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[JC_aka_fps_john]

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

[Taboo]

Is a house a home?

Is a chair just a chair, even when it's just sitting there?

[JBPBRC]

Because there's mostly talky-techy science fiction with "magic" sprinkled in every now and then like Star Trek and Mass Effect 1, and then there's science-fantasy like Star Wars where space magic (The Force) is woven into the fiber of the futuristic franchise itself.

I don't mind space magic at all personally, if that's what I expect from the universe. Star Wars and WH40k being good examples. Space magic can work well even in talky-techy sci-fi like Star Trek if used properly--such as Q.

It wasn't used properly here. Not by a long shot.

[o Ventus]

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

I've been on internet forums too long to really tell if somebody is trolling or not.

Are you?

[Versus Omnibus]

Because Mass Effect is Science Fiction, not Future Fantasy.

[F4H bandicoot]

You can;t explain the how things like synthesis works with the lore, therefore it's magic.
You can explain the vast majority of everything else in the universe, therefore it's not magic.

[o Ventus]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

You can;t explain the how things like synthesis works with the lore, therefore it's magic.
You can explain the vast majority of everything else in the universe, therefore it's not magic.

Crudely put, this.

[Armass81]

No its not, Mass Effect is not Alice in Wonderland.

[Terminus Echoes]

Mass Effect painstakingly explains how everything works. How the Mass Relays work, how Element Zero works, even how the Geth work.

The fate-of-the-world decision, the solution to the Reaper threat, is only explained in function, and with the presented data, makes no sense.

[JC_aka_fps_john]

o Ventus wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

I've been on internet forums too long to really tell if somebody is trolling or not.

Are you?

To an extent, yes, but the point is still valid.  Element zero, the basis of just about everything in Mass Effect, is pure space magic, but nobody bats an eyelid at that

[Versus Omnibus]

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

I've been on internet forums too long to really tell if somebody is trolling or not.

Are you?

To an extent, yes, but the point is still valid.  Element zero, the basis of just about everything in Mass Effect, is pure space magic, but nobody bats an eyelid at that

But Eezo is still explained how it works and what it does. It doesn't need to be scientifically possible, it just needs an explaination.

The Crucible doesn't explain how it does anything; it just does it.

[D24O]

Does this prove IT?

[KoorahUK]

Clarke's Three Laws are three "laws" of prediction formulated by the British writer and scientist Arthur C. Clarke. They are:

1. When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.

2. The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.

3. Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.

[Tealjaker94]

Suspension of disbelief. Most things, like FTL, are fine. They're explained within lore and make the experience better. Some things, like the Lazarus Project, start to stretch it. These aren't explained as well but we can get past them as long as they benefit the story. And a few things, namely Synthesis, completely shatter the suspension of disbelief. They either lack any sort of explanation or are explained in a way that only makes them more absurd i.e. New DNA WTF?! They don't benefit the overall plot of the game and are thus dismissed as space magic.

[JC_aka_fps_john]

Speezy wrote...

Element Zero is explained within the confines of the lore. And makes sense within the setting.

"Element zero is a material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can raise or lower the mass of matter. A positive current increases mass, a negative current decreases it"


That isn't an explanation. It's a black box of science designed to allow something inexplicable that defies the laws of science as we know them (i.e. space magic).



Which I'm fine with, that's why I like science fiction. What annoys me is how selective people are being about this. It's all space magic, accept it.

[o Ventus]

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

"Element zero is a material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can raise or lower the mass of matter. A positive current increases mass, a negative current decreases it"


That isn't an explanation. It's a black box of science designed to allow something inexplicable that defies the laws of science as we know them (i.e. space magic).



Which I'm fine with, that's why I like science fiction. What annoys me is how selective people are being about this. It's all space magic, accept it.

You know eezo is based on actual theoretical physics, right?

[The Angry One]

I've had enough of your disingenuous assertions.

[DeadpoolBub]

My problem with the space magic is that it came out of nowhere. The Crucible was built to destroy the Reapers, but now it has the power to control them or change everyone's DNA? wut

[zambot]

There is space magic you introduce at the beginning of a sci-fi story that you base your world upon.

Then there is space magic that you use to resolve the plot of your sci-fi story in the very last chapter.

One of these two things makes your story silly.

[JC_aka_fps_john]

o Ventus wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

"Element zero is a material that, when subjected to an electrical current, releases dark energy which can raise or lower the mass of matter. A positive current increases mass, a negative current decreases it"


That isn't an explanation. It's a black box of science designed to allow something inexplicable that defies the laws of science as we know them (i.e. space magic).



Which I'm fine with, that's why I like science fiction. What annoys me is how selective people are being about this. It's all space magic, accept it.

You know eezo is based on actual theoretical physics, right?

The idea of dark energy is, albeit with a lot of creative license. Eezo is purely fictional

[o Ventus]

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

The idea of dark energy is, albeit with a lot of creative license. Eezo is purely fictional

Eezo takes properties from both antimatter and dark matter. 

So...

[shepdog77]

What about this.

[ShepnTali]

It's fine to have a story about a magic box. It's not fine to introduce a magic banana at the end of the story that turns the magic box into a donkey. The end.