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[CronoDragoon]

jtav wrote...

I've heard many people complain about having to kill the geth and EDI to destroy the Reapers. So let's propose an alternate. At 3100 EMS, the beam can be focused to destroy only the Reapers. However, this also destroys Shepard's implants and makes another Lazarus impossible. Shepard is gone for good. Or he can choose the more generalized wave, which he will survive. If the player chooses survival, both the death of synthetics and the reunion with the crew is shown.

Yes, I'm asking players to choose between their life and synthetics.

This would have been much better. Destroy is still balanced with the other endings, but now a game in which you made peace between the geth and quarians yet still want to destroy the Reapers makes sense. However, instead of the implant thing, I'd find some other way to kill Shepard for good so that it doesn't sound so contrived. Like, he gets vaporized by the platform exploding or something.

[tholloway93]

LilLino wrote...

Bioware went for Geth&Edi to make it a harder choice. Most people would sacrifice Shep I think, myself included.

Besides it'd be copy paste Self-Destruct from Deus Ex Human Revolution. Like they didn't copy DE enough.

just finished deus ex today; boy do i understand the comparisons now lol

[JeffZero]

CronoDragoon wrote...

jtav wrote...

I've heard many people complain about having to kill the geth and EDI to destroy the Reapers. So let's propose an alternate. At 3100 EMS, the beam can be focused to destroy only the Reapers. However, this also destroys Shepard's implants and makes another Lazarus impossible. Shepard is gone for good. Or he can choose the more generalized wave, which he will survive. If the player chooses survival, both the death of synthetics and the reunion with the crew is shown.

Yes, I'm asking players to choose between their life and synthetics.

This would have been much better. Destroy is still balanced with the other endings, but now a game in which you made peace between the geth and quarians yet still want to destroy the Reapers makes sense. However, instead of the implant thing, I'd find some other way to kill Shepard for good so that it doesn't sound so contrived. Like, he gets vaporized by the platform exploding or something.

"We have a tight beam that doesn't blast through this secret area but does fire quite indiscriminately out into the galaxy, and we have a wide beam that is far less inquisitive of all things Reaper tech, striking only the galaxy's Reapers themselves, but it's pretty fat and kills you too."

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

Destroy no matter the consequences has the least offensive consequences. I said it time and time again, even if Destroy wiped out all life for that cycle I'd still choose it.

[Giga Drill BREAKER]

tholloway93 wrote...

LilLino wrote...

Bioware went for Geth&Edi to make it a harder choice. Most people would sacrifice Shep I think, myself included.

Besides it'd be copy paste Self-Destruct from Deus Ex Human Revolution. Like they didn't copy DE enough.

just finished deus ex today; boy do i understand the comparisons now lol

Except the Deus EX HR's ending actually suited the overall theme of the plot.

[JeffZero]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If I wanted the self-sacrificial Space Jesus ending, I'd have picked Paragon Control.

I choose life.

Change "geth and EDI" to "quarians and turians". Do you still feel the same way?

Well sure, you up the costs ridiculously high enough and eventually I'd cave. Wouldn't make Shepard killing him/herself any less of a contrived and ridiculous thing though, or make me think it's in any way a satisfying end to the character.

Fair enough.

[fiendishchicken]

JeffZero wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If I wanted the self-sacrificial Space Jesus ending, I'd have picked Paragon Control.

I choose life.

Change "geth and EDI" to "quarians and turians". Do you still feel the same way?

Well sure, you up the costs ridiculously high enough and eventually I'd cave. Wouldn't make Shepard killing him/herself any less of a contrived and ridiculous thing though, or make me think it's in any way a satisfying end to the character.

Fair enough.

Change it to Quarians and Vorcha. My Shepard would practically run to the tube. And start shooting. And he wouldn't stop shooting. And he'd take joyous delight that makes the catalyst stand next to him and say, wow that's bad.

[JeffZero]

fiendishchicken wrote...
Change it to Quarians and Vorcha. My Shepard would practically run to the tube. And start shooting. And he wouldn't stop shooting. And he'd take joyous delight that makes the catalyst stand next to him and say, wow that's bad.

Shepard: "You tell Vorcha I kill all of them. You tell them, 'they talk too much. They leave.'"

[BD Manchild]

I actually wouldn't mind that. It would be an interesting social experiment, and at least if Shepard sacrifices herself it's her choice to do so, rather than dooming a race that gets no say in whether they want to be butchered for the "greater good".

[Juggle]

Sacrifice or survival? Yeah, well... then I choose "switch off the game"

For me Shepard death is a problem. But for my Shepard it's a problem to commit genocide. I chose synthesis twice (with EC and without). Shepard was killed, everyone's happy and I felt like as if I kill the dog. Then I chose destroy and feel the same Um, never touch the game since. And unlikely will in the future.

Other than that I have many other claims to the endings. Space magic, religious symbolism, god-like-child and synthetics vs. organics. Lack of reunion however not a problem at all.

Modifié par JDeelane, 15 août 2012 - 04:39 .

[xsdob]

This seems like a pretty good idea, not bad. You do know that people would still complain about not sacrificing the geth AND getting to live though right? It's just the nature of some people, granted the numbers would be a hell of a lot less than what they are now.

[Ithurael]

jtav wrote...

I've heard many people complain about having to kill the geth and EDI to destroy the Reapers. So let's propose an alternate. At 3100 EMS, the beam can be focused to destroy only the Reapers. However, this also destroys Shepard's implants and makes another Lazarus impossible. Shepard is gone for good. Or he can choose the more generalized wave, which he will survive. If the player chooses survival, both the death of synthetics and the reunion with the crew is shown.

Yes, I'm asking players to choose between their life and synthetics.

It isn't like we get anything more than an ambiguous breath scene at the end of high ems destroy anyway..

Still a tough decision. However, it interferes and breaks the Catalyst's Central conflict it forced on us in the final minutes of the game. The "solution" we choose affects the old solution (the reapers) but is, in effect, a way to solve the problem of organics being killed by synthetics.

[Brother Takka]

The Geth and EDI have Reaper code. I pick destroy everytime. Who to say a few years maybe hundreds. The Geth or EDI become the new reapers. I'd wipe them all out to insure that the Reapers do not return.

[danby]

jtav wrote...

I've heard many people complain about having to kill the geth and EDI to destroy the Reapers. So let's propose an alternate. At 3100 EMS, the beam can be focused to destroy only the Reapers. However, this also destroys Shepard's implants and makes another Lazarus impossible. Shepard is gone for good. Or he can choose the more generalized wave, which he will survive. If the player chooses survival, both the death of synthetics and the reunion with the crew is shown.

Yes, I'm asking players to choose between their life and synthetics.

And lets make rainbows everywhere and everyone wins the lottery.   Not going to happen.

[clennon8]

It appears a lot of people are pretty torn. I guess I'm not surprised.

I don't see this as all that tough of a decision for most of my Sheps, though. I'll give up the blue babies or house on Rannoch if it means the Reapers are gone and the geth and EDI get to keep living. I would largely be satisfied if this were an option.

[Feanor_II]

Flog61 wrote...

I like the idea of sacrifice to get the best endings.

Especially since both EDI and the geth say they would die to end the war. They died noble heroes.

+1, but I expected a certain degree of devastation because of the raw destructive wave..... IMO EC softened what I imagined from the original ending...... I mean, the brat says something about "technological damages" but that they could be fixed, I thought they would be more severe

[Xamufam]

Only if it's done properly

Lessons from Sherlock Holmes: How do you kill your hero?
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[Bill Casey]

No brainer...
Pick destroy and sacrifice myself...

[Lionel Ou]

I didn't like the martyr story in the control or synthesis ending, don't think I'd like it in the destroy ending. The religious symbolism is bad enough as it is.

At least it would be consistent though.

[MegaSovereign]

This would be a fine alternative, however they'd need to explain how the hell that's even possible.

[MegaSovereign]

JeffZero wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

jtav wrote...

I've heard many people complain about having to kill the geth and EDI to destroy the Reapers. So let's propose an alternate. At 3100 EMS, the beam can be focused to destroy only the Reapers. However, this also destroys Shepard's implants and makes another Lazarus impossible. Shepard is gone for good. Or he can choose the more generalized wave, which he will survive. If the player chooses survival, both the death of synthetics and the reunion with the crew is shown.

Yes, I'm asking players to choose between their life and synthetics.

This would have been much better. Destroy is still balanced with the other endings, but now a game in which you made peace between the geth and quarians yet still want to destroy the Reapers makes sense. However, instead of the implant thing, I'd find some other way to kill Shepard for good so that it doesn't sound so contrived. Like, he gets vaporized by the platform exploding or something.

"We have a tight beam that doesn't blast through this secret area but does fire quite indiscriminately out into the galaxy, and we have a wide beam that is far less inquisitive of all things Reaper tech, striking only the galaxy's Reapers themselves, but it's pretty fat and kills you too."

Or perhaps instead of shooting at the power conduit, Shepard needs to calibrate them. However, he doesn't have enough time to escape the central explosion on the Citadel.

It'd be like the Tuchanka: Bomb mission.

"Victory....at any cost"

[Archontor]

MegaSovereign wrote...

This would be a fine alternative, however they'd need to explain how the hell that's even possible.

Perhaps in order to save non-reaper AIs using reaper tech they need an example of hybridised techonolhy. It's a running thetory that some of the parts Shep use are reaper based. The catalyst could explain that they need to disect those to calibrate it properly. I think seeing your Shep's face as they close thier eys one last time would be pretty effective.