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[hypnotizedmind]

People call for nerf because it hurts them when they aren't in first place.

Seriously, why the F*CK would you call for a nerf when MP isn't even PvP?

[Imp of the Perverse]

IR_the_Villain wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

Their score in relation to the scoreboard at the end of a match.

I still say the Geth Infiltrator needs to be nerfed. Now what?

Not sure why a nerf is required here. That could any character in that top spot just about. And most players can't rack up that score just because they're running an infiltrator...not sure why people won't just say that actual skill is involved before they go screaming "nerf!!!"Then you're not taking into account the other players play style, skill and about a hundred other factors that go onto any single game and individual scores. 

When I'm looking for a random gold game I'll usually use one of my go-to builds, since I don't know the skill level of the randoms I'll end up with and I want to improve my chances of extracting. I've landed in a lobby with experienced players and ended up with a score like that, but an easy extraction so everybody else is totally competent. I then switch to another build that I'm just as familiar with, and score third in the next match, alongside the same players using their same builds as the first game. Something like that gives a pretty good comparison of one character or weapon next to another.

[Pavs719]

Lathrim wrote...

IR_the_Villain wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

Kyerea wrote...

Their score in relation to the scoreboard at the end of a match.

*snip*


I still say the Geth Infiltrator needs to be nerfed. Now what?

Not sure why a nerf is required here. That could any character in that top spot just about. And most players can't rack up that score just because they're running an infiltrator...not sure why people won't just say that actual skill is involved before they go screaming "nerf!!!"Then you're not taking into account the other players play style, skill and about a hundred other factors that go onto any single game and individual scores. 

That's not the point. I posted that picture because Kyerea said people want nerfs because of their position in the scoreboard. I doubled the other two's score with the GI, and I still say he needs to be nerfed. NOT because of that scoreboard.

Nope the GI does not need to be nerfed, honestlty why don't everyone just ask for the whole chuffing multiplayer characters and weapons be nerfed, then watch MP go down the drain, honestly im sick and tired of this all together.  

[Rokayt]

Lathrim wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Why is this thread up.

There hasn't been a pro nerf thread for a week and a half.

How about I make an OFFICIAL PETITON: NERF ALL THE THINGS thread? 

Ehh. I like sane people to appear here on these forums. Please no.

The histeria would be too much.

Modifié par Rokayt, 17 août 2012 - 12:14 .

[Rokayt]

Lathrim wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

Why is this thread up.

There hasn't been a pro nerf thread for a week and a half.

How about I make an OFFICIAL PETITON: NERF ALL THE THINGS thread? 

Ehh. I like sane people to appear here on these forums. Please no.

The histeria would be too much.

Lol. People would take the thread seriously even if I put a huge disclaimer on caps saying it's just a joke. 

If you made the OP a guide on how to orgasim in multiplayer, people would still take it seriously.

As a nerf thread.

[Pete Zahut]

I hate nerfs. They should buff all the ultra rares so they are on a different tier. The wraith should be the best shotgun in the game because of how difficult it is to get compared to a piranha.

[Angel Beats]

Rokayt wrote...

If you made the OP a guide on how to orgasim in multiplayer, people would still take it seriously.

As a nerf thread.

This thread should be made regardless.

[Rokayt]

Angel Beats wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

If you made the OP a guide on how to orgasim in multiplayer, people would still take it seriously.

As a nerf thread.

This thread should be made regardless.

TL:DR.

Die nerfer.

Modifié par Rokayt, 17 août 2012 - 12:28 .

[ParkBom]

Angel Beats wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

If you made the OP a guide on how to orgasim in multiplayer, people would still take it seriously.

As a nerf thread.

This thread should be made regardless.

+1

[Uberschveinen]

You know the answer. More balance gives longevity. Less balance makes for a less enjoyable game. No balance makes a game effectively unplayable.

The better question is why do some people keep phrasing ridiculous passive-aggressive attacks on anyone who has ever supported a balance change as genuine questions? It's not like anyone is fooled.

[ParkBom]

Threads like these always get interesting.

[LordDeathkeeper]

I honestly haven't even seen that many GIs about despite people saying it's used to make the game easy-mode.

[Dream-Maker]

Come on, this thread again ?

You may think that balance isn't important to a coop game but bioware disagrees. The proof being that they have been making balance changes since the game is out. They also stated clearly serveral times that they thought balance is important for this game, that they prefer to achieve it by buffing but that nerfing is sometimes necessary.

The rest is just opinion from players. Some people wish for buffs to things, some others wish for nerfs to other things and that's it. They can even have different opinions depending on the things they are talking about, sometimes they will say "buff", sometimes "nerf", sometimes "don't change it". Yes I know this can be hard for some of you to grasp but someone wishing a nerf for something can wish a buff for many other things also and does not necessarily want to "nerf everything to the ground". Nothing is all black or white.

What I don't understand is why people like the OP can't take an opinion for what it is (an opinion) and feel obliged to go freaking out every single time they hear the word "nerf". Forums are for discussion and if you're not able to disagree with someone without assuming that he's like the biggest as***le on the planet and just wants to ruin your game then I'm sorry but you just shouldn't post there.

If you really are butthurt and angry by some of the nerfs, and are so desperate to blame someone for it just blame Bioware. They are the ones who decide what balance changes to implement. Not the "nerfers". Stop finding scapegoats for that. But since most of you still enjoy this game anyway you will just continue with this same hypocritical stance of the evil-outscored-nerfers-to-who-the-great-but-misguided-bioware-are-listening-to-although-it-doesn't-make-any-damn-sense..

[Muhkida]

Here's a good question. Why does Bioware keep releasing new guns that are obviously going to be considered OP?

[Rokayt]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Threads like these always get interesting.

It gets really unfortunate when the people stay serious for a third of the post.

[Infinitio]

CivvieWarrior20 wrote...

Lathrim wrote...

*sighs*

Balance is important to add longetivity to a game. If every single weapon, character and power in the game has it's own uses, the game will be played for a longer amount of time as there is more variety. Then there's the challenge. Why have Gold and/or Platinum if it is easy when the correct weapon/character is used? It should be hard no matter what you use.

Doesn't that fall to the developers to make the content challenging not reducing the effectiveness of equipment/abilities?

Not sure if this been posted yet but. The devs can make the content challenging but what do you base this off of? Challenging when using the worst weapons? Well then some weapons make the game way to easy. Challenging based on the best weapons? Then you cant use anything else. If you make it challenging based on the mid range weapons than you still have some that are worthless and some that are clearly better. The obvious answer is to make all the weapons equally good.

There are only two ways to make all the weapons equally good. Nerf the best things, or buff everything up to the standard of the best things. But again if the best weapons make the game too easy and you buff everything to that point then the game is too easy with any gun. Now do you nerf everything back or buff EVERY enemy in the game?
Nerfing 1 weapon is WAY less work than all of this.

(inb4 or maybe after, "But some people will use guns that are bad anyway" being a hipster and using the "terrible" guns isnt the "normal" play that a game is balanced based on.)

If 4 X class all using Y weapon or Z power is way better than any other choice so much so that people will refuse to play with you if you arnt doing that, you guys still believe bioware should do nothing about this?

(Yes I was kicked from a LOT of games for "not being an infiltrator" in the earlier days when 4x infiltrator teams were basically the "easiest" way to clear gold (when it was still considered hard))

[Angel Beats]

Rokayt wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Threads like these always get interesting.

It gets really unfortunate when the people stay serious for a third of the post.

If a thread like that involves the Harrier than I make the joke involving the Harrier from Call of Duty. I find it quite amusing.

[marcustheMezz]

I haven't played ME3 other than for the weekend operations in weeks, I just haven't had fun killing 10 waves of bullet sponges, that got real boring real fast. 
Think about Left 4 Dead zombies VS. CoD Black ops zombies(on higher levels), it's more fun to be able to mow down waves of enemies rather than waste an entire magazine to kill one guy.

[ParkBom]

Angel Beats wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Threads like these always get interesting.

It gets really unfortunate when the people stay serious for a third of the post.

If a thread like that involves the Harrier than I make the joke involving the Harrier from Call of Duty. I find it quite amusing.

I was playing with a noob friend of mine and his friend (was playing Minecraft) was listening. My friend goes "Hey, should I use the Harrier and Claymore or Claymore and Predator." (On his Adept. ) His friend goes "Wait! They're naming all the weapons after killstreaks in Call of Duty???" My friend goes "Yeah!"

Me:

[Rokayt]

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Angel Beats wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Threads like these always get interesting.

It gets really unfortunate when the people stay serious for a third of the post.

If a thread like that involves the Harrier than I make the joke involving the Harrier from Call of Duty. I find it quite amusing.

I was playing with a noob friend of mine and his friend (was playing Minecraft) was listening. My friend goes "Hey, should I use the Harrier and Claymore or Claymore and Predator." (On his Adept. ) His friend goes "Wait! They're naming all the weapons after killstreaks in Call of Duty???" My friend goes "Yeah!"

Me:

Wait. Claymores are not a killstreak.

[Bleachrude]

Should be noted, Reapers haven't actually had any changes since the demo.

A gold level marauder at the time of the demo has the exact same stats (hp, damage, accuracy) as of today....

[ParkBom]

Rokayt wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Angel Beats wrote...

Rokayt wrote...

JusticarFlareon wrote...

Threads like these always get interesting.

It gets really unfortunate when the people stay serious for a third of the post.

If a thread like that involves the Harrier than I make the joke involving the Harrier from Call of Duty. I find it quite amusing.

I was playing with a noob friend of mine and his friend (was playing Minecraft) was listening. My friend goes "Hey, should I use the Harrier and Claymore or Claymore and Predator." (On his Adept. ) His friend goes "Wait! They're naming all the weapons after killstreaks in Call of Duty???" My friend goes "Yeah!"

Me:

Wait. Claymores are not a killstreak.

From what I know (I play VERY little CoD) Harriers are. Don't know about Predators or Claymores.