The Arch demon dies... Fereldan is safe... Shortest blight in the history of the world and you whine its not a happy ending? I disagree strongly.
DA:O is not a heroic fantasy game... It is suppose to be a dark fantasy game. Its not dark enough according to me though.
What kind of a heroic ending you want? Heroes of old sacrifice themselves for their love, common good and the like. I think you mean the "hollywood" type of happy ending. The type where everyone is happy riding off to the sunset in a pink Cadillac. I'm glad myself that DA:O is not ending in such cliché way.
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#102
Posté 24 décembre 2009 - 05:31
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Leifa wrote...
O.K. so thread not entirely done...
I think he's still in love with her and wants her back too...
He is convinced that Morrigan is a good person who is only acting out of desperation. That she is fighting for her life, and would have been much kinder have circumstances been different.
My take on Morrigan is that she's a product of her environment. Things like love, selflessness and gifts confuse her because the only relationship in her life up until she meets the PC has been with Flemeth. So when Morrigan speaks of power and survival she's really only repeating what she's been taught. The little girl who liked pretty things and wants to be loved is still in there, it's just she thinks it's a weakness of hers that should be stamped out. I don't even think she's unkind in game, just that she has no concept of social graces. If she thinks you're doing something foolish, she'll call you a fool rather than say "I think this is unwise, why don't we consider X instead?" So I tried to take her on her own terms and understand her intent rather than thinking "how rude!"
She and my mage were BFFs. Stupid Chantry.
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Posté 24 décembre 2009 - 05:33
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All i havfta say i hope she doesnt throw her back out bending down to Kiss my Dwarf next run
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Posté 25 décembre 2009 - 02:07
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[quote]Dzikv wrote...
The Arch demon dies... Fereldan is safe... Shortest blight in the history of the world and you whine its not a happy ending? I disagree strongly.[/quote]
And greetings to you!
Let me start by pointing out that sharing opinions, or asking for something in an intelligent and respectful manner, is not the same as whining. My posts are meant to be positive and encourage the largest exploitation possible of the material which was imagined for this game -- if you would have followed this entier thread, you would know that. :/
[quote]Dzikv wrote...
DA:O is not a heroic fantasy game... It is suppose to be a dark fantasy game. Its not dark enough according to me though.
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This, too, has been addressed already in this thread -- you might want to read it all.
As for your opinion that it's not dark enough, well you certainly are entitled to it. Though I may not always share them, I respect everyone's opinions.
[quote]Dzikv wrote...
What kind of a heroic ending you want? Heroes of old sacrifice themselves for their love, common good and the like. I think you mean the "hollywood" type of happy ending. The type where everyone is happy riding off to the sunset in a pink Cadillac. I'm glad myself that DA:O is not ending in such cliché way.[/quote]
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I must say this made my smile -- as if Hollywood has nice endings in their movies these days... Drama piled on drama is what we're getting.
But I get your point.
And again, this too has been addressed in this thread...
Although perhaps not is so many words.
What I have explained is that, IMHO, it's ok to make dark endings -- I get the whole sacrifice concept and even agree with it. It is indeed quite epic to live it.
As I've said previously, I will never forget the moment when Riordan died and I realized that there would be no future for Alistair and myself. That I would die. And I was ready to do it.
But, of course, I wasn't given the choice. Literally.
And that was all good (well it was sad, but something definitely epic and unforgettable, that I am glad I have experienced) -- but there is no reason that other endings could not exist. Morrigan's deal is there, is'n't it?
Well then, what if, for example, you gather all of Andraste's items, ask for every blessing you can, offer mercy to everyone and act with humility, so much so that she turns her eyes on you and decides to have mercy on you.
Or, if you are more Dark/blood oriented, it could be that by amassing certain items, perhaps sparing certain blood mages, and so on, you unlock another ending.
Many other scenarios/endings could thus be written -- and perhaps already exist; the lore is important enough in this game to provide for many of them.
Now don't tell me you would not like to go adventuring to find them all... Imagine having to work at it, brainstorming with the community to find all the ins and outs of a particular ending and finally making it in the end and getting fresh new dialogues, and perhaps even ending up at Weisshaupt Fortress for a final feast!
Wouldn't that be nice?
That is all I propose/wish for.
More candy for the brain!
PS: And that is not counting the quests to find another heir -- there may even be more than one candidate: King Maric, as we all know, was not a chaste man.
The Arch demon dies... Fereldan is safe... Shortest blight in the history of the world and you whine its not a happy ending? I disagree strongly.[/quote]
And greetings to you!
Let me start by pointing out that sharing opinions, or asking for something in an intelligent and respectful manner, is not the same as whining. My posts are meant to be positive and encourage the largest exploitation possible of the material which was imagined for this game -- if you would have followed this entier thread, you would know that. :/
[quote]Dzikv wrote...
DA:O is not a heroic fantasy game... It is suppose to be a dark fantasy game. Its not dark enough according to me though.
[/quote]
This, too, has been addressed already in this thread -- you might want to read it all.
As for your opinion that it's not dark enough, well you certainly are entitled to it. Though I may not always share them, I respect everyone's opinions.
[quote]Dzikv wrote...
What kind of a heroic ending you want? Heroes of old sacrifice themselves for their love, common good and the like. I think you mean the "hollywood" type of happy ending. The type where everyone is happy riding off to the sunset in a pink Cadillac. I'm glad myself that DA:O is not ending in such cliché way.[/quote]
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I must say this made my smile -- as if Hollywood has nice endings in their movies these days... Drama piled on drama is what we're getting.
But I get your point.
And again, this too has been addressed in this thread...
Although perhaps not is so many words.What I have explained is that, IMHO, it's ok to make dark endings -- I get the whole sacrifice concept and even agree with it. It is indeed quite epic to live it.
As I've said previously, I will never forget the moment when Riordan died and I realized that there would be no future for Alistair and myself. That I would die. And I was ready to do it.
But, of course, I wasn't given the choice. Literally.
And that was all good (well it was sad, but something definitely epic and unforgettable, that I am glad I have experienced) -- but there is no reason that other endings could not exist. Morrigan's deal is there, is'n't it?
Well then, what if, for example, you gather all of Andraste's items, ask for every blessing you can, offer mercy to everyone and act with humility, so much so that she turns her eyes on you and decides to have mercy on you.
Or, if you are more Dark/blood oriented, it could be that by amassing certain items, perhaps sparing certain blood mages, and so on, you unlock another ending.
Many other scenarios/endings could thus be written -- and perhaps already exist; the lore is important enough in this game to provide for many of them.
Now don't tell me you would not like to go adventuring to find them all... Imagine having to work at it, brainstorming with the community to find all the ins and outs of a particular ending and finally making it in the end and getting fresh new dialogues, and perhaps even ending up at Weisshaupt Fortress for a final feast!
Wouldn't that be nice?
That is all I propose/wish for.
More candy for the brain!PS: And that is not counting the quests to find another heir -- there may even be more than one candidate: King Maric, as we all know, was not a chaste man.
#105
Posté 25 décembre 2009 - 02:37
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bobsmyuncle wrote...
Leifa wrote...
O.K. so thread not entirely done...
I think he's still in love with her and wants her back too...
He is convinced that Morrigan is a good person who is only acting out of desperation. That she is fighting for her life, and would have been much kinder have circumstances been different.
My take on Morrigan is that she's a product of her environment. Things like love, selflessness and gifts confuse her because the only relationship in her life up until she meets the PC has been with Flemeth. So when Morrigan speaks of power and survival she's really only repeating what she's been taught. The little girl who liked pretty things and wants to be loved is still in there, it's just she thinks it's a weakness of hers that should be stamped out. I don't even think she's unkind in game, just that she has no concept of social graces. If she thinks you're doing something foolish, she'll call you a fool rather than say "I think this is unwise, why don't we consider X instead?" So I tried to take her on her own terms and understand her intent rather than thinking "how rude!"
That makes a lot of sense.
But she does seem to have a lack of heart though -- she acts as if she would let everyone die around her and not care :/
A person does not inevitably become harsh from having a harsh life. They may be suspicious, guarded and judgmental, but can just as well have a kind heart.
That's human nature.
A person's "alignement", if you will, though it may be influenced by it's environment, is not necessarily determined by it. Deep inside, we are what we are.
Just my opinion
bobsmyuncle wrote...
She and my mage were BFFs. Stupid Chantry.
Lol, yep, I'm having a bit of trouble following the Chantry with my pious mage atm. It's not easy being meek all the time when you have a strong mind and a taste for justice...
But when I can't take it anymore, I get on my new aloof Dalish rogue and give the Reverent Mothers heart attacks with my brazen comments.
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Posté 25 décembre 2009 - 12:07
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That makes a lot of sense.
But she does seem to have a lack of heart though -- she acts as if she would let everyone die around her and not care :/
A person does not inevitably become harsh from having a harsh life. They may be suspicious, guarded and judgmental, but can just as well have a kind heart.
That's human nature.
A person's "alignement", if you will, though it may be influenced by it's environment, is not necessarily determined by it. Deep inside, we are what we are.
Just my opinion
Reading the entire thread is tiring, and i have a strong opinion on it, bot hagree and disagree with some points. but as for Morrigan, While not everything in an atmospehere directly influences every fiber in a person, it certainly makes a great impact. Even the influence of right and wrong. I see her exactly like the previous poster said, her heart as well. Only i think it was just a midset thing. I see it as her struggling of what to go with, her mind or her heart. In her head the choice was easy based on how she grew up, but speaking with her and getting into romance, It becomes much more difficult to think just with her head and what she is accustomed too.
Her development is sooo deep and i love every minute of it.
As for endings. I feel i got the best one. Alistair being King with Anora. Even if it wasnt what he wanted at the beginning, u cant always give people what they want. Even if U care for them. We may never exactly know what a person truly wants, but sometimes its just a risk of what u do for someone for their best interest and benefit of a kingdom and mankind. In the end hes happy, and i am determined to find Morrigan. Sure its kinda sad that i didnt end up happily ever after with her, but at the same time The story may not end there, opening for a continuation for it in say dragon age 2 or a DLC, or a expansion. So in a way im glad that there is no real set ending, so the story can continue, and look forward too after such a magnificent game.
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Posté 25 décembre 2009 - 12:55
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some great posts, but I'm with seraph on Morrigan, there is more to her than meets the eye, she is much deeper than she seems and she does change her 'outlook' during the course of events (if your male and romancing her that is)...
Which is pretty true to life for many poeple really. Said that in another thread about Alistairs wants.needs and his 'shock leaving'....didnt shock me at all....its just like liefe. the characters are so well written that they do behave (as well as an animated character can) like real people, they change their minds, they are obstinate, cruel, giving, all very wonderful.
As for your happy ever after ending, yes 'one' ending like that might be nice (to satisfy peoples needs)...but it is a dark fantasy as has been said before, and generally, in 'dark' themes, there is rarely a happy sugar coated ending imo.
Some of the endings to me are happy though, they have been discussed in this thread before, and for me its not all that important with having multiple playthroughs, endings, romances and characters, I experience all of them, but my fave so far is romancing Morrigan (deffo must be a male thing lol) and living with the hope that one day we may be together again
some great posts, but I'm with seraph on Morrigan, there is more to her than meets the eye, she is much deeper than she seems and she does change her 'outlook' during the course of events (if your male and romancing her that is)...
Which is pretty true to life for many poeple really. Said that in another thread about Alistairs wants.needs and his 'shock leaving'....didnt shock me at all....its just like liefe. the characters are so well written that they do behave (as well as an animated character can) like real people, they change their minds, they are obstinate, cruel, giving, all very wonderful.
As for your happy ever after ending, yes 'one' ending like that might be nice (to satisfy peoples needs)...but it is a dark fantasy as has been said before, and generally, in 'dark' themes, there is rarely a happy sugar coated ending imo.
Some of the endings to me are happy though, they have been discussed in this thread before, and for me its not all that important with having multiple playthroughs, endings, romances and characters, I experience all of them, but my fave so far is romancing Morrigan (deffo must be a male thing lol) and living with the hope that one day we may be together again
#108
Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 07:05
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“A wise man changes his mind, a fool never”
I’ll take that as a good sign, as I’ve come to change my mind quite a bit since this thread was created.
Allow me to elaborate...
To all who said Queen Anora should end up being the queen, you were right.
The PC is a grey Warden. Period. Wanting, or trying, to make anything more of him/her than that is like running on ice barefoot: you’ll only end up with bruises on your bruises.
The story takes us in so many directions that it can be easy to forget Duncan’s words. But if you understand what you are, everything becomes clear and hard choices are much easier to make, and to accept.
To all who said that the Dark Ritual was not such a bad thing, you were right.
Even more so if you happen to be a female character romantically involved with Alistair: either you betray him, break his heart and lose him by letting Loghain live, he dies while killing the Archdemon, or he impregnates Morrigan. No-brainer.
To all who said that Morrigan was not “all” bad, you were right.
You see, I disliked her so much for being so cold, in the beginning, that I had never paid her much attention. In this new run through I have just finished, I took the time to become her friend – I figured, as she’s the one saving my romance in the end, it’s the least I owe her, right?
To my surprise (and the word is weak), she turned out to be the one character, out of all my companions, who moved me the most. This character is wonderfully complex, and leaves you wondering about her long after the Archdemon is slain.
There are other areas, as well, where I have changed my mind. For instance, I never much liked playing an elf, or a mage: now, my favourite character is an Elvin mage. Don’t think I’ll ever want to play anything else either. So… yeah…
To BioWare:
About all of the: “Please give your artists the time to do their thing.” And “So much more could have been added to this game.” lines, I take it all back. "puts bag on head in shame"
My husband and I have been modding for the past week, learning all the ins and outs of the toolset, and suffice to say I spoke like a newb.
The hours and the work it must have taken to compile everyone’s effort into this jewel must have driven you all nuts. I now understand what is involved and, quite frankly, I am now amazed at how much you did accomplish.
So, sorry about that.
Our turn to go nuts now, as we’re working on a little mod: we’ve got the basics down, cameras, character interaction, and working now on voice-over – so cool! Next step, we must figure out how to duplicate an area to use it as transition to our own map area. But all in all, lots of fun, can’t see time pass.
Thanks so much for that toolset!
… and the game, of course.
Great work!!!
Sincerely,
Leifa
I’ll take that as a good sign, as I’ve come to change my mind quite a bit since this thread was created.
Allow me to elaborate...
To all who said Queen Anora should end up being the queen, you were right.
The PC is a grey Warden. Period. Wanting, or trying, to make anything more of him/her than that is like running on ice barefoot: you’ll only end up with bruises on your bruises.
The story takes us in so many directions that it can be easy to forget Duncan’s words. But if you understand what you are, everything becomes clear and hard choices are much easier to make, and to accept.
To all who said that the Dark Ritual was not such a bad thing, you were right.
Even more so if you happen to be a female character romantically involved with Alistair: either you betray him, break his heart and lose him by letting Loghain live, he dies while killing the Archdemon, or he impregnates Morrigan. No-brainer.
To all who said that Morrigan was not “all” bad, you were right.
You see, I disliked her so much for being so cold, in the beginning, that I had never paid her much attention. In this new run through I have just finished, I took the time to become her friend – I figured, as she’s the one saving my romance in the end, it’s the least I owe her, right?
To my surprise (and the word is weak), she turned out to be the one character, out of all my companions, who moved me the most. This character is wonderfully complex, and leaves you wondering about her long after the Archdemon is slain.
There are other areas, as well, where I have changed my mind. For instance, I never much liked playing an elf, or a mage: now, my favourite character is an Elvin mage. Don’t think I’ll ever want to play anything else either. So… yeah…
To BioWare:
About all of the: “Please give your artists the time to do their thing.” And “So much more could have been added to this game.” lines, I take it all back. "puts bag on head in shame"
My husband and I have been modding for the past week, learning all the ins and outs of the toolset, and suffice to say I spoke like a newb.
The hours and the work it must have taken to compile everyone’s effort into this jewel must have driven you all nuts. I now understand what is involved and, quite frankly, I am now amazed at how much you did accomplish.
So, sorry about that.
Our turn to go nuts now, as we’re working on a little mod: we’ve got the basics down, cameras, character interaction, and working now on voice-over – so cool! Next step, we must figure out how to duplicate an area to use it as transition to our own map area. But all in all, lots of fun, can’t see time pass.
Thanks so much for that toolset!
… and the game, of course.
Great work!!!
Sincerely,
Leifa
#109
Posté 06 janvier 2010 - 10:53
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MKATAKM wrote...
You could be the new King, you could marry to Leliana making her your Queen, not that ugly consort sort
1. Why would anyone accept you and Leliana as rulers? You have no claim so would essentially have to perform a hostile takeover of the country. No matter how strong or persuasive your charecter is they aren't going to be able to do this without an army and the army you collected isn't going to help you take over the country so you can become a dictator. Then there's the fact that Arl Eamonn, who has a lot more supporters than you, would fight you to death to stop you from taking the throne with no actual claim.
2. Anora wouldn't accept anyone other than herself as ruler, her nature is self interest and it is not in her interest to step aside and make you king. If she was willing to let you be King why wouldn't she just step aside and let Alistair be King? He has a much greater claim to the throne than you.
3. How would defiling the ashes make you a darkspawn general, the darkspawn have nothing to do with the the ashes and the dragon is not an old god and has nothing to do with darkspawn. There isn't even a single Genlock in Haven or the dragons lair.
4. The old god soul cannot take merge with your soul, that's why killing the Archdemon kills you, it can only take a body that is an empty vessel ie. souless or the clash of souls destoys you both.
5. You just put together an army to stop the darkspawn invasion, why wouldn't they kill you if you are possessed by the Archdemon? You leading the Blight isn't really any different to the dragon old god leading the Blight.
It doesn't seem like you paid much attention to anything anyone said because not a single one of these would be a viable ending.
