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[Fawx9]

Sure I'd choose to sacrifice myself, but you're somewhat forgetting something here, if Green space magic and Control and indeed to be taken a face value (as in happy pony land and super nice overlord) doesn't that make Destroy have little upside in comparison?

The other two endings at least come close to dealing with the star brats problem (again taken at face value with no thinking). Green deals with it completely while Control deals with it slightly less efficiently with the super space police. They also have the bonus of having Reaper knowledge and the Reapers help to rebuild things.

Destroy in this scenario has no upsides to really compare with those two. There is no Reaper space police, and no extra help to rebuild.

Is the cost of destroying the reapers so high that Shepard can't live, an uncertain future and no help in restoring the galactic community?

This cost only makes sense if somehow you think Shepard = galactic stability + a huge amount of knoweldge from the past cycles.

Modifié par Fawx9, 15 août 2012 - 05:44 .

[RenegonSQ]

My Shepard won't die for machines. It's just not gonna happen.

[3DandBeyond]

I created a thread similar to this some time ago with an idea that some might find interesting.

It's a way that EMS could be used to make destroy work "correctly" since the crucible is not finished or intact.

http://social.biowar...ndex/13637898/1

And I suddenly keep hearing that the geth and EDI are a necessary price to have to pay, and now it's Shepard dying is a price you have to pay.  Compared to the price already paid, that's a drop in the bucket, but it's like thinking you have to make a sacrifice to the gods or something.  No, the price has been paid repeatedly.  It's time for the kid and the reapers to pay the price.

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 15 août 2012 - 05:53 .

[TNT1991]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If I wanted the self-sacrificial Space Jesus ending, I'd have picked Paragon Control.

I choose life.

[Iakus]

We already have plenty of endings where Shepard dies. If I wanted that, I'd pick one of them.

Why make it a clean sweep? Why not simply make it "geth alive, EDI alive, SHepard alive, galaxy is trashed"?

[clennon8]

This should be an actual poll.

I having a feeling the "I want Shep to live" choice would be winning.

[3DandBeyond]

I once saw a movie before where a really good guy, a hero, loved by his friends, sees everything is in chaos and bad guys are about to destroy everything he holds dear and he decides the only thing he can do is die so everyone else can live. And then I saw the same thing about a hundred times more in movies with different names, different bad guys, different places, and a hero who has to die just because. And I rarely saw any of those movies more than once. And any games like this I never finished more than once.

Then I saw a movie where there's a really good guy, a true hero, loved by friends, fights bad guys, everything's in chaos and all is about to be lost, and the hero tried to give his life so that all might live, and then the hero lived too. And then I saw that same thing in about a hundred more movies and as games and the names and scenarios where changed. And I went back and saw some of those movies 6 times and watch some of them every time they are on tv and I played the games with similar endings repeatedly because the endings were satisfying and fun and uplifting. And millions of people do the same. Why? Because uplifting endings are way more popular than are grim dark ones. And if they are that means people actually want "happier" endings (not the proverbial bunnies and rainbows necessarily, though there is nothing wrong with that).

Human nature is a funny thing. People will often say one thing and do another, but will persist in believing and asserting the thing they don't do is true, because it seems right. Dark isn't art, say it with me.

It's actually easier to write that a hero died than it is to write about one that lives, because people do not want to be seen as cheesy or immature or anything like that. And any actor will tell you that comedy is far harder to "do" than is drama.

I wouldn't presume to tell anyone what they like if they want sad endings, but if that's true then it wouldn't matter if one happier ending existed-they'd never choose it and wouldn't be forced to. They could keep their sad ending and enjoy it.

[T-Raks]

tyrvas wrote...

I will always pick destroy, high, low or no EMS at all.

[Feanor_II]

Synthesis, Control, Destryo.... don't care, just play this at the end

www.youtube.com/watch

[dreman9999]

MattFini wrote...

My problem was never, EVER that Shepard dies at the end of Mass Effect 3.

My problem is that Shepard doesn't die on his own terms. When I beat DA:O, I actually chose to sacrifice my warden and I still felt awesome afterwards - it was my choice to make, after all (and I could've obtained victory another way - also on my terms).

But the ME3's climax is just so absurd that I chose destroy because the other choices keep the damn reapers around - and because I like living in that scenario. Because it feels like the only way to spite the stupid StarChild and his junk conditions.

1. You pick how he dies.
2. In high ems destory , he lives.

[noxsachi]

I'd still pick the option that lets Shepard live. Largely because its coming from the Catalyst. Anything it says is suspect, hell Destroy is too, but Destroy is also the only ending that actually kills the damn Reapers. So I'd never trust the Starbrat if it said Shepard could save EDI/Geth in the first place, but also because I have never entirely been about self-sacrificing characters. I don't think they are interesting. It's always more interesting to see a character make a third option themselves than just accept what is given, especially if what is given is death.

Now if Shepard came up with a way to save EDI/Geth on her own, maybe it'd be an interesting choice and one I'd have to think about, but if it comes from starbrat the answer remains "Go to hell."

[dreman9999]

noxsachi wrote...

I'd still pick the option that lets Shepard live. Largely because its coming from the Catalyst. Anything it says is suspect, hell Destroy is too, but Destroy is also the only ending that actually kills the damn Reapers. So I'd never trust the Starbrat if it said Shepard could save EDI/Geth in the first place, but also because I have never entirely been about self-sacrificing characters. I don't think they are interesting. It's always more interesting to see a character make a third option themselves than just accept what is given, especially if what is given is death.

Now if Shepard came up with a way to save EDI/Geth on her own, maybe it'd be an interesting choice and one I'd have to think about, but if it comes from starbrat the answer remains "Go to hell."

That just the character coming up with a dem.

[noxsachi]

dreman9999 wrote...
That just the character coming up with a dem.

DEM?

[Lilihierax Krinik]

It would be an ending even more non-sensical than before, but however, if this was possible, instead of control I'd take destruction and sacrifice Shepard, because I don't want to see the geth die.

[CronoDragoon]

dreman9999 wrote...

That just the character coming up with a dem.

If the character comes up with it, then it's not a Deus Ex Machina.

[noxsachi]

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That just the character coming up with a dem.

If the character comes up with it, then it's not a Deus Ex Machina.

Ah, that's what he meant. Also a character coming up with a sacrifice is far better than their enemy and nemsis suggesting they die. Spock's death in Wrath of Khan was all through his own voilition. Kirk didn't order him, and there certainly wasn't a ghost of Khan telling Spock what he had to do. That made his sacrifice have weight and meaning.

[AxStapleton]

I thought you were actually going to make it interesting.

[dreman9999]

noxsachi wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That just the character coming up with a dem.

DEM?

deus ex machina.

[dreman9999]

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That just the character coming up with a dem.

If the character comes up with it, then it's not a Deus Ex Machina.

If the character come up with it with no logic pointing to the option ...It is a dem.

[Zardoc]

JeffZero wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If I wanted the self-sacrificial Space Jesus ending, I'd have picked Paragon Control.

I choose life.

Change "geth and EDI" to "quarians and turians". Do you still feel the same way?

Why not throw in the krogan and asari for good measure?

[noxsachi]

Zardoc wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

If I wanted the self-sacrificial Space Jesus ending, I'd have picked Paragon Control.

I choose life.

Change "geth and EDI" to "quarians and turians". Do you still feel the same way?

Why not throw in the krogan and asari for good measure?

Killing the asari is an incentive though...

[dreman9999]

noxsachi wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That just the character coming up with a dem.

If the character comes up with it, then it's not a Deus Ex Machina.

Ah, that's what he meant. Also a character coming up with a sacrifice is far better than their enemy and nemsis suggesting they die. Spock's death in Wrath of Khan was all through his own voilition. Kirk didn't order him, and there certainly wasn't a ghost of Khan telling Spock what he had to do. That made his sacrifice have weight and meaning.

You taking about the same death that ended up with him comign back alive...Added, Spocks death is not an exampleof the third way. That just someone else doing sacrific instead.

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

That just the character coming up with a dem.

Oh I'm sorry, are 3 DEMs your hard coded limit?

[CronoDragoon]

dreman9999 wrote...
If the character come up with it with no logic pointing to the option ...It is a dem.

Can you please show me an example of the main character resolving the plot without logic that is considered a DEM?