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[uzivatel]

rmccowen wrote...

KalilKareem wrote...

CitizenThom wrote...

edit: and yes, Furys can work from a distance, but not as effectively as the Asari Adept or Human Sentinel.

How is a fury less effective than a human sentinel on long distances?

There's no Detonate evolution for Dark Channel.

And it cant hit enemies behind cover.

[Fortack]

Star fury wrote...

Fortack wrote...
Those "Overpowered" weapons are available to everyone. If you don't use weapons that's your problem not the game's. If you don't like to shoot things I have no idea why you're even playing ME anyway, since shooting has been an indispensable part of all 3 games.

Oh and why play with HS at all? So everyone must use GI with KrysaePiranha. If you don't use GI, why play ME anyway? Interesting logic and completely missing the point.

I don't follow you here. I play a GI because it has Cloak, H-Mode, and P-Mines to help me kill enemies. I play HSen and use TA, Warp and Throw to increase my combat effectiveness. Why else?

Are you suggesting that the GI is meant to use the Piranha and the HSen is supposed to fight with his/her fists? In case you missed it but ME games are about using your special abilities and weapons in tandem - not one or the other.

[Fortack]

JackieLee13 wrote...

If everyone is only shooting stuff, then yeah, I suppose everyone will be close in score.  But that's not what ME3 is about at all. The Salarian Engineer did his job just fine since he distracted the enemies like he was asked to do.  Maybe he's not the best player ever, but you can't label him "horrible" without knowing anything about him other than the brief paragraph I used to make a point about how the scoring doesn't matter, so having similar scores or vastly different scores doesn't matter.  And my point still stands.

ME is about shooting stuff and using your powers combined. Someone who only does one of these things is not going to be really effective hence can be considered a poor player since (s)he isn't playing the game at its full potential. That's similar to playing Crysis without using your suit or Dragon Age without using skills or spells.

The only thing that truly matters in this game is getting extracted. However, the score - eventhough severely flawed - does give us an idea how useful everyone has been to accomplish the ultimate goal. The team always has to "score" a certain ammount of points to get the job done. Those who have a significant higher score at the end of a match are (nearly) always the ones who have played best.

Those overpowered weapons are NOT available to everyone.  Some people have good luck with the ludicrous RNG system, others do not.  It IS the game's problem when a player can't seem to get decent upgrades to good guns.  And why use a crappy gun?  What's the point?

The RNG sucks, agreed. But everyone who has played this game for a while will have access to nearly all the good stuff. You don't need all your UR at X to be competitive, in fact, most of the best weapons are easily obtainable. My point is about the fact that a lot of people compare something like the GI wielding a Piranha with an AA or HSen without a weapon. That's silly because a GI without a good weapon will suck just as hard (harder in fact) as an AA or HSen with the same crappy gun.

It sounds like you think this whole game is about shooting.  If that were the case, then why introduce CQC characters like the Fury and the Shadow?  Maybe shooting was more important in ME1 and ME2, but in ME3 with the introduction of combos and stuff, that has become a bigger part of the series than merely pulling a trigger.  To you simply shooting stuff all day every day may be fun, but to others it's not.  Some people's primary weapon is powers, not guns.

There are definitely characters that can do good damage without using weapons yet they are a lot more effective when they use every available means this game has to offer. Finding the right balance between weapons and powers is what this game is all about (and always have been). It's perhaps the one thing I like most about the ME series (gameplay wise that is).

I believe the point of ME3 single player is to enjoy a story;  the point of ME3 multiplayer is to kill stuff (with or without squadmates).  It matters less how the enemies die than simply the fact that they are dead.  If you're interested in topping the scroreboard, which may be what the OP was interested in with his disappointment in a char like the AA, that's probably going to limit you in how you play.  If you're more interested in *winning* (Charlie Sheen style), then the characters, even AA and HS, can be played in a lot of different ways, like offensive, supportive, or team combo-ative.  Being a useful member of a team, even if there's not much shooting involved, is important;  not the score.

ME3 MP is indeed about killing stuff and you have 3 special abilities and a wide selection of weapons at your disposal to get the job done. If you enjoy gimping yourself on purpose by not using a core feature of the game, more power to you. However, saying characters are "outclassed" based on this gimped play style is quite ridiculous.

Being "useful" can be explained in many ways. One who does nothing but standing somewhere is still useful in that (s)he will draw some enemy fire making life easier for the other teammembers. Those who kill stuff (which means they have to shoot a lot) are more useful though.

[Grumpy Old Wizard]

[quote]Fortack wrote...

[quote]Grumpy Old Wizard wrote...

A lot of people who top the scoreboards suck as players. They deliberately kill targets primed for explosions, won't stop shooting to res anyone, won't participate in hacking objectives, pizza delivery, escorts, ect.[/quote]

Killing targets is what this game is all about. Saying someone sucks b/c they kill something you wanted to kill is silly. You should be happy the target is death and if that bothers you learn to kill things faster yourself. Ignoring objectives has nothing to do with this discussion which is about the AA / HSen being "outclassed".
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Nah, if somebody plays in the manner I described, they suck as a player because the game is a squad game and their actions are detrimental to the team, no matter how they place on the scoreboard. They suck as a player.

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Repeat after me. Spamming weapons does not make you are more skilled player than spamming powers. [/quote]

How does one spam weapons?
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Shooty. Shoooooty. Shoot.

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There are overpowered shooty classes with overpowered guns who will usually top the scoreboards.

Weapons >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Caster Powers.  But not everyone wants to be a weapon spammer.[/quote]

Those "Overpowered" weapons are available to everyone. If you don't use weapons that's your problem not the game's. If you don't like to shoot things I have no idea why you're even playing ME anyway, since shooting has been an indispensable part of all 3 games.
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Not all classes were designed to spam weapons. Some were designed to spam powers. The weapon spamming classes have powers that aid in weapon spamming. Such as adrenaline rush, marksman, ect.

The game has guns, yes, and guns are available to everyone. However, the classes are not all designed to be weapon spammers. The classes are different. Some are designed to spam weapons and some to spam powers.  If you don't understand that I don't know why you're even playing ME anyway. There are games where everyone is a weapon spammer and there is no such thing as biotics or tech powers. Perhaps you should be playing one of those games.

In my opinion it is quite rediculous to say that all the classes were desinged as weapon spammers.

Modifié par Grumpy Old Wizard, 17 août 2012 - 11:07 .

[corporal doody]

RamsenC wrote...

Scorpion w/ ULM has made Stasis unnecessary. Definitely not the easiest thing to level, but if you have it Phantoms should be no problem. It's also pretty good on hunters. Good dps weapon + scorpion > Asari Adept.

i concur.  I use the scorpion as a secondary weapon when i play ACTUAL soldiers (not the HS masquerading as a soldier as some "individual" would suggest...."cuz they make better soldiers than the human soldier"??????).

you dont have to aim for the baddie....cuz the explosive radius per round is nice. it staggers the phantom....and sticks to and goes through their barrier/bubble do-dad.

stasis....you have to hit them 2 or 3 times (rather stasis them)....once if you can get in a good headshot..then pump a few rounds into them while they are on the deck.

With a well setup Drell Adept or Justicar....2-3 reaves.....and the Phantom is done!!!  dont even have to fire a shot!  get her before she puts up that barrier....and she will melt away.

a DC and AF will eat them alive too.

Modifié par corporal doody, 18 août 2012 - 01:41 .

[corporal doody]

Alijah Green wrote...


your doing it wrong OP, 
overload, energy drain, and disruptor ammo doesn't SCREW anything them up. you need to double up (throw) to get your BE.

and im thoroughly convinced this "Double-Explosion" is a myth! 

i dont know how many times i have thrown a warp...some jerk tosses a overload...THROW...okay...MAYBE A TB....but another throw doesnt always set off a BE! this is ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY TRUE if they are unloading with disruptor rounds or some over anxious somebody with tech wants to spam overload.

IM Not gonna sit there and spam THROW after throw in hopes of setting off a BE that will never happen. AND i have to toss out a warp and reset knowing they are gonna block my BE??

nah dude.

TB<<<<<<<<<BE. 

[KyreneZA]

corporal doody wrote...

Alijah Green wrote...


your doing it wrong OP, 
overload, energy drain, and disruptor ammo doesn't SCREW anything them up. you need to double up (throw) to get your BE.

and im thoroughly convinced this "Double-Explosion" is a myth! 

i dont know how many times i have thrown a warp...some jerk tosses a overload...THROW...okay...MAYBE A TB....but another throw doesnt always set off a BE! this is ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY TRUE if they are unloading with disruptor rounds or some over anxious somebody with tech wants to spam overload.

IM Not gonna sit there and spam THROW after throw in hopes of setting off a BE that will never happen. AND i have to toss out a warp and reset knowing they are gonna block my BE??

nah dude.

TB<<<<<<<<<BE. 

Well then it's clear you're not a very good biotic player--team player, or otherwise. If you can't adapt to the changes to a team dynamic when it may become a tech heavy team from time to time, you can't play those classes. If you can't adapt to changes to your powers or enemies (like dodging), you can't play those classes.

Now please, go whine somewhere else.

[corporal doody]

Kyrene wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

Alijah Green wrote...


your doing it wrong OP, 
overload, energy drain, and disruptor ammo doesn't SCREW anything them up. you need to double up (throw) to get your BE.

and im thoroughly convinced this "Double-Explosion" is a myth! 

i dont know how many times i have thrown a warp...some jerk tosses a overload...THROW...okay...MAYBE A TB....but another throw doesnt always set off a BE! this is ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY ESPECIALLY TRUE if they are unloading with disruptor rounds or some over anxious somebody with tech wants to spam overload.

IM Not gonna sit there and spam THROW after throw in hopes of setting off a BE that will never happen. AND i have to toss out a warp and reset knowing they are gonna block my BE??

nah dude.

TB<<<<<<<<<BE. 

Well then it's clear you're not a very good biotic player--team player, or otherwise. If you can't adapt to the changes to a team dynamic when it may become a tech heavy team from time to time, you can't play those classes. If you can't adapt to changes to your powers or enemies (like dodging), you can't play those classes.

Now please, go whine somewhere else.

you come look me up on Xbox hot shot. 

[Outlawstar15a2]

I personally think AA is still superior to AJ. They both get two abilities that can source BEs, they both have abilities that can be dodged. But the AA can BE anything she wants defenses or not the AJ I guess can do so with her Bubble but it takes forever to setup and the enemy has to walk through it which for me they never do. Also the Adept gets Stasis which is very useful, can also source a BE, and can be used as a free "Oh ****" skill to get you out of trouble by Stasis-ing something and then running away. I have both characters but every since I got my Asari Adept I never used my Justicar again and now that I have my Fury. It's only a matter of time till I learn to use her effectively and then her and my AA will play Mortal Kombat for my attention.

[Ajax 013]

I rarely post in the forums, but these feels something that needs to be posted. I've got all the characters, I have all the weapons, except the Javelin, Black Widow and Particle Rifle, and most of those are to ten. And quite honestly? I still use characters from the start of the game, like the Asari Adept, Turian Soldier, usually with Uncommon level weapons, like the Phalanx, Viper, Tempest and my personal favourite, the Eviscerator. And I still come first regardless. Most of my newer classes are armed with uncommon weapons as well. Only time I don;t come first, is if I'm running support for Gold runs.

[KyreneZA]

corporal doody wrote...

you come look me up on Xbox hot shot. 

Oh, please, now you're really getting juvenile... much like your OP...

[SlowMerc]

I made the mistake of promoting my sentinels recently and had to level them up again.
The HSen do really need something because relying on warp + throw against groups of enemies is just begging to be overrun, melee'd and stomped. TA does help a little bit but any of the krogans or batarians will have much higher survivability plus getting at least one ability that are useful against groups of enemies. The HSen would be much better off with a primer that actually hits stuff even if hit had crippled BE damage. Oh, and it's really nice when the explosion only hits two mobs so the other three+ mobs can flank you.

Throw ain't that a good ability either. Sure it's fast but it only hits one or perhaps two targets and then after a few seconds they'll be back on their feet so that they can continue shooting at you.

Make Throw the primer instead (and only usuable on non-shielded enemies similar to pull) and then make Warp the detonator and much harder to dodge (perhaps some Evo to increase radius or something).
Right now Reave + Pull + Reave is a much better source for BEs against groups of enemies even if they do have shields.

Maybe I'm a lousy player but I would highly recommend new players to stay away from the HSen on silver or gold. Perhaps there's some weird synergy that makes him/her shine on platinum but I'm not going to bother finding out.

Modifié par SlowMerc, 19 août 2012 - 10:12 .

[heybigmoney]

Just lower the dodge rate of enemies. Its frustrating and doesn't really add anything to game play.

[corporal doody]

Kyrene wrote...

corporal doody wrote...

you come look me up on Xbox hot shot. 

Oh, please, now you're really getting juvenile... much like your OP...

and saying im not a team player and assuming i dont know how to play based of a post is what? presumptious and insulting. But i guess you were being mature?

You wanna diss? im letting you know i can more than disprove your assumption.

Modifié par corporal doody, 20 août 2012 - 03:29 .

[corporal doody]

So first.....zombie thread is zombie....but resurrection is far kinder than creating a new thread i think.


but anyways....


so i had stopped playing the asari adept for an extended period of time due to my frustration with the INSANE amount of difficulty trying to land warp and throw on certain baddies. I picked her up again a few days ago and went a few rounds in random U/U/G matches.....and WOW!!!

i dont know if something has changed with how much the baddies dodge....OR IF BEING THE HOST MAKES ALL THE DIFFERENCE IN THE WORLD. Hit % while host was just crazy!!! marauders and geth pyros were rarely able to roll out the way. so me thinks LAG is a big big player in this issue.

ive also started rocking the Eagle III with AP and extended barrel mods. Commando gear and power amp, pistol amp, and warp ammo with my AA and Fury. shazam.


so....Im not changing the opinions i stated in the OP.....im augmenting to say.....SO LONG AS YOU ARE THE HOST....but if you aint....well....

[dzero]

Human Sentinel is not outclassed. Spec him to full 50% damage reduction, full Fitness, and take a 200% CD loadout. Have fun setting off explosions, throwing enemies about and debuffing bosses, whilst not going down after every few shots taken. It's a powerful class, one of my favourites now. Great at taking down any boss too.

[corporal doody]

dzero wrote...

Human Sentinel is not outclassed. Spec him to full 50% damage reduction, full Fitness, and take a 200% CD loadout. Have fun setting off explosions, throwing enemies about and debuffing bosses, whilst not going down after every few shots taken. It's a powerful class, one of my favourites now. Great at taking down any boss too.

i usually RAN the human sentinel at 6/6/6/4/4. called her Betty Boom. used exclusively as a BE machine!!  havent touched her in a long long time.

after my experiences (very wonderful ones i might add) while playing the AA as HOST....im gonna have to give Betty another go.

If things turn out the same...im gonna be convinced....the HOST/Non-HOST issues with the AA and HS are far far greater than any issues while playing the vanguard...which is negligible imho.

[dzero]

No 6/6/6/0/6 love here, above two posters?

edit: two posters above Manbearbig...

Modifié par dzero, 20 septembre 2012 - 02:10 .

[corporal doody]

dzero wrote...

No 6/6/6/0/6 love here, above two posters?

edit: two posters above Manbearbig...

i would rather not give up on the power damage %.  

i would go 6/6/6/6/0 before i would go 6/6/6/0/6.

[himegoto]

AA is outclassed. Yeah. It takes way too long to kill anything if you solely rely on her BE combos. Shes one of the weakest class to me theres no need for me to use this class and several others handles phantoms just as easily.
Hsent on the other hand I play totally differently. I still dont understand why everyones' still focusing on doing BEs on him but hes just easily one of the best class in game for me. One claymore shot after warp = dead brute on gold.

Maybe I will try a weapon focused AA as well. But I already got a kishock stasis sniper AV.

[Blind2Society]

Warp just needs a base AoE blast on impact of a meter or so. Warp "misses" constantly and that is the problem.

[jandrewcepticon]

I honestly miss playing with the AA, she was my go-to character in Cerberus and Reapers Gold. Before, it would be a shining light to see an Asari Adept join a Gold game. Now, I rarely see her even used in Silver.

But now that you mentioned her, maybe I'll play a few Silver and Gold games with my Asari Adept later. I think I named her Kitana...or was it Bubbles? All I can remember is that she has a blue outfit. lol

[capn233]

Human Sentinel is still one of the few biotics I like playing.