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[CronoDragoon]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The endings are the product of bad writing, that is a fact. Ask anyone with a degree in literature if you don't believe me.

None of the Mass Effect games have good endings if we're going to delve into it as much as someone with a lit degree would. The first two are emotionally satisfying, but that's different.

[The Angry One]

Whether you like it or not this DLC is related to the ending, so the ending is going to come into any discussion about it.
When they release a DLC that has nothing to do with the ending then you can complain about people talking about it.

[phat0817]

I'm going to wait awhile and let the reviews here on the bsn come out decide if dcl is worth the time..sorry I don't entirely trust Bioware anymore to go day one with any of there products anymore.

[shepskisaac]

So, whe do you guys think Omega will come out then? Early November?

[The Angry One]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The endings are the product of bad writing, that is a fact. Ask anyone with a degree in literature if you don't believe me.

None of the Mass Effect games have good endings if we're going to delve into it as much as someone with a lit degree would. The first two are emotionally satisfying, but that's different.

Yes, they do. You do not have to delve very far to see what's wrong with ME3's ending. It fails on the most basic levels of storytelling.

[shepdog77]

IsaacShep wrote...

So, whe do you guys think Omega will come out then? Early November?

Yep, I'd give it 3 months, so the end of November/early December.

That's assuming it'll be Omega though.  Could be something else.

[AresKeith]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The endings are the product of bad writing, that is a fact. Ask anyone with a degree in literature if you don't believe me.

None of the Mass Effect games have good endings if we're going to delve into it as much as someone with a lit degree would. The first two are emotionally satisfying, but that's different.

the first two also leads into the next game, while the third one ends the Shepard arc

Modifié par AresKeith, 15 août 2012 - 08:30 .

[tettenjager]

/ignore haters, they'll go away eventually

[Torrible]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

xsdob wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

xsdob wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I'm judging it so far on the fact that all previous DLC's have been an excellent purchase for me.
If Weekes has written it, it should be good anyway.

Having Weekes write a story that must conform to Walters' ending is like getting a highly adept construction firm to build a house on a foundation of mud.
Sure, it could be the best house in the world.. but it's still built on mud.

Actaully, it seems more like it's building it in a place with a view some people don't like. Some people love the view, others like it, some poeple think it's okay, others think it's bad and they can live with it, and others think it's a deal breaker and want the whole site moved.

See, a much better completely different anaology than what you used.

Fixed.

Okay than, please enlighten me on how my analogy is less correct than the angryone's? Or am I missing the fixed part of that and what I typed was just not appropriate in your eyes?

I have a hard time telling which is which.

Her analogy was rooted in fact.

Your analogy was rooted in opinion.

The endings are the product of bad writing, that is a fact. Ask anyone with a degree in literature if you don't believe me.

The endings are bad, that doesn't mean that people can't like them.

Explain how analogies can be rooted in fact? If I state that your comment is mud, is that based on fact?

Since when did anyone with a degree in literature write anything remotely popular? Since when did their opinion matter to the average gamer? They can take their degree and stuff it where the sun doesn't shine. I have enough with the pretentious lit majors, fan fic writers and what not.

[clarkusdarkus]

jlmaclachlan wrote...

Does the DLC affect the ending???? Otherwise what's the point? (assuming the current ending/s ruin the series for you)

Adds a few more sentances with starbrat of which he'll explain something else contrived no doubt....

[CronoDragoon]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes, they do. You do not have to delve very far to see what's wrong with ME3's ending. It fails on the most basic levels of storytelling.

That ME3's ending is indisputably the worst has nothing to do with whether or not the first two games' endings would be considered good by professional analysts.

[xsdob]

phat0817 wrote...

I'm going to wait awhile and let the reviews here on the bsn come out decide if dcl is worth the time..sorry I don't entirely trust Bioware anymore to go day one with any of there products anymore.

We need some disgruntled fans to sacrifice their money and play it or play it at a friends house or something. As it stands if only people who want the dlc play it, their reviews might not be accurate to what the people waiting for the reviews think.

Just my thoughts on the matter, better than letting only people who like the game play it and than the people who don't play it and get pissed off the reviews didn't match what they got.

[shepskisaac]

shepdog77 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

So, whe do you guys think Omega will come out then? Early November?

Yep, I'd give it 3 months, so the end of November/early December.

That's assuming it'll be Omega though.  Could be something else.

It technically could be, but they already had file names for Omega levels along with Levi levels in Firefight's files. And those were new Omega level names, not from ME2 or cut ME3 stuff, so I'm rather sure Omega is already being prepared to follow Levi

[The Angry One]

CronoDragoon wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Yes, they do. You do not have to delve very far to see what's wrong with ME3's ending. It fails on the most basic levels of storytelling.

That ME3's ending is indisputably the worst has nothing to do with whether or not the first two games' endings would be considered good by professional analysts.

Well you tell me, what overwhelming, narrative violating flaws are there in ME1 and ME2's endings that could be easily exposed by a casual glance at the ending?

[shepdog77]

IsaacShep wrote...
It technically could be, but they already had file names for Omega levels along with Levi levels in Firefight's files. And those were new Omega level names, not from ME2 or cut ME3 stuff, so I'm rather sure Omega is already being prepared to follow Levi

Oh, I didn't realize there were files in Firefight.  That's awesome, I'm looking forward to taking back Omega 

[ioannisdenton]

alsonamedbort wrote...

SackofCat wrote...

Re: the image

Old stone age-looking cave painting depicting a reaper.
related to DLC about old reaper.

Symbolizing that reaper is old.

Just an idea.

I think you're on to something here.

Old reaper is old

[xsdob]

IsaacShep wrote...

shepdog77 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

So, whe do you guys think Omega will come out then? Early November?

Yep, I'd give it 3 months, so the end of November/early December.

That's assuming it'll be Omega though.  Could be something else.

It technically could be, but they already had file names for Omega levels along with Levi levels in Firefight's files. And those were new Omega level names, not from ME2 or cut ME3 stuff, so I'm rather sure Omega is already being prepared to follow Levi

I'd say two months actually. In the EC they had the leviathan files stored and leviathan comes out roughly two months since the EC. Omega was in the firfight pack, so probably october 7th or so is when we'll get to have it, maybe later but deffinatly in november.

And as a fun game, we should datamine leviathan for the next hint at future dlc.

[I SOLD MY SOUL TO BIOWARE]

Cool, looking forward to it.

[CronoDragoon]

The Angry One wrote...
Well you tell me, what overwhelming, narrative violating flaws are there in ME1 and ME2's endings that could be easily exposed by a casual glance at the ending?

Well, for one, the fact that it is possible for everyone to survive the Suicide Mission. It's emotionally satisfying and I feel like a total badass, but regarding it from a literary perspective it's pretty much a cop out. And why would the Reapers build ships in the shape of the original species? Why the Human Reaper?

There's also the fact that Saren can shoot himself, which is completely contradicted by what we know regarding Indoctrination from the official novels. Indoctrinated persons don't have the ability to do stuff that contradicts the Reapers' wishes.

Those are off the top of my head.

[alsonamedbort]

The Angry One wrote...

Whether you like it or not this DLC is related to the ending, so the ending is going to come into any discussion about it.
When they release a DLC that has nothing to do with the ending then you can complain about people talking about it.

I think that's fair, but there's a difference between bringing it into a discussion and completely derailing a discussion.  I'm not accusing you of doing that, but some people definitely do on a regular basis.

[shepskisaac]

shepdog77 wrote...
Oh, I didn't realize there were files in Firefight.  That's awesome, I'm looking forward to taking back Omega 

Yep, check here: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/323/index/13564528  It will also add Omega hub!!!  Also, 10 new War Assets were found in FIrefight files: social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/13596742 quite likely it means new side-quests in either new Citadel hub are in Levi DLC or in Omega hub in Omega DLC, or maybe both. We'll see, but this sure is very promising!

[phat0817]

[quote]xsdob wrote...

[quote]phat0817 wrote...

I'm going to wait awhile and let the reviews here on the bsn come out decide if dcl is worth the time..sorry I don't entirely trust Bioware anymore to go day one with any of there products anymore.[/quote]

We need some disgruntled fans to sacrifice their money and play it or play it at a friends house or something. As it stands if only people who want the dlc play it, their reviews might not be accurate to what the people waiting for the reviews think.

Just my thoughts on the matter, better than letting only people who like the game play it and than the people who don't play it and get pissed off the reviews didn't match what they got.[/quote]

The servery you posted showed like 700 people their buying the dcl day one Xsdob, I can't image them all liking the ending...so I think I might be able to get pretty good review from yea's but you could be right well see.


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Modifié par phat0817, 15 août 2012 - 09:04 .

[The Angry One]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Well, for one, the fact that it is possible for everyone to survive the Suicide Mission. It's emotionally satisfying and I feel like a total badass, but regarding it from a literary perspective it's pretty much a cop out. And why would the Reapers build ships in the shape of the original species? Why the Human Reaper?

Yep, you're reaching for minor flaws and inconsistencies, thus proving my point.
The suicide mission is tied to player agency. Maybe it wouldn't work in a movie, but this is a videogame, videogames have their own rules and the more flexible they make the narrative in a game that's supposed to be influenced by player choice, the better. Something Walters completely disregarded.

Yes the human Reaper was silly. I'm not going to defend it. It just wasn't completely lore breaking.

There's also the fact that Saren can shoot himself, which is completely contradicted by what we know regarding Indoctrination from the official novels. Indoctrinated persons don't have the ability to do stuff that contradicts the Reapers' wishes.

Those are off the top of my head.

Saren was never 100% indoctrinated, that was the whole point of his research into indoctrination.
He's able to find a little bit of resistance at the end there because he realises he's losing the battle and he'll be Sovereign's puppet.

Modifié par The Angry One, 15 août 2012 - 08:47 .

[Jamie9]

Welp, I just ordered myself some new surround sound speakers.

Hope Leviathan has an epic voice to test them out!

[shepskisaac]

xsdob wrote...

I'd say two months actually. In the EC they had the leviathan files stored and leviathan comes out roughly two months since the EC. Omega was in the firfight pack, so probably october 7th or so is when we'll get to have it, maybe later but deffinatly in november.

And as a fun game, we should datamine leviathan for the next hint at future dlc.

haha yes, I can't wait to datamine Leviathan files!