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[The Angry One]

eye basher wrote...

You do know that the catalyst tried synthesis once already and it didn't work why should it now.

Because now it has a battery efficient enough to make it work.

[AresKeith]

eye basher wrote...

You do know that the catalyst tried synthesis once already and it didn't work why should it now.

because the Crucible gives enough power to make it work

[Krozuhsky]

Bump for good threadness.

[RadicalDisconnect]

Regardless of Mac Walter's intentions, claiming that the Catalyst's true goal is Synthesis raises a lot of questions. While it's possible that the Citadel may have been designed for Synthesis, I don't know if that is the Catalyst's goal as well.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

The Twilight God wrote...

RadicalDisconnect wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Are you honestly unable to accept that there are different interpretations that are just as valid as your's? Not everyone thinks alike.

Oh, brother. If it isn't Nagging Nancy.

Speak for ya'self. 

[The Twilight God]

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...

[quote]The Twilight God wrote...
Yeah, problem is the control prongs and power junction are hard wired into the Citadel and there is no bendable parts, so it's impossible. [/quote]

"impossible" suggests a serious lack of imaginaton. The prongs aren't hard-connected at all, they are supported by the thin walkways that are jammed into the sides of the chasm. Mayble I'll produce another image to illustrate, from what you've said so far it seems necessary.[/quote]

I'm talking about the cables. Notice all those fat cables around the Destory and Control areas? They lead into the Citadel. They are hard wired into the Citadel. The "tubes" for Destroy have a large cable going out the bottom and into the Citadel. The tubes lined up in front of the Control console go through the prongs and then into the Citadel. It also has a large cable on the left (when facing it) that leads into the Citadel.

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...
[quote]The Twilight God wrote...
Those aren't wheels.[/quote]

So you say, I disagree, I say they are intended to represent a rail-like movable item, I've illustrate my reasons, your take seems to be "no it isn't" with little other exposition.[/quote]

If I said a barrel wasn't a car, would I need to go into more detail? They aren't wheels. It's that simple.

Whatever they are they is cylinders within a pipe, Take a good look at it. The upper front part of the pipe extends out more than the lower front part.  Similar to this, but not quite.

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...

This is just silly, I've illustrated that the prongs can make a remarkably similar container, the remaining components aren't that big and are almost entirely composed of very thin struts, wheras the citadel propper is almost all thick, sturdy blocks.[/quote]

You only include the top triangles. And even then, only 6. There are 8 total. Furthermore. you ignore the parts a level beneath the triangluar parts, you completely ignore the destory tube, those poles in front of it, the control console, all the tubes running out of them, the 2 solar panel rings, whatever those part are under the the triangles.  

Making up squishy bendable metal and magic cables doesn't help your case. Is there anything at all in the mass effect universe that you are basing this memory metal theory on? anything at all? I can pull stuff out of thin air to justify any and everything.  Hey, I've got a theory: In the ending the Normandy lands on Jupiter's moon Titan. The Crucible maybe sends ships through time if it catches them in FTL. In the future Titan has been terraformed. Sure this is not based on any in-game evidence, hints or clues, but you have to use your imagination.

Does that make the theory credible? Does making stuff up a good way to argue a point? No.  

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...

[quote]The Twilight God wrote...
Alot of stuff pops off and floats away. The nubbin does the same. Simple.[/quote] You haven't even _bothered_ to re-watch the docking sequence? have you? things pop off then the crucible cruses into place and connects to the presidium ring, _the nubbin is there until the crucible stops moving_ my last screen shot is less than a second from the crucible stop point, and I only took that shot because it was clearer.[/quote]

Look at it. It has four thing sticking out the top and a hole running through the center so that the beam can run through it. It is a cylinder most likely with a hollow center. It seems whatever plans they had for it were scrapped. They took it out of high EMS when it docks, but forgot about it in low EMS. In low EMS it's still there when the Crucible docks and it lights up with it still on.
 
 

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...

The cables don't look routed, they are dangling _from_ the choice dias and snake off into the bowls of the Citadel. Here's a point for you. The main cable goes down into the chasm, that chasm _wasn't even there_ before the crucible docked (and the radial plates retracted to form the chasm). I'm guessing you're not going to understand what I'm saying because you haven't studied the choice area but that's ok I'll prep some more images later. When I said "None of those cables look native to that area" I mean they are dangling and barely fixed in place, like extension cords.[/quote]

The Control console cables are literally plugged into the chasm. You can see this without a flycam. The Destory cable is actually integrated into the chasm wall. Also, you can see this without a flycam. You have to be intentionally ignoring this. Which tells me this is a waste of my time.

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...
[quote]The Twilight God wrote...
Follow them and see where they lead. Come on now. You're in denial here.[/quote] one goes off under the lip to the side, the other dangles down the shaft, much like a giant extension cord. Your point is?[/quote]

You're in denial.

[quote]Mobius-Silent wrote...

This entire section of the Citadel is reconfigurable, the chasm wasn't there before the Crucible docked, the sliding panels can move and reconfigure to a desired shape, that much is obvious if you lookd around the map at _all_ [/quote]

The chasm wasn't there... right...  Definitely wasting my time here.

Enjoy your fantasy theory were everything is possible if only you can imagine it.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 17 août 2012 - 09:52 .

[Mobius-Silent]

The Twilight God wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...
This entire section of the Citadel is reconfigurable, the chasm wasn't there before the Crucible docked, the sliding panels can move and reconfigure to a desired shape, that much is obvious if you lookd around the map at _all_

The chasm wasn't there... right...  Definitely wasting my time here.

Lets start here. There is so much wrong packed into this one line I think it's going to take me an enire post to enumerate how wrong you are

So let's start with the end map and the sides of the chasm shall we.



So you're saying that there is no way that those wedge sections are designed to retract? no way that the could slide out so the would be flush, sealing up the chasm?

Lets look at the wall of the chasm:


So.. no way any of those vertical slice-like sections might move up or down to clear space for the heaver upper sections, just a coincidence? (BTW doesn't that cable look professionally fitted? Like it's been their for billions of years, not just dropped down the newly formed shaft at all)



So none of those sections slide at all right? they are just for decoration?

Man, if only there was a cutscene showing the base of the decision area before the Crucible docked, that would really help.



What do you know, that really does help.

Modifié par Mobius-Silent, 20 août 2012 - 07:11 .

[The Twilight God]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
The chasm wasn't there... right...  Definitely wasting my time here.

Lets start here. There is so much wrong packed into this one line I think it's going to take me an enire post to enumerate how wrong you are

No, it is physically impossible.

It would only be possible for some of them to extent out toward the center. Together they form an effective cylinder. If each tried to extend nothing would happen except a brief moment of screeching metal followed by whatever servos power it burning out. Those things completely sealing up that chasm would be the equivalent of squeezing a pipe and expecting its diameter to simply shrink and shrink until it became a solid rod. If that was over your head here is another example. Imagine cutting a circle out of the center of a pizza and then trying to squeeze together all the slices at one time so that it fills in the hole. It's the same principle. Again, I must reiterate, this is a physical impossibility.

Even if only some were to extend, the the greater the number of extending sheets the shorter the distance they could extend before bumping into each other. The last image you post shows a solid surface because the CG artists were not going to waste their time rendring teenie tiny minute details on a object that is seen for a few brief seconds. It is shown exactly the same way as the Crucible is arming so there goes your visual "proof" right there.




I apologize for not expounding further when I made that comment. I assumed you weren't mentally handicapped.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 27 août 2012 - 07:39 .

[MerchantGOL]

The Angry One wrote...

Yes it's that time where TAO attempts to make sense of shoddy writing once again.

The Crucible - or rather, the Citadel, since I also submit that the functions attributed to the Crucible are and always have been the Citadel's - fires Destroy and Synthesis in exactly the same way.
Yet, they are activated very differently. In fact, Destroy is activated counter-intuitively, by breaking a component. Since when does breaking a device activate it in the manner intended by the designers?

I therefore submit the following, which is extrapolation based on in game evidence:

- The Citadel's primary function is synthesis, as designed by the Catalyst.

- Destroy works by breaking a primary component (the inanimate tube of doom) and causing the Citadel to malfunction and trigger an effect that wipes out synthetics. The Crucible then explodes due to generating more power than the effect actually needs (because less space magic is involved I guess) and overloading.

- Control doesn't use the Crucible at all. The Crucible is a power source, designed to provide the Citadel with the energy it requires to spread Synthesis across the galaxy. Control requires no extra power because the Catalyst already controls. The Citadel is already providing power for this. All you're doing is installing a new OS and sending a software update to all Reapers. I come to this conclusion because the Citadel does not fire a beam in Control. The wave itself handles everything.

EDIT: Actually, upon remembering the control scene, the Crucible is clearly being interacted with, therefore I amend this to Control requiring little of the Crucible's power, perhaps to spread the "software patch" to the Reapers. However the fact remains that the Citadel clearly isn't using the same amount of power as in Destroy/Synthesis.

- Synthesis, like Destroy, clearly needs both the Citadel and Crucible to function. Like Destroy, the Citadel fires the beam and suffers damage to the wards in the same way. However, unlike Destroy it's not activated by breaking something, but rather by interacting with the rather prominently displayed and accessable beam.
Think of the terms being used here. Crucible. Synthesis. Catalyst. Get it? 

The entire point of the Crucible is to provide the necesarry power for the Citadel to perform it's intended function - synthesis. The Catalyst is possibly ambivalent about finally reaching this point and so reveals the chance to break it. But that's the thing. Destroy is breaking it. It's not working as intended.

I actualy agree with you

[The Twilight God]

The "nubbin" was intended to be still on the Crucible when it docked as I said. Not sure why they removed it. Probably for space constraints or it didn't look right when rendered in-game.