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[ladyofpayne]

elves must look liket this ones



They are beatuful but they dob't looks like human.

[Foolsfolly]

The first one's alright. The third one is ridiculously awful and reeks of existing only as someone's fetish fuel.

[Knight of Dane]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I don't want all elves to be like that I said, but some. Bioware is harly going out of their way to do so as it is. Does all elves need to be trashy and spent?

This is 'gritty fantasy'. Just like in the real world, there are no perfect, angelic individuals of any species. Pretty much everyone is flawed. DA's elves might have pointy ears and magic, but why should they be paragons of virtue and "cuteness"? A one-dimensional character would be incredibly mundane - not to mention the weird fetishisation of innocence. 

You assume a great many things

Why can you only write stuff i never said anything about?
Just because they look like the elven dream doesn't mean they are. Katriel Wasn't.
Why is that you think angelic elves should be angelic? Why can't they have colourfull pasts too?

All I was saying was that i wanted an elf that looked as descriped by character fantasies. I never said i wanted her to be angelic in person.

Though now that you mention it i wouldn't really mind a goddess to romance.. 

[Knight of Dane]

Foolsfolly wrote...

The first one's alright. The third one is ridiculously awful and reeks of existing only as someone's fetish fuel.

Agreed, i really liked the first one too. 

[Knight of Dane]

Also, katriel is the blond haired elf behind Maric and Loghain on the Stolen throne, just for those of you who want to know.



The other woman in Rowan, Maric's later queen.

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 23 août 2012 - 01:23 .

[WardenKing]

Having read a bit through my Dragon Age books again I came across something interesting in this certain book which I thought I`d share with you all: http://www.cdunivers...asp?pid=8426737
Not sure if everyone here have read it, but it strengthen the theory about the ongoing DA3 leaked rumours. I`ll quote from the Epilogue: Dark Times:

"In closing Hawke`s story, Varric reflects on his friend`s legacy. We learn that the Champion has since vanished or else the dwarf has no desire to let on what he knows.

So what does the future hold? The mage/templar crises has drawn the battle lines, setting the scene for rebellion and persecution. Religious purges and expurgation can be epxected from the Chantry, but news of Kirkwall may incite other Circles to rise up in revolt.

Perhaps more intriguing, is there a reason why Hawke is now "gone like the warden", as revealed by Cassandra in the final scene? Do the Champion and the Hero of Ferelden have more  in common than we know? And what do the mysteirous Seekers of Truth have to do with this? Will some kind of Inquisition be at the heart of the events of the next Dragon Age title?

Finally, is it safe to speculate that Morrigan may play a major role in future events? Flemeth`s cryptic explanation for her journey to Sundermount ("A bit of security, should the inevitable occur. And if I know my Morrigan, it already has.") may refer to the Warden`s battle with the Witch of the Wilds - or, perhaps, an artfully conjured facsimile - at her furious daughter`s behest. Flemeth, lest we forget, was discovered to have achieved a form of immortality by periodically appropiating the bodies of numerous "daughters" throughout her history. Then again, with Morrigan carrying a child infused with the spirit of the archdemon in one likely narrative eventuality, it could mean so much more..."

Modifié par Captain Eldarion, 23 août 2012 - 01:31 .

[Mr Fixit]

I'll admit I'm biased because I hate elves with a passion. There isn't a more cliche race on the planet. Dwarves aren't far off, but the fact they were never on a pedestal of cosmic perfection makes them more palatable to me.

[Jerrybnsn]

And again, I can't stress this enough as for why people are complaing about the design of the elves.

For those wondering who Katriel was in the Stolen Throne that stoled King Maric's heart.

http://t0.gstatic.co...R88ojgQSef9A4Pw


Not this
 

[Foolsfolly]

You can stop stressing your point, Jerrybnsn. But the new elf design isn't as bad as that ugly midget mutant Gandhi.

[Potato Cat]

The elf redesign is not ideal. I don't hate the big eyes they have now, in fact I really like them, but the noses do seem a bit...you know. Merrill and Fenris were the only two elves that looked as good as they should. Varania also looked quite nice in my opinion too. But for the most part, they were not nice to look at all, despite lore to suggest humans find elves very attractive. I don't see why they couldn't have kept them as they were and just given them longer ears.

[Jerrybnsn]

Foolsfolly wrote...

You can stop stressing your point, Jerrybnsn. But the new elf design isn't as bad as that ugly midget mutant Gandhi.

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRSVrzUNXB9oesUjS4FHcXYh93af_RlpYcodWr0QhMbw2NpPv8T

OoooBaby!  How can you resist this?

[Knight of Dane]

I always liked Lia.

Another hairstyle and a bit of makeup and we have ourselves a cute lookin one.
Also, as said before, the nose ridges seem odd, I'd like a little bend on that too.

[syllogi]

Knight of Dane wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

I don't want all elves to be like that I said, but some. Bioware is harly going out of their way to do so as it is. Does all elves need to be trashy and spent?

This is 'gritty fantasy'. Just like in the real world, there are no perfect, angelic individuals of any species. Pretty much everyone is flawed. DA's elves might have pointy ears and magic, but why should they be paragons of virtue and "cuteness"? A one-dimensional character would be incredibly mundane - not to mention the weird fetishisation of innocence. 

You assume a great many things

Why can you only write stuff i never said anything about?
Just because they look like the elven dream doesn't mean they are. Katriel Wasn't.
Why is that you think angelic elves should be angelic? Why can't they have colourfull pasts too?

All I was saying was that i wanted an elf that looked as descriped by character fantasies. I never said i wanted her to be angelic in person.

Though now that you mention it i wouldn't really mind a goddess to romance.. 

Eh, I think it's a matter of the words you used to describe how you think elves should look, "pure and cute" does not necessarily have to match up with "attractive enough to make human men crazy for them."

Katriel was described as having curly blonde hair, an orlesian accent, and being very pretty, perhaps more "conventionally" pretty than Rowan.  Fiona had short brown hair, and Maric found her attractive.  That doesn't necessarily mean that, as elves, they have to look like a human with pointy ears.  There can be a middle ground between the worst examples of DA2 elves (I still feel really sorry for Orana) and fantasy art illustrations of fashion models with pointy ears (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't the direction the DA artists want to go in with the elves in this world).

[King Cousland]

 I disliked the elf designs in both Origins and DA II. They weren't distinct enough in Origns but DA II changed them to excess, and they turned (IMO) into a cartoon-like gimmick with bulging eyes, Jak and Daxter ears and Na'vi facial structures. 

Elves, IMHO, should fit with the Tolkienesque ideals of beauty (I think it's important to stress that physically they should be beautiful, not cute), without submitting to the "goody goody", purity, impeccable morality tropes. 

There are several things BioWare can do to make the elves distinct without creating the over-the-top (and often aesthetically unpleasant) people we saw in DA II. For example they could make the eyes more feline and make human and dwarf eye colours duller in comparison, they could make their noses straight and give them high cheekbones. Their skin should be pale if they're in the city but more tanned if they're Dalish, and the ears should be more prominent than in Origins but not to excess, and they should be more pinned to the sides than sticking out. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 23 août 2012 - 01:54 .

[Potato Cat]

Knight of Dane wrote...

I always liked Lia.

Another hairstyle and a bit of makeup and we have ourselves a cute lookin one.
Also, as said before, the nose ridges seem odd, I'd like a little bend on that too.

Ah yes. I thought she was one of the weird ones but I think I'm mixing her up with Huon's wife(?) She was very ugly.

The noses remind me of the Na'vi noses from Avatar. And why does almost every elf have green eyes? I like green eyes, but there's a limit.

[Potato Cat]

King Cousland wrote...

 I disliked the elf designs in both Origins and DA II. They weren't distinct enough in Origns but DA II changed them to excess, and they turned (IMO) into a cartoon-like gimmick with bulging eyes, Jak and Daxter ears and Na'vi facial structures. 

Elves, IMHO, should fit with the Tolkienesque ideals of beauty (I think it's important to stress that physically they should be beautiful, not cute), without submitting to the "goody goody", purity, impeccable morality tropes. 

There are several things BioWare can do to make the elves distinct without creating the over-the-top (and often aesthetically unpleasant) people we saw in DA II. For example they could make the eyes more feline and make human and dwarf eye colours duller in comparison, they could make their noses straight and give them high cheekbones. Their skin should be pale if they're in the city but more tanned if they're Dalish, and the ears should be more prominent than in Origins but not to excess, and they should be more pinned to the sides than sticking out. 

This. With a few exceptions. I think the Dalish ears should point outwards because in Origins, they called Pol a "flat ear" because he was from the city and his ears had become more human . I also remember reading somewhere that DA elves have strange eye colours such as purple or violet or something. Might have gotten mixed up with Kossith lore there, but there was definitely something on elf eye colour. And since I love cats, giving elves feline eyes is a HUGE yes from me, combining two of my favourite things there. Also, I miss shoes. Why can't they wear shoes?

[Jerrybnsn]

syllogi wrote...

Katriel was described as having curly blonde hair, an orlesian accent, and being very pretty, perhaps more "conventionally" pretty than Rowan.  Fiona had short brown hair, and Maric found her attractive.  That doesn't necessarily mean that, as elves, they have to look like a human with pointy ears.  There can be a middle ground between the worst examples of DA2 elves (I still feel really sorry for Orana) and fantasy art illustrations of fashion models with pointy ears (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't the direction the DA artists want to go in with the elves in this world).

An orleasian accent?  I'll have to read the book again, but I thought Katriel was a city-elf/bard from Fereldan and hence didn't have an Orleasian accent.  Fiona did have an Orleasian accent because she was raised in Orlais.

I also think that it was written according to DA scripture that Maric wasn't particulary attracted to Fiona but that she reminded him of Katriel enough that he was drawn to her.

[ElitePinecone]

Captain Eldarion wrote...
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That looks like a Prima guide? 

If that was written alongside DA2's release - with references to an Inquisition - it could be a good sign that this apparent DA3 story arc was always where they wanted to take the series after the Mage-Templar escalation in the second game. I'm wondering why DA2's main plot seemed so underwhelming when there were clear plans for something much more expansive for a future title. I mean, acting as a glorified bridge to an Inquisition surely isn't the most exciting or engaging plot Hawke could have had, particularly when a larger plot about Thedas falling apart was waiting in the wings. 

(Someday I'd love an insider account of why DA2 was developed as it was - not that we're likely to ever know.)

[Knight of Dane]

syllogi wrote...
Eh, I think it's a matter of the words you used to describe how you think elves should look, "pure and cute" does not necessarily have to match up with "attractive enough to make human men crazy for them."

Katriel was described as having curly blonde hair, an orlesian accent, and being very pretty, perhaps more "conventionally" pretty than Rowan.  Fiona had short brown hair, and Maric found her attractive.  That doesn't necessarily mean that, as elves, they have to look like a human with pointy ears.

Of course not pure and cute is an impression, but there is a hint of truth in everything.
And i know how those two look, though Fiona had darker hair than just brown as I see it, at least it's just descriped as dark. 

There can be a middle ground between the worst examples of DA2 elves (I still feel really sorry for Orana) and fantasy art illustrations of fashion models with pointy ears (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't the direction the DA artists want to go in with the elves in this world).

Agreed, and I don't want to apply a dream image on all elves, I'd just like to experience them in DA too, for so far I haven't.

[Knight of Dane]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Katriel was described as having curly blonde hair, an orlesian accent, and being very pretty, perhaps more "conventionally" pretty than Rowan.  Fiona had short brown hair, and Maric found her attractive.  That doesn't necessarily mean that, as elves, they have to look like a human with pointy ears.  There can be a middle ground between the worst examples of DA2 elves (I still feel really sorry for Orana) and fantasy art illustrations of fashion models with pointy ears (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't the direction the DA artists want to go in with the elves in this world).

An orleasian accent?  I'll have to read the book again, but I thought Katriel was a city-elf/bard from Fereldan and hence didn't have an Orleasian accent.  Fiona did have an Orleasian accent because she was raised in Orlais.

I also think that it was written according to DA scripture that Maric wasn't particulary attracted to Fiona but that she reminded him of Katriel enough that he was drawn to her.

No Katriel was an Orlesian bard of Val Royeaux, Fereldan bards are just singers. Those that are spies come from Orlais.
I think Maric was attracted to Fiona, but he didn't feel it as deep because he was still hurting over Katriel and Rowan. It's she who makes the advances after they exit the fade on him, but he doesn't relent, which to me means that he was finally over Katriel.

He also wanted to live with Fiona, he offered her as much only Katriel was the other he felt that way about.

[Renmiri1]

On DA2 Keeper Marethari was pretty for an old lady. She would have been stunning when young.

DAO's version of Marethari was ugly!

[Mr Fixit]

If there must be such a thing as elf, I want it to be a feral force of nature with morality, outlook, and culture nearly incomprehensible to humans.

Otherwise, why even bother with different races.

[syllogi]

Jerrybnsn wrote...

syllogi wrote...

Katriel was described as having curly blonde hair, an orlesian accent, and being very pretty, perhaps more "conventionally" pretty than Rowan.  Fiona had short brown hair, and Maric found her attractive.  That doesn't necessarily mean that, as elves, they have to look like a human with pointy ears.  There can be a middle ground between the worst examples of DA2 elves (I still feel really sorry for Orana) and fantasy art illustrations of fashion models with pointy ears (not that there's anything wrong with that, it just isn't the direction the DA artists want to go in with the elves in this world).

An orleasian accent?  I'll have to read the book again, but I thought Katriel was a city-elf/bard from Fereldan and hence didn't have an Orleasian accent.  Fiona did have an Orleasian accent because she was raised in Orlais.

I also think that it was written according to DA scripture that Maric wasn't particulary attracted to Fiona but that she reminded him of Katriel enough that he was drawn to her.

As Knight of Dane said, she was Orlesian...part of the reason Loghain immediately hated her and distrusted her so much.  As for Fiona, I think her elfy-ness was what initially drew Maric to her, so I assume he at least found her physically attractive.