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[Tommyspa]

BrotherWarth wrote...

I think Meer was better than Hale in ME2 and ME3. In ME2 and ME3 Hale's romance line delivery was cringe worthy and it seemed like every other line of renegade dialogue she delivered was recorded while she was squeezing out a deuce.

A good example of this is in ME2 when you make the batarian bartender drink the poison in Afterlife. Hale sounds like she is chewing on her lower lip and Meer sounds like a badass. One is fundementally superior to the other.

Modifié par Tommyspa, 02 septembre 2012 - 01:15 .

[Tommyspa]

Blackrising wrote...

Just gonna stand here and watch it burn, but that's alright because I like...-

Wait, no.

Doesn't anyone have anything left to talk about?
Oh right: Didn't Bioware say that they were looking to Skyrim as inspiration for DA 3? What do you guys think about a Dragon Age that's a little more open-world than we're used to?
Personally, I'm not sure what to think. A bit of open-world could be great, but not if other aspects of the game suffer for it.

I think Final Fantasy 12 open world would be perfect for DA3. If you've played it, you'd see it perfectly.

[CuriousArtemis]

Blackrising wrote...

He did? Then we might have been playing different games. xD

Honestly, it's not even the lack of emotions that bothers me. It's just the tone. Like he's got a permanently stuffed nose.

And if Meer was indeed directed to say his lines in a monotonous way, then that was a pretty bad decision. It also feels ridiculous. Jennifer Hale as FemShep was fab and she never sounded fake or emotionless. Not to mention that Shepard was not really the kind of main character you could make your own. S/he always had her/his own personality.

(However, I may also just still be the tiniest bit bitter about how ManShep got all those great female romance options and FemShep got...Liara.)

I haven't played FemShep (much) but I have to agree with you on Meer!

It's the same issue I have with Tallis. As always, I love Felicia Day, but the voice acting for Tallis was all wrong. Same with DudeShep. He sounded perpetually bored and unemotional. And not even in a cool Vulcan-ish way of being unemotional. More of a "This VA is not all that talented" unemotional. 

Which isn't to say that he ISN'T talented, but in that particular role, he didn't SOUND it.

[SirGladiator]

There aren't many VAs who are even in the same league as Jennifer Hale, and certainly maleshep's VA isnt one of them. I'm hopeful that if they're bringing him in, they'll bring Hale in as well, she would've been so much better than whoever did Lady Hawke. I liked Tallis's voice, I hope to see her as a teammate in DA3, I can't think of anything I'd want to change about the voice.

I like the idea of a bit of open-worldness as well, as a change of pace. Certainly Skyrim is one of the best games of all time, I've played every game in that series and Skyrim is just MILES ahead of anything they've ever done, I really love that game and I've played it a ton, I can't really put my finger on any one thing they changed, but the whole experience is just WAY WAY WAY more fun now, I'd love to see Bioware learn from that and use it in some way in DA3. Of course I also like how they followed DA2's example of letting my female character romance anyone she wanted, really the ME series is the only gaming series left that I can think of, that picks and chooses who you can and can't have as an LI, and takes away most, if not all, the best romance options from your female characters. Nobody else does that anymore, at least none that I'm aware of. Hopefully DA3 will follow DA2 and Skyrim's lead on that as well. Certainly Skyrim does a great job of telling a great story, having an unreal number of cool side-quests, plenty of tough, challenging opponents, tons of cool and interesting characters, including a nice number of LIs (the first game in the series to have LIs, I didn't expect there to be any), its a role model for any game. I don't mind the general format of DAO/DA2 either of course, the lack of open-worldness isnt exactly a terrible thing, but if they can incorporate it in some form, in the same cool way that Skyrim does, no doubt it'll be even better and more fun as a result.

[ElitePinecone]

Avejajed wrote...

Didn't Mark work on both Origins & DA2 as minor characters? He could just be doing the same type of thing.

That's true. Meer is based in Edmonton so I presume he'd be handy to grab now and then for roles playing minor characters (he was in Origins, DA2, Jade Empire and ME/ME2/ME3 as tiny roles in addition to Shepard). 

It looks like voice acting for some of the more major characters has been happening since May, so... who knows what he's doing, if he's even actually doing it at all. We have no confirmation, remember.

(He doesn't seem to fit any of the companions, if they are the companions; don't Tevinter magisters generally have upper-class British accents?)

[Most Definitely Sane]

I think that Mark Meer is in the same league as Jennifer Hale, ME1 and ME2 just weren't his best works. I prefer him on some parts of the Mass Effect series, and I prefer Jennifer Hale on other parts.
They both have incredible range, and they both have their strengths and flaws.
How about we leave it at that?

I'm guessing Mr. Meer is going to be small roles again.

[BioFan (Official)]

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[Blackrising]

SirGladiator wrote...

There aren't many VAs who are even in the same league as Jennifer Hale, and certainly maleshep's VA isnt one of them. I'm hopeful that if they're bringing him in, they'll bring Hale in as well, she would've been so much better than whoever did Lady Hawke. I liked Tallis's voice, I hope to see her as a teammate in DA3, I can't think of anything I'd want to change about the voice.

I like the idea of a bit of open-worldness as well, as a change of pace. Certainly Skyrim is one of the best games of all time, I've played every game in that series and Skyrim is just MILES ahead of anything they've ever done, I really love that game and I've played it a ton, I can't really put my finger on any one thing they changed, but the whole experience is just WAY WAY WAY more fun now, I'd love to see Bioware learn from that and use it in some way in DA3. Of course I also like how they followed DA2's example of letting my female character romance anyone she wanted, really the ME series is the only gaming series left that I can think of, that picks and chooses who you can and can't have as an LI, and takes away most, if not all, the best romance options from your female characters. Nobody else does that anymore, at least none that I'm aware of. Hopefully DA3 will follow DA2 and Skyrim's lead on that as well. Certainly Skyrim does a great job of telling a great story, having an unreal number of cool side-quests, plenty of tough, challenging opponents, tons of cool and interesting characters, including a nice number of LIs (the first game in the series to have LIs, I didn't expect there to be any), its a role model for any game. I don't mind the general format of DAO/DA2 either of course, the lack of open-worldness isnt exactly a terrible thing, but if they can incorporate it in some form, in the same cool way that Skyrim does, no doubt it'll be even better and more fun as a result.

Yes. This. So much.
I can't even tell you how damn tired of everything my FemShep was at the end of ME 3. She's supposed to save the whole f****** universe but isn't even allowed the smallest measure of comfort because the women she wants keep rejecting her. Tragic character right there.

As far as Skyrim goes, I think I have to disagree with you on some points. Skyrim was undoubtedly a good game. It kept me busy for over 150 hours and with Hearthfire coming out next week, I will surely spend more on it.
BUT I felt it was lacking in some aspects. There weren't really any characters I felt close to or even really liked. Mostly because they were completly underdeveloped. As someone who usually feels the romance in a game is the most enjoyable part never married anyone because it was so dreadfully boring. Even the more important characters like Aela were basically just furniture that dropped a bit of coin and a home-made meal every day after you married them. Not even my PC evoked any feelings of attachment in me.
So while the world of Skyrim is vast and fascinating and certainly pretty to look at, it will never beat any of the Bioware games I've played.

However, I don't think that makes Skyrim a worse game overall. It just aims to do different things. Bioware's strengths are strong characters that make the player feel emotionally attached, while Skyrim's strength is the game world full of opportunities. So I guess in the end it mostly depends on what kind of gamer you are.

But since Skyrim and DA are so different, I'm a bit worried about Bioware looking to Skyrim for inspiration. I just don't want them to forget what makes their games so attractive to players.

[BioFan (Official)]

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[TamiBx]

Blackrising wrote...

*snip for length* 

However, I don't think that makes Skyrim a worse game overall. It just aims to do different things. Bioware's strengths are strong characters that make the player feel emotionally attached, while Skyrim's strength is the game world full of opportunities. So I guess in the end it mostly depends on what kind of gamer you are.

But since Skyrim and DA are so different, I'm a bit worried about Bioware looking to Skyrim for inspiration. I just don't want them to forget what makes their games so attractive to players.

Yes, I agree with you. I'm not a Skyrim person, because I value story telling more than the open world concept (I tried, played for 4hrs and got extremely bored), so the fact that Bioware is looking at Skyrim makes me a little nervous. 

[BioFan (Official)]

TamiBx wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

*snip for length* 

However, I don't think that makes Skyrim a worse game overall. It just aims to do different things. Bioware's strengths are strong characters that make the player feel emotionally attached, while Skyrim's strength is the game world full of opportunities. So I guess in the end it mostly depends on what kind of gamer you are.

But since Skyrim and DA are so different, I'm a bit worried about Bioware looking to Skyrim for inspiration. I just don't want them to forget what makes their games so attractive to players.

Yes, I agree with you. I'm not a Skyrim person, because I value story telling more than the open world concept (I tried, played for 4hrs and got extremely bored), so the fact that Bioware is looking at Skyrim makes me a little nervous. 

i didn't touch skyrim. i played oblivion for 5 hours. then was like "why did i buy this again?" i got so bored. nothing was happening. 

[upsettingshorts]

Mark Meer is awesome. All who disagree are simply wrong. Get educated.

[LinksOcarina]

Ericander77 wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Blackrising wrote...

Anyone have any idea if that bit of news is legit? And in case it is, can anyone point me to a bit of voice acting from Mark Meer that does not make me want to kick things?

He can do a lot of accents. 

Jethann the flamboyant elf, for example...

Or Niftu Cal, the volus biotic god - this scene actually has Meer talking to himself

Okay, that is reassuring. Those are way more pleaing than whatever Meer intended to do with Shepard.

Bioware would never have him voice anyone of super major importance in his shepard voice. 

They had Nick Boluton voice Major Coats in a gravely version of his Hawke voice, which he also used for Vaughn in Dragon Age: Origins... (scary I know this yeah) 

I bet they will have Mark Meer play Cole or a companion eventually, but that is my guess. 

BTW, what was at the panels?

Modifié par LinksOcarina, 02 septembre 2012 - 07:57 .

[upsettingshorts]

Seriously though it's not that Jennifer Hale is some amazeballs actress and Mark Meer is mediocre (I happen to think they're overrated and underrated, respectively, but that's beside the point) it's that they took different approaches to playing Shepard.

Jennifer Hale's performance is very theatrical, even hammy, because she's attempting to play Paragon Shepard and Renegade Shepard as two distinct characters. That results in Paragon Hale sounding like she's always talking to a puppy, and Renegade Hale sounding like she's off her medication.

Mark Meer on the other hand treats Paragon Shepard and Renegade Shepard as different moods, not different people. As such, there's far less of a difference between how each sounds. What critics who don't get this don't understand is that this carries benefits (as well as drawbacks).  What do I mean?

Hale's approach: Makes playing straight Paragon or straight Renegade possibly more compelling because of the emphatic performance. It also makes switching between the two with any regularity kind of painful.

Meer's approach: Makes playing straight Paragon or straight Renegade possibly a bit dull, or as people like to say, "flat." Allows alternating between both approaches without the voice acting giving the player whiplash.

As far as ability goes, Meer demonstrates a great deal of range and ability and should not in any circumstances be considered less able than Jen Hale, only far less accomplished professionally. The guy voices all the Vorcha, an elf in DAO (the one with the missing werewolf wife), Niftu Caln, Jethann, etc.  He's all over the place and practically nobody knows. That is a good and yes, impressive thing.

If you don't like their voices, you don't like their voices.  That's fine.  But let's not pretend that anyone should care about that besides you, and it's certainly not an indication of their ability as actors.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 02 septembre 2012 - 08:08 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

All what Shorts said. Also, anyone who complains about Meer's voice acting with Shepard needs to realize that he was directed to key down his emotion with male Shepard. This is why we get such a marked difference between, say, ME1 Manshep and ME3 Manshep. He confirmed this in a recent interview on Skype. Other than that, he's responsible for iconic characters such as ALL the Vorcha, Blasto, and Jethann. Anyone who says he's a bad actor needs to check themselves instead of voicing such obvious bias.

tldr; Meer and Hale are both are talented VOs and are awesome at what they do.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 02 septembre 2012 - 10:17 .

[Renmiri1]

Romance in Skyrim is not really romance. Is just a way for you to get gold and a food buff.

Story is very weak too.. or rather.. very uneven. I loved the Dragonborn story arch but most of the other story arcs were boring. The Civil War was ok as well just not my cup of tea. Bioware games pwn Skyrim in story.. well except Me3 ending... UGH

[Aggie Punbot]

This is why I'm a member of Shorts's Bizarre Personality Cult. He said it far better than I ever could.

[King Cousland]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Romance in Skyrim is not really romance. Is just a way for you to get gold and a food buff.

Story is very weak too.. or rather.. very uneven. I loved the Dragonborn story arch but most of the other story arcs were boring. The Civil War was ok as well just not my cup of tea. Bioware games pwn Skyrim in story.. well except Me3 ending... UGH

Sandbox games aren't desgined for their story in the same way that BioWare games are. Sandbox games focus on exploration and skill development but have quests and story arcs for those who want something to immerse themselves with other than traversing the land. BioWare games traditionally centre around a rich, detailed story which is the player's main focus (naturally, exploration is often sacrificed). A notable recent exception to the sandbox pattern is Fallout: New Vegas, which I thought had an excellent story which was the main focus, as well as being a well-designed open-world game, but other than that the games are pretty much incomparable on both a story-telling and gameplay level. 

Modifié par King Cousland, 03 septembre 2012 - 12:29 .

[gangly369]

Mark Meer was great in ME3, (and Hale was of course solid). But I recently just saw his improv show at the Fringe, and I was laughing non-stop. The man is hilarious, and very good with different accents. If he voiced one of the companions for DA3 (or even just a notable NPC), I would be all for it.

[ElitePinecone]

LinksOcarina wrote...

They had Nick Boluton voice Major Coats in a gravely version of his Hawke voice, which he also used for Vaughn in Dragon Age: Origins... (scary I know this yeah) 

I bet they will have Mark Meer play Cole or a companion eventually, but that is my guess. 

BTW, what was at the panels?

Oh wow, I *thought* Coates sounded familiar. He was in the announcement trailer for ME3, and afaik they only made the character significant because so many people om BSN liked the character.