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[CronoDragoon]

The Angry One wrote...

Yep, you're reaching for minor flaws and inconsistencies, thus proving my point.
The suicide mission is tied to player agency. Maybe it wouldn't work in a movie, but this is a videogame, videogames have their own rules and the more flexible they make the narrative in a game that's supposed to be influenced by player choice, the better. Something Walters completely disregarded.

Yes the human Reaper was silly. I'm not going to defend it. It just wasn't completely lore breaking.

Saren was never 100% indoctrinated, that was the whole point of his research into indoctrination.
He's able to find a little bit of resistance at the end there because he realises he's losing the battle and he'll be Sovereign's puppet.

1. They are minor flaws because they didn't bother you. And you can't use player agency as an excuse when the original challenge was to find flaws that someone analyzing the endings as a form of lliterature would criticize. Looking at it as a game, it's fine.

2. Even if we are to believe Saren wasn't indoctrinated at the beginning of the game, he sure as hell would have been after Sovereign made sure to "upgrade" him prior to the ending.

3. How about explaining how liquifying billions of individuals into their genetic material and integrating it into a mechanical structure gives that structure a race's memories/culture/consciousness? I mean, at least Assassin's Creed gave a half-assed explanation.

Saying "these flaws aren't as terrible as ME3's flaws" doesn't mean the other endings are good, only not as terrible as 3.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 15 août 2012 - 09:08 .

[MattFini]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

It looks like this is set to paint the Reapers as fallible.

I'd say that's a good thing.

When weren't they fallible though?

I think he's referring to StarChild's justification that the reapers do what they do because of the cycles of extinction. 

I know a lot of us don't believe the StarChild, or accept his 'logic', but the game, so far, has presented him in a way that makes it seem like his solution is a necessary evil.

So Leviathan might cement the fact that StarChild is off his damn rocker (again, a lot of us already believe this to be the case).

[The Angry One]

CronoDragoon wrote...

1. They are minor flaws because they didn't bother you. And you can't use player agency as an excuse when the original challenge was to find flaws that someone analyzing the endings as a form of lliterature would criticize. Looking at it as a game, it's fine.

No, they're minor flaws because they're minor.
And anyone looking at the game would have to take into account that, you know, it's a game just as every single person who has criticised the ending has done, literature major or not.

2. Even if we are to believe Saren wasn't indoctrinated at the beginning of the game, he sure as hell would have been after Sovereign made sure to "upgrade" him prior to the ending.

There are degrees of indoctrination. From full puppet to almost autonomous. Resistance is possible, it just causes pain. Eventually the victim gives up. Saren is clearly in pain at the end of his convo with Shepard, he's trying to resist and seeing he can't for much longer, hence he uses his last bit of energy to shoot himself.

Saying "these flaws aren't as terrible as ME3's flaws" doesn't mean the other endings are good, only not as terrible as 3.

They're not terrible at all, they're only noticable if you nitpick. ME3's flaws might as well be lit up with giant neon signs, they are glaring and they are unacceptable.

Modifié par The Angry One, 15 août 2012 - 09:07 .

[JBONE29]

And on that date I'll be playing Guild Wars 2.

[MattFini]

IsaacShep wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I'd say two months actually. In the EC they had the leviathan files stored and leviathan comes out roughly two months since the EC. Omega was in the firfight pack, so probably october 7th or so is when we'll get to have it, maybe later but deffinatly in november.

And as a fun game, we should datamine leviathan for the next hint at future dlc.

haha yes, I can't wait to datamine Leviathan files!

Nice.  I always look forward to the results of datamines!  

[Mazebook]

@ angry one... would you please stop derailing this thread.

This is about Leviathan and the date it´s releases. The quality of the ending of ME 3, ME 2 or ME 1 have nothing to do with that...

It only stirres up useless unrelated discussions , we all had a million times over again.

would you be so kind?

Modifié par maaaze, 15 août 2012 - 09:09 .

[TNT1991]

Hannah Montana wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm excited.

My wallet, and body, are ready.

My body is ready for Dawnguard. 

Dawnguard wasn't that great...then again, "Vanilla" Skyrim wasn't that great to begin with. >.>;

[AresKeith]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yep, you're reaching for minor flaws and inconsistencies, thus proving my point.
The suicide mission is tied to player agency. Maybe it wouldn't work in a movie, but this is a videogame, videogames have their own rules and the more flexible they make the narrative in a game that's supposed to be influenced by player choice, the better. Something Walters completely disregarded.

Yes the human Reaper was silly. I'm not going to defend it. It just wasn't completely lore breaking.

Saren was never 100% indoctrinated, that was the whole point of his research into indoctrination.
He's able to find a little bit of resistance at the end there because he realises he's losing the battle and he'll be Sovereign's puppet.

1. They are minor flaws because they didn't bother you. And you can't use player agency as an excuse when the original challenge was to find flaws that someone analyzing the endings as a form of lliterature would criticize. Looking at it as a game, it's fine.

2. Even if we are to believe Saren wasn't indoctrinated at the beginning of the game, he sure as hell would have been after Sovereign made sure to "upgrade" him prior to the ending.

Saying "these flaws aren't as terrible as ME3's flaws" doesn't mean the other endings are good, only not as terrible as 3.

1. If you didn't want all of your squad to live then don't do all of their loyalty missions, or give them the wrong orders during the Suicide mission, its that easy. There's nothing wrong with getting a good ending for doing everything right for the Suicide mission

2. Saren would have been a braindead thrall if he was fully indoctrinated, he still had some control until he died, thats why Sovereign turned into a super husk

they aren't flaws

sry to the OP

Modifié par AresKeith, 15 août 2012 - 09:13 .

[SKiLLYWiLLY2]

Diablo 3 1.04 patch is also released on the 28th I believe. Some of the new legendary items look like fun and farming/playing in a group should also be a lot more fun now.

Sorry, off topic :/

Modifié par SKiLLYWiLLY2, 15 août 2012 - 09:14 .

[Morty Smith]

Youtube.

[goose2989]

I'm going to wait and see what all the rest of you rubes think of it before I buy it

[phat0817]

TNT1991 wrote...

Hannah Montana wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

I'm excited.

My wallet, and body, are ready.

My body is ready for Dawnguard. 

Dawnguard wasn't that great...then again, "Vanilla" Skyrim wasn't that great to begin with. >.>;

Difference of opinion I enjoyed Dawnguard felt was worth the money I spend for it.

[The Angry One]

maaaze wrote...

@ angry one... would you please stop derailing this thread.

This is about Leviathan and the date it´s releases. The quality of the ending of ME 3, ME 2 or ME 1 have nothing to do with that...

It only stirres up useless unrelated discussions , we all had a million times over again.

would you be so kind?

As I said, Leviathan is directly connected to the ending and thus anything said about the ending is relevant.

phat0817 wrote...

Difference of opinion I enjoyed Dawnguard felt was worth the money I spend for it.

I find Dawnguard enjoyable... well, enjoyable after I replaced the Vampire Lord model with something that didn't make my eyes bleed.

Modifié par The Angry One, 15 août 2012 - 09:21 .

[CTWraith]

I'm probably going to pass on this DLC to be honest since I see no point in adding it to my playthroughs. I'm a destroyer, and as such, even IF Leviathan is a part of my war assets with the DLC, he'll be sacrificed along with EDI and the Geth.

As for any addition to the story/lore, there's always YouTube and the Mass Effect Wiki. I doubt I'll be missing out on much.

[Mazebook]

The Angry One wrote...

maaaze wrote...

@ angry one... would you please stop derailing this thread.

This is about Leviathan and the date it´s releases. The quality of the ending of ME 3, ME 2 or ME 1 have nothing to do with that...

It only stirres up useless unrelated discussions , we all had a million times over again.

would you be so kind?

As I said, Leviathan is directly connected to the ending and thus anything said about the ending is relevant.

I asked you kindly...if you need to make these connections , just make a new thread were you can rage on however you like.

please 

Modifié par maaaze, 15 août 2012 - 09:28 .

[phat0817]

The Angry One wrote...

phat0817 wrote...

Difference of opinion I enjoyed Dawnguard felt was worth the money I spend for it.

I find Dawnguard enjoyable... well, enjoyable after I replaced the Vampire Lord model with something that didn't make my eyes bleed.

Hahaha what mod did you go with to do that if I may ask? It was also one of main reasons I didn't go vampire myself

[MegaSovereign]

Not gonna call out names, but to those who have already decided that the DLC is stupid before it's released:

Let me tell you. You're not going to like it. Not because it's actually that bad. No...You won't like it because you're going to actively scavenge for reasons to hate it.

This mentality is incredibly unhealthy.

[The Angry One]

phat0817 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

phat0817 wrote...

Difference of opinion I enjoyed Dawnguard felt was worth the money I spend for it.

I find Dawnguard enjoyable... well, enjoyable after I replaced the Vampire Lord model with something that didn't make my eyes bleed.

Hahaha what mod did you go with to do that if I may ask? It was also one of main reasons I didn't go vampire myself

I did it manually with a dark knight-ish looking model from another mod, I can PM you the link if you want.

[jijeebo]

Whoop whoop, I am super stoked.

Gonna be amazeballs! xD

[MegaSovereign]

Leaked files said Leviathan is the Catalyst's failed attempt at Synthesis, I think?

I don't think this creature is actually a Reaper, either way. Probably as big as one, though.

[GennadiosMxms]

Maybe I'll work on that SP campaign I started before EC.

Then maybe I'll watch the ending on youtube when it's released and not care enough to find the dlc worth getting or continuing the playthrough.

[CoolioThane]

Leave shepdog alone! He's just a fan like you and me

[V-rcingetorix]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Not gonna call out names, but to those who have already decided that the DLC is stupid before it's released:

Let me tell you. You're not going to like it. Not because it's actually that bad. No...You won't like it because you're going to actively scavenge for reasons to hate it.

This mentality is incredibly unhealthy.

Actually logical thought...thank you. "If you plan to fail, you will fail."

However, my reason for not getting Leviathan DLC is not based on the epicness of the DLC, but on whether it will add to the ending.

Frankly, I thoroughly enjoyed all the game previous to the ending, from "We Fight or We Die" to aboutish "Someone Made IT IN"...just about to that point (pre EC as well).

Suicide, suicide and suicide (maybe?) just tends to dampen my enthusiasm for re-reading the story for some reason.

[shepskisaac]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Leaked files said Leviathan is the Catalyst's failed attempt at Synthesis, I think?

No, they didn't. It was just a fan interpretation someone posted on the boards

[Baa Baa]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Leaked files said Leviathan is the Catalyst's failed attempt at Synthesis, I think?

I don't think this creature is actually a Reaper, either way. Probably as big as one, though.

I hope it's not a Reaper....
If so, they could really go ham on the size of this Leviathan....