid her.

[andar91]

I think expressing our opinions on a political opinion is fine, but I think the ending, like with DA:O, will sort of bottleneck into one major event regardless of what the story is. This is because having two major outcomes, in my opinion, is almost impossible because they couldn't account for two divergent outcomes in future games without making one officially canon. For instance, imagine if, in DA:O, it was a choice to kill or not kill the archdemon. How could save imports ever matter? The way you got there and epilogue-level stuff was fairly malleable, but the big ending was fairly set because it had to be.

This is why I think DA3 will end with a big fight of some kind that is probably separate from mages and templars and even qunari (probably Flemeth like Brockololly said); the political tensions in the game will be a factor but not a momentous one.

I think.

Anyway, this is all good news for me, because I think we need an antagonist badly, and I really, REALLY want to know more about Flemeth and Morrigan.

EDIT: They don't necessarily HAVE to be villains, just involved in some way. As previously stated, Flemeth could be the Duncan or Kreia of this game.

Modifié par andar91, 15 août 2012 - 07:53 .