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[Dagr88]

BrotherWarth wrote...

That's all companion banter, not conversations with the PC. I shouldn't have to replay the game a dozen times to mix up my party to get my companions' back stories or even just cutesy little stories like that. It's poor game design to rely on chance to add depth to characters.

There are some key points at most major locations that activate companion's banter (does not apply to the 1st visit to a unique location). And "replay the game a dozen times" is DA's strong point because you can't experience all parts of the game in 1 playthrough. It's better to have those "bits that were left out" in many different areas so that even after playing the game dozen of times you might stumble upon something you never saw/heard before. Companion's banter is one of those "areas".

[Renmiri1]

I have completed DA2 about 6-7 times and have a lot of toons in act 2. DAO I only completed once

[The dead fish]

@ Renmiri: Sure, with the party banters. ( there are party banters in DAO too ) But I never take Anders with me since I can't and I don't want to, so I do not have access to the party banters. But as with DAO, I should be able to access to his personal story in conversations. In DAII, I never missed any discussion, and it's sad I can't know more about him, just because I don't pick him in my party. They are supposed to be friends. I never picked Sten in one playthrought , and I was still able to know almost everything about him. Sure I missed his banters, but I do know enought about him not to be bothered.

Otherwise I agree with BrotherWarth. Morever, the issue is also that the pc can't react about their personal story, etc, can not give his opinion, can not mean his interest or boredom.
The personal story is much more interesting in a conversation with interactions.

I love party banters, but they should add to the experience with conversations, not to replace it with some parts almost removed.

Modifié par Sylvianus, 11 septembre 2012 - 11:57 .

[thejoker1973]

Just had to de-lurk to add my two cents to the discussion...

Like has already been said by others, banter can be pretty isolating to the protagonist in DA2. Listening to it is fun enough, but at the same time it's like watching everyone else in the party develop relationships while the Warden/Hawke runs in circles outside the destination waiting for them to finish talking so you can finally stop eavesdropping.

Personal conversations can fix that isolation. In DA:O, we learn through conversations that Alistair has always wanted a family (not just the quest either; the hints are there in his dialogue). Later, when party banter reflects this desire of his (e.g. Morrigan asking about Goldanna), the player, at least, feels a connection because they understand this motive of his. It's possible to predict his reaction, to understand why this is one of the few topics he won't joke lightly about.

So, yes, we can hear Merrill telling Varric she'll return his string, and other such tales from Kirkwall; but, unless Hawke is that creepy kid in bio who has nothing better to do than take notes on others' conversations and store it away never to address it again...then, who cares? Hawke certainly doesn't. It'd be nice if Hawke could bring banter up later in a conversation, but alas...

Talking to Origins characters in conversations, hearing them tell the Warden those fun facts and stories gave depth not only to the character, but also to their relationship to the protagonist, which is what - in my opinion - DA2 lacked.

[Renmiri1]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I have completed DA2 about 6-7 times and have a lot of toons in act 2. DAO I only completed once

Yes, your preference for DA2 is well known. But it's irrelevent since pretty much everyone agrees that DA2 ends the same way regardless of your choices and Bioware's own data shows that most people don't finish their games.

Oddly enough a lot more people finish DA2 than they finish Origin.

As for party banter,  you either play a lot of DA2 or you do this:  go to the Hanged man and keep on picking Lowton / Hightown until the party stops "bantering", then switch one party member. I did that to get scenes for my videos. 

Sure a "camp" would be nice, but camping doesn't work very well with people who live on the city you are.

A weekly poker game on the Hanged Man would rock though. Everyone sitting around Varric's table chatting and goofing off, and letting your character "click to talk" to any of the companions. 

[LinksOcarina]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I have completed DA2 about 6-7 times and have a lot of toons in act 2. DAO I only completed once

Yes, your preference for DA2 is well known. But it's irrelevent since pretty much everyone agrees that DA2 ends the same way regardless of your choices and Bioware's own data shows that most people don't finish their games.

It is also irrlevent how the game ends, since both follow a choke point with two-four different outcomes to the main plot, and some variances in-between to sweeten it, namely characters left alive and choices made in the adventure.

But honestly, this is just splitting hairs at this point. 

[tishyw]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I have completed DA2 about 6-7 times and have a lot of toons in act 2. DAO I only completed once

I'm the complete opposite, I played DAO from start to finish about 5-6 time and could only bring myself to play DA2 once.

[LeoKrios]

No one expects the Orlesian Inquisition!

[cJohnOne]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

I have completed DA2 about 6-7 times and have a lot of toons in act 2. DAO I only completed once

Yes, your preference for DA2 is well known. But it's irrelevant since pretty much everyone agrees that DA2 ends the same way regardless of your choices and Bioware's own data shows that most people don't finish their games.

Oddly enough a lot more people finish DA2 than they finish Origin.

Not more people, just a higher percentage. And other gamers I know who played both attributed that to DA2 being much shorter. A friend of mine that I actually bought Origins for never finished it because it was too long for him, but when he borrowed DA2 he finished it in about a week. Did he like it more? Not really. He said it felt like half of game, ironically.

Renmiri1 wrote...As for party banter,  you either play a lot of DA2 or you do this:  go to the Hanged man and keep on picking Lowton / Hightown until the party stops "bantering", then switch one party member. I did that to get scenes for my videos.

Yeah, that doesn't make it any better. Content that should accessible to the player is locked away and dolled out randomly.

DA2 was easier to get into and play for new people, and DAO had a puzzle in it plus it had the fade section to get through which some people might not have liked.  I myself really enjoy the fade section.  I remember trying to skip that part with different party members thinking they wouldn't go to sleep.  like Dog and Shale ha ha.

Modifié par cJohnOne, 12 septembre 2012 - 04:00 .

[ElitePinecone]

nooneknows wrote...

Talking to Origins characters in conversations, hearing them tell the Warden those fun facts and stories gave depth not only to the character, but also to their relationship to the protagonist, which is what - in my opinion - DA2 lacked.

Agreed - though I did enjoy Varric's poignant reflection on Hawke in the inn (I think it was in Act 3?). 

Conversations are almost as much about defining the protagonist as they are about characterisation, and I felt part of why I felt such dissonance wih Hawke was the absence of these chances to respond to companions and help shape the player character. We had a couple of 'investigate' options and one or two significant dialogue choices per conversation, but it felt like that incidental stuff (or thoughts about life, the universe and everything) was lacking in DA2.

[Melca36]

Renmiri1 wrote...

I have completed DA2 about 6-7 times and have a lot of toons in act 2. DAO I only completed once

I completed Origins 12 times and DA:2 6 times.

[Melca36]

cJohnOne wrote...


DA2 was easier to get into and play for new people, and DAO had a puzzle in it plus it had the fade section to get through which some people might not have liked.  I myself really enjoy the fade section.  I remember trying to skip that part with different party members thinking they wouldn't go to sleep.  like Dog and Shale ha ha.

For $60 I want more than a 15 minute Deep Roads and more than a 15 minute Fade sequence.

I probably would have raised my rating from 7 to higher if the game had more depth to it.

[Melca36]

Renmiri1 wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Yeah, but was there only as much as DA2? You get 1 or 2 conversations about your companions lives each act. You can have that many or near that many conversations with each Origins companion right from the start and more become available as the game/relationship moves along.

You actually have almost as much dialog in DA2, but you need several playthroughs to get all. And you need to rotate your party a lot.

"click-to-talk", "click-to-kiss" was easier 

But it lacked depth. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the game & rated it  a 7/10 but Origins will ALWAYS be the better game.


You do realize DA:3 is supposed to be a better compromise between the two don't you?  And I would not be expecting the same sort of hack and slash combat since its been mentioned its going to be changed.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

So, haven't been here in a while, any news since last week or so? Any new leaks, maybe?

[lex0r11]

There is only one person I need to see.

[sangy]

Nothing official yet, but nice to see tidbits on what's in the works. I'm very excited to see a DA3. Hopefully by the end of the year something will be announced. Though, I'm pretty sure they're working hard on DA everyday. It should be epic.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

So... the German DA facebook just confirmed that the next game will be Dragon Age: Inquisition

[Personality Disorder]

I don't know if this has been posted here yet, but here is your official word people:

http://www.gameinfor...nquisition.aspx

Modifié par Personality Disorder, 17 septembre 2012 - 03:51 .

[Blackrising]

Holy ****. DA 3: Inquisition?
So the leaks were legit. O.o

Holy damn, I just can't. I'm flailing too damn hard right now.

[EricHVela]

Blackrising wrote...

Holy ****. DA 3: Inquisition?
So the leaks were legit. O.o

Holy damn, I just can't. I'm flailing too damn hard right now.

My body and brain are too exhausted, and yet my mind is flailing about. (I blame twitter. They're just so excitied. It's contagious.)