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[Wayning_Star]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dear Wayning_Star, synthesis to me has to do with creating a superior race and the decision can be viewed elitist. So eugenics fits fine. But do not let it anger you. No doubt you have another great term for those failed eugenics experiments. You know that I even don't want to know how they failed?

I would agree if synthesis provided that everyone became either synthetic beings, or became completly organic, without virtue of individuality. It would help if the actions of it were better explained, but with what the situation says, only a miniscule change would be sufficient to alter the pattern enough to end the pattern. It would be no different than having blue babies.

The big fault would be changing the entire MEU down to the molecular level, that is, intefereing with natural order of things, but then we do mess with atomics, ozone levels and carcenogenic party favors, but no one seems to mind the genetic mutations associated with such tom foolery. They make neat weapons, cheap energy and car parts'n stuff..sooo Two billion wrongs don't make a right,eh?

I don't have much good to say about synthesis. No rationalization will convince me, because I think it is disgusting to deny the original races their continued existence by altering their racial identities without their consent. All that to implement a solution to a non-existent problem.

just to note: it actually affects them on a much deeper level than faulty DNA strands, it directly changes their molecular compsition. That'd be the only way to share construction events across the synthetic organic barriers.

The real question, however is simple. What actually constitutes "life" as we know it. That I think is what the fighting amongs synth/orga is really all about. Well, that and maybe the synth want to call us mom and dad for a change...maybe.

[Rafficus III]

This may be a stupid question, but it just crossed my mind: isn't Shepard the true catalyst? Catalysts are simply substances which enable a faster chemical reaction, which is what Shep does. His/her DNA alone is what in turn speeds up the synthesis and allows it to occur in the first place.

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

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Problem? You can't just say "somebody must've done it" and leave it at that.
Remember, this thread is about trying to make some sense out of the shambles, not accepting the shambles as is.

Just saying, they don't have a choice but to go with it after that.

Sure, but I'm referring to the previous cycles.

Welcome to Mass Effect 3's ending.

Again, making sense of the shambles. I like logic.

Nobody knew the catalyst actually controls the Reapers. The Citadel controls the relays and something about dark energy.

No, I mean, every cycle happens the exact same way. Reapers bum rush Citadel and control it. The Citadel is Reaper property, thus any organic designing the Crucible should work around that somehow.

Modifié par The Angry One, 16 août 2012 - 01:44 .

[AresKeith]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

This may be a stupid question, but it just crossed my mind: isn't Shepard the true catalyst? Catalysts are simply substances which enable a faster chemical reaction, which is what Shep does. His/her DNA alone is what in turn speeds up the synthesis and allows it to occur in the first place.

but that wouldn't make sense though, because human DNA can't fuse with other races. Thats what makes Synthesis even more stupid

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dear Wayning_Star, synthesis to me has to do with creating a superior race and the decision can be viewed elitist. So eugenics fits fine. But do not let it anger you. No doubt you have another great term for those failed eugenics experiments. You know that I even don't want to know how they failed?

I would agree if synthesis provided that everyone became either synthetic beings, or became completly organic, without virtue of individuality. It would help if the actions of it were better explained, but with what the situation says, only a miniscule change would be sufficient to alter the pattern enough to end the pattern. It would be no different than having blue babies.

The big fault would be changing the entire MEU down to the molecular level, that is, intefereing with natural order of things, but then we do mess with atomics, ozone levels and carcenogenic party favors, but no one seems to mind the genetic mutations associated with such tom foolery. They make neat weapons, cheap energy and car parts'n stuff..sooo Two billion wrongs don't make a right,eh?

I don't have much good to say about synthesis. No rationalization will convince me, because I think it is disgusting to deny the original races their continued existence by altering their racial identities without their consent. All that to implement a solution to a non-existent problem.

just to note: it actually affects them on a much deeper level than faulty DNA strands, it directly changes their molecular compsition. That'd be the only way to share construction events across the synthetic organic barriers.

The real question, however is simple. What actually constitutes "life" as we know it. That I think is what the fighting amongs synth/orga is really all about. Well, that and maybe the synth want to call us mom and dad for a change...maybe.

About your note: Not interested. And about the fight among synthetics and organics: Solved before shaking hands with Marauder Shields.

[Wayning_Star]

hornedfrog87 wrote...

This may be a stupid question, but it just crossed my mind: isn't Shepard the true catalyst? Catalysts are simply substances which enable a faster chemical reaction, which is what Shep does. His/her DNA alone is what in turn speeds up the synthesis and allows it to occur in the first place.

of sorts,but not the current catalyst program. He may be just an ingredient, as all the decisions fall to him. But only two choices require his 'essence' to provide solutions. control and synthesis.  walk away and destroy only requires him to just die.

[Wayning_Star]

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dear Wayning_Star, synthesis to me has to do with creating a superior race and the decision can be viewed elitist. So eugenics fits fine. But do not let it anger you. No doubt you have another great term for those failed eugenics experiments. You know that I even don't want to know how they failed?

I would agree if synthesis provided that everyone became either synthetic beings, or became completly organic, without virtue of individuality. It would help if the actions of it were better explained, but with what the situation says, only a miniscule change would be sufficient to alter the pattern enough to end the pattern. It would be no different than having blue babies.

The big fault would be changing the entire MEU down to the molecular level, that is, intefereing with natural order of things, but then we do mess with atomics, ozone levels and carcenogenic party favors, but no one seems to mind the genetic mutations associated with such tom foolery. They make neat weapons, cheap energy and car parts'n stuff..sooo Two billion wrongs don't make a right,eh?

I don't have much good to say about synthesis. No rationalization will convince me, because I think it is disgusting to deny the original races their continued existence by altering their racial identities without their consent. All that to implement a solution to a non-existent problem.

just to note: it actually affects them on a much deeper level than faulty DNA strands, it directly changes their molecular compsition. That'd be the only way to share construction events across the synthetic organic barriers.

The real question, however is simple. What actually constitutes "life" as we know it. That I think is what the fighting amongs synth/orga is really all about. Well, that and maybe the synth want to call us mom and dad for a change...maybe.

About your note: Not interested. And about the fight among synthetics and organics: Solved before shaking hands with Marauder Shields.

not to sound reproachful, but the more you argue for the eugenics theory, the more you access it's predominate theme. You don't want to share your DNA with synthetics cause its wrong to be associated with synthetics. ie, pro human. You end up defending the very thing you revolt... just say'n

[AngryFrozenWater]

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

AngryFrozenWater wrote...

Dear Wayning_Star, synthesis to me has to do with creating a superior race and the decision can be viewed elitist. So eugenics fits fine. But do not let it anger you. No doubt you have another great term for those failed eugenics experiments. You know that I even don't want to know how they failed?

I would agree if synthesis provided that everyone became either synthetic beings, or became completly organic, without virtue of individuality. It would help if the actions of it were better explained, but with what the situation says, only a miniscule change would be sufficient to alter the pattern enough to end the pattern. It would be no different than having blue babies.

The big fault would be changing the entire MEU down to the molecular level, that is, intefereing with natural order of things, but then we do mess with atomics, ozone levels and carcenogenic party favors, but no one seems to mind the genetic mutations associated with such tom foolery. They make neat weapons, cheap energy and car parts'n stuff..sooo Two billion wrongs don't make a right,eh?

I don't have much good to say about synthesis. No rationalization will convince me, because I think it is disgusting to deny the original races their continued existence by altering their racial identities without their consent. All that to implement a solution to a non-existent problem.

just to note: it actually affects them on a much deeper level than faulty DNA strands, it directly changes their molecular compsition. That'd be the only way to share construction events across the synthetic organic barriers.

The real question, however is simple. What actually constitutes "life" as we know it. That I think is what the fighting amongs synth/orga is really all about. Well, that and maybe the synth want to call us mom and dad for a change...maybe.

About your note: Not interested. And about the fight among synthetics and organics: Solved before shaking hands with Marauder Shields.

not to sound reproachful, but the more you argue for the eugenics theory, the more you access it's predominate theme. You don't want to share your DNA with synthetics cause its wrong to be associated with synthetics. ie, pro human. You end up defending the very thing you revolt... just say'n

I am not biting.

[Baronesa]

Wayning_Star wrote...

not to sound reproachful, but the more you argue for the eugenics theory, the more you access it's predominate theme. You don't want to share your DNA with synthetics cause its wrong to be associated with synthetics. ie, pro human. You end up defending the very thing you revolt... just say'n

That is nonsensical... there is no way... no way at all... for a synthetic lifeform (SOFTWARE... very advanced, granted, but software  nonetheless, since they can go into different "bodies or platforms" depending on their needs) to have DNA...

Please on which way would the Hardware of a synthetic or the software comes to use Deoxyribonucleic acid.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Angry One wrote...

The prongs have "forks" on them, they connect on that circle. It's even in that other picture.

You labeled them together in "6" and "3." Look again.

[AresKeith]

Wayning_Star wrote...

not to sound reproachful, but the more you argue for the eugenics theory, the more you access it's predominate theme. You don't want to share your DNA with synthetics cause its wrong to be associated with synthetics. ie, pro human. You end up defending the very thing you revolt... just say'n

thats not possible for Synthetics to have DNA, as I said before in other thread, that goes from Sci-fi to Fantasy Space Magic

[The Angry One]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

You labeled them together in "6" and "3." Look again.

So they're slightly different? They're still prongs.
Dude, in the image you posted, there are two to the front and two to the side.
If you accept that in this image there are two to the back, then that makes six.

[MegaSovereign]

I disagree.

The Citadel was incorporated to the Crucible's design in previous cycles. The triggers being on the Citadel doesn't prove that the Crucible was designed by the Reapers.

No actually, it sounds like a crackpot conspiracy theory.

[Mr.House]

Why is there a pink :3 face on that picture?

Modifié par Mr.House, 16 août 2012 - 02:17 .

[AresKeith]

MegaSovereign wrote...

I disagree.

The Citadel was incorporated to the Crucible's design in previous cycles. The triggers being on the Citadel doesn't prove that the Crucible was designed by the Reapers.

No actually, it sounds like a crackpot conspiracy theory.

the Catalyst could've easily said who came up with the design, but quickly avoided it and said something stupid,

[RadicalDisconnect]

The Angry One wrote...

Actually, there appears to be 8 instead of 6. The members you labelled as 6 and 3 are actually two members that look like singles due to the viewing angle. In such a case, it's possible that the each leg of the four prongs split into two.

Modifié par RadicalDisconnect, 16 août 2012 - 02:14 .

[Fawx9]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Actually, there appears to be 8 instead of 6. The members you labelled as 6 and 3 are actually two members that look like singles due to the viewing angle. In such a case, it's possible that the each leg of the four prongs split into two.

What was relabeled 5 and 4 are at impossible angles given the bases sticking out on the side.

The only way the picture makes sense is if there are 6 prongs.

[David7204]

You say the Destroy isn't the Crucible working as 'intended.' Whose 'intention' are we talking about here? Because from your post, it isn't the Catalyst.

If the three options were a product of the Citadel and not the Crucible (which I agree with), then who else would it be?

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2012 - 02:19 .

[The Angry One]

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Actually, there appears to be 8 instead of 6. The members you labelled as 6 and 3 are actually two members that look like singles due to the viewing angle. In such a case, it's possible that the each leg of the four prongs split into two.

The problem with that idea is that the side prongs look far too thin, hence why I count them as one. If the other prongs split then they'd be too thick.



Maybe this pic illustrates it better. If you look close at "6", you see there's another prong, but it's quite thin and very close to the other one and why am I scientifically analysing dimwittery of the highest order? Beats boring old sleep I guess.

[MegaSovereign]

AresKeith wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

I disagree.

The Citadel was incorporated to the Crucible's design in previous cycles. The triggers being on the Citadel doesn't prove that the Crucible was designed by the Reapers.

No actually, it sounds like a crackpot conspiracy theory.

the Catalyst could've easily said who came up with the design, but quickly avoided it and said something stupid,

<_< First off he could have easily lied. And according you guys he's pretty good at lying so I don't see why he would hesitate here.

Second, he's absolutely right. There are no historical records on the race that first designed it. Shepard would not know them and should not care. The information is competely irrelevant and this is just one case where Shepard has a derp auto-dialogue moment.

[AresKeith]

David7204 wrote...

You say the Destroy isn't the Crucible working as 'intended.' Whose 'intention' are we talking about here? Because from your post, it isn't the Catalyst.

If the three options were a product of the Citadel and not the Crucible (which I agree with), then who else would it be?

Destroy is just a component for the Citadel/Crucible to help power Synthesis, when you shoot the tube it causes an overload

[David7204]

How it works is completely irrelevant. Modern land mines have self destruct functions that use the mine's own explosives and circuits to destroy itself. That doesn't mean the mines aren't working as intended. They're working precisely as intended.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2012 - 02:25 .

[The Angry One]

MegaSovereign wrote...


<_< First off he could have easily lied. And according you guys he's pretty good at lying so I don't see why he would hesitate here.

It doesn't need to come up with an elaborate story to be lying.

Second, he's absolutely right. There are no historical records on the race that first designed it. Shepard would not know them and should not care. The information is competely irrelevant and this is just one case where Shepard has a derp auto-dialogue moment.

Shepard asked. Therefore she cared. Do you ask questions you don't care about the answer to?
Commander Shepard! Interstellar hero! Last hope of the galaxy! Pointless waster of time!

[MattFini]

David7204 wrote...

How it works is completely irrelevant. Modern land mines have self destruct functions that use the mine's own explosives and circuits to destroy itself. That doesn't mean the mines aren't working as intended. They're working precisely as intended.

The problem being that ME, on the whole, is very detail oriented. 

And then they spring this slice of nonsense upon the audience in the 11th hour and nobody on the BSN, the most ardent of the series' fans, can even agree on how/why it functions.

That's a pretty big fail for a series that even goes as far as to invent, say, how biotics work/function. 

[David7204]

MattFini wrote...

David7204 wrote...

How it works is completely irrelevant. Modern land mines have self destruct functions that use the mine's own explosives and circuits to destroy itself. That doesn't mean the mines aren't working as intended. They're working precisely as intended.

The problem being that ME, on the whole, is very detail oriented. 

And then they spring this slice of nonsense upon the audience in the 11th hour and nobody on the BSN, the most ardent of the series' fans, can even agree on how/why it functions.

That's a pretty big fail for a series that even goes as far as to invent, say, how biotics work/function. 

That is a load of crap. The endings were bad, but that had absolutely nothing to do with this issue. And you'd sound a lot more credible if you didn't use the term 'fail' like a twelve year old.

Modifié par David7204, 16 août 2012 - 02:31 .