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[Meltemph]

But it IS though according to my opinion. I love it when a series totally shakes things up at the end. You feel the jar as much as the main character and it's brilliant. But you can't seem to comprehend that.

This little line makes you a fairly massive hypocrate with your martyr complex and all that. You are creating these overly emotional arguements, when the entire arguement is the validity of the mechanics used to tell teh story.

There are people who believe that the kind of story you are defending, is a crappy of of telling a story(or at least finishing one), you apparently think it is mind boggeling that people dont think this is a good way to write a story, umm, ok then.

And I notice you love making sure you make it a point to say that there are other people who think like you... Congrats? You also go out of your way to point out that those unhappy with the ending are now the minority, well whatever the hell does that have to do with anything?

Oh and in before your say, the "anti-enders" as you like to call it, does it to. That doesnt make it any less annoying.

IF there is a worst side of the people who dont like the ending, I would say you are the other side of that equation, with the people who do like the ending.

You have added nothing to the actual discussion of the merits of the story, other then to say you like what they did, and then try to cry about how people are so mean to those who like it, while doing your best to try and insult the people you are complaining about insulting you...

Most people were willing to tolerate the rule breaking that ME did through-out the series, but it was continuely growing since ME2, all ME3 is is the final nail in the perverbial coffin of the peopel who were already starting to become disapointed with the direction the series started to go, via ME2, with the more fanciful points.

Modifié par Meltemph, 17 août 2012 - 07:48 .

[Blueprotoss]

JBPBRC wrote...

Skynet was beaten conventionally, that's what started the whole time travel thing--to beat the Resistance via unconventional means.

If thats the case then there would have been no Judgement Day in T3 and you can't stop the Internet.

[Krunjar]

Ooooh I have a matyr complex now do i? I already mentioned that people are welcome to their own opinions they just aren't allowed to flame and invalidate other peoples because of them. I have said several times that I don't care or mind that people hate the ending but attacking the validity of the mechanics is just impolite to those who have very concise and logical reasons for loving the ending. Because anything other than opinion in this regard is just groundless head-cannon and neither side can prove or disprove anything. What I advocate is treating the other side with respect and quoting me out of context will not change that.I was not talking about comprehending that my opinion was correct I was talking about comprehending that my opinion was valid.

Modifié par Krunjar, 17 août 2012 - 08:02 .

[Blueprotoss]

noobcannon wrote...

star wars fans are introduced to the force early on in star wars, not the last 5 minutes of return of the jedi while the death star is blowing up. that's why synthesis is labeled "space magic".

Yet the Force wasn't explained even down to the microsopic level other then midochlorians.

noobcannon wrote... 

also i'm not sure "space magic" is a real word, so arguing over what is and what isn't space magic/fantasy/fiction seems irrelevant.

Agreed because there's always magic involved.

noobcannon wrote...

the title of this thread is "why does everyone complain about space magic?", so i provided an answer.

If thats the case then you might have contradicted yourself. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 08:07 .

[Blueprotoss]

UniqueName001 wrote...

You ran screaming right past my point.  The Force makes sense in the Star Wars universe because it is part of the baseline.  If you were to insert it now into the Mass Effect universe, it would be just as much "space magic" as synthesis.

Element Zero is the baseline for ME just like the Force is the baseline for Star Wars.

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
How is that when Cthulu and Skynet are never killed.

Skynet was beaten and killed in not only the movies (The reason for the time travel shennanigans) but also in the books, and games.

And unless I'm mightly mistaken, Cthulu get's whooped in the game. Probably not killed, but you certainly don't loose to him.

How is that when the Reapers themselves aren't fully explained.  Either way we're told from the beginning that the Crucible is a super weapon that nobody knows what it will do other then how to build it.  No matter what happened at the end some people would be mad.

"Hey, we found all this tech by the Collector Base that allows us to build a Super-Wave Motion Gun based on either kinetic, Thanix, or Laser tech and we can now mop up the Reapers. Or we need to use it in conjunction with an all out attack on the Reaper Facility on the other side of the Citadel-Rely."

[Meltemph]

I have said several times that I don't care or mind that people hate the ending but attacking the validity of the mechanics is just impolite to those who have very concise and logical reasons for loving the ending.

My freaking goodness, you sir need to get over yourself if you honestly believe that peopel cant attack the mechanics of a story that they feel is bullcrap, because you personally like it. It is called a difference of opinion, and the whole idea behind that is, they disagree that something is not what the other thinks it is.

Chances are if you like the mechanics of the way the story was told, and the other does not, they are not going to agree with your "logic and reason" anywho, so why the hell would that be off limits? What, someone not thinking the same way as you makes you that upset?

Guess what, all the people who think the mechanics to the ending and the story, in general, are good? Those same people think that those who, believe that the ending mechanics are horse crap, have crappy opinions; hell you are proving it right here, that you think my opinion that the mechanics are crap, is a bad/stupid/mean/ect opinion, and you know what? I am absoluteluy ok with people thinking like and they are prefectly fine thinking like that, as long as they keep on frickign topic(or atleast game relevent) and not turn it into an emotional console session because 1 person thinks they have the moral high-ground.

Just keep it about the fricking game...

Modifié par Meltemph, 17 août 2012 - 08:12 .

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Skynet was beaten and killed in not only the movies (The reason for the time travel shennanigans) but also in the books, and games.

Skynet can't be killed just like how extinction is unavoidable and you can't kill the Internet.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

And unless I'm mightly mistaken, Cthulu get's whooped in the game. Probably not killed, but you certainly don't loose to him.

Cthulu can be unsummoned while he can't be killed.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

"Hey, we found all this tech by the Collector Base that allows us to build a Super-Wave Motion Gun based on either kinetic, Thanix, or Laser tech and we can now mop up the Reapers. Or we need to use it in conjunction with an all out attack on the Reaper Facility on the other side of the Citadel-Rely."

I highly doubt there's enough resources of time, energy, and manpower to do so against millions of Reapers still wasting billions of lives.

[Blueprotoss]

Sion1138 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Sion1138 wrote... 

Again, I'm not even against the Catalyst, if only it had been introduced EARLIER and had more exposition.

Thats okay while he was shown in the begining of ME3.

No. That kid was not the Catalyst.

I see you missed the dreams and all of the signs from those same dreams.

[noobcannon]

Blueprotoss wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

star wars fans are introduced to the force early on in star wars, not the last 5 minutes of return of the jedi while the death star is blowing up. that's why synthesis is labeled "space magic".

Yet the Force wasn't explained even down to the microsopic level other then midochlorians.

noobcannon wrote... 

also i'm not sure "space magic" is a real word, so arguing over what is and what isn't space magic/fantasy/fiction seems irrelevant.

Agreed because there's always magic involved.

noobcannon wrote...

the title of this thread is "why does everyone complain about space magic?", so i provided an answer.

If thats the case then you might have contradicted yourself. 

how did i contradict myself?

[F4H bandicoot]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Sion1138 wrote... 

Again, I'm not even against the Catalyst, if only it had been introduced EARLIER and had more exposition.

Thats okay while he was shown in the begining of ME3.

No. That kid was not the Catalyst.

I see you missed the dreams and all of the signs from those same dreams.

You realise the Kid is not actually the Catalyst right??

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Skynet can't be killed just like how extinction is unavoidable and you can't kill the Internet.

Yes you can, destroy all the servers. Duh.

I highly doubt there's enough resources of time, energy, and manpower to do so against millions of Reapers still wasting billions of lives.

And yet we could still build the Crucible. Yeah... no.

[Krunjar]

Meltemph wrote...

I have said several times that I don't care or mind that people hate the ending but attacking the validity of the mechanics is just impolite to those who have very concise and logical reasons for loving the ending.

My freaking goodness, you sir need to get over yourself if you honestly believe that peopel cant attack the mechanics of a story that they feel is bullcrap, because you personally like it. It is called a difference of opinion, and the whole idea behind that is, they disagree that something is not what the other thinks it is.

Chances are if you like the mechanics of the way the story was told, and the other does not, they are not going to agree with your "logic and reason" anywho, so why the hell would that be off limits? What, someone not thinking the same way as you makes you that upset?

Guess what, all the people who think the mechanics to the ending and the story, in general, are good? Those same people think that those who, believe that the ending mechanics are horse crap, have crappy opinions; hell you are proving it right here, that you think my opinion that the mechanics are crap, is a bad/stupid/mean/ect opinion, and you know what? I am absoluteluy ok with people thinking like and they are prefectly fine thinking like that, as long as they keep on frickign topic(or atleast game relevent) and not turn it into an emotional console session because 1 person thinks they have the moral high-ground.

Just keep it about the fricking game...

You epitomise what I hate about this forum. You can't accept other peoples opinions. You see anything you don't like as automatically being bad. And now you accuse me of being a drama queen for having the cahones to defend my own opinion. You "SIR" have done nothing but insult me from the moment you started writing. I am back to being done with the BSN. Have fun stroking your own ego's and self deluded senses of personal entitlement. Honestly I sympathise with the dev's at this point. The creators of Mass Effect deserve better fans.

[Blueprotoss]

Meltemph wrote...

My freaking goodness, you sir need to get over yourself if you honestly believe that peopel cant attack the mechanics of a story that they feel is bullcrap, because you personally like it. It is called a difference of opinion, and the whole idea behind that is, they disagree that something is not what the other thinks it is.

Yet you're causing a paradox since you're telling someone that they can't have an opinion while you're still using your own opinion.

Meltemph wrote... 

Chances are if you like the mechanics of the way the story was told, and the other does not, they are not going to agree with your "logic and reason" anywho, so why the hell would that be off limits? What, someone not thinking the same way as you makes you that upset? 

Yet that is basic logic and reasoning not specific logica or reasoning attached to him.

Meltemph wrote... 

Guess what, all the people who think the mechanics to the ending and the story, in general, are good? Those same people think that those who, believe that the ending mechanics are horse crap, have crappy opinions; hell you are proving it right here, that you think my opinion that the mechanics are crap, is a bad/stupid/mean/ect opinion, and you know what? I am absoluteluy ok with people thinking like and they are prefectly fine thinking like that, as long as they keep on frickign topic(or atleast game relevent) and not turn it into an emotional console session because 1 person thinks they have the moral high-ground. 

Yet again you seem to create a paradox on opinion.

Meltemph wrote... 

Just keep it about the fricking game...

Yet you're overreacting and insulting people over a "fricking game".

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 08:21 .

[noobcannon]

Krunjar wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

I have said several times that I don't care or mind that people hate the ending but attacking the validity of the mechanics is just impolite to those who have very concise and logical reasons for loving the ending.

My freaking goodness, you sir need to get over yourself if you honestly believe that peopel cant attack the mechanics of a story that they feel is bullcrap, because you personally like it. It is called a difference of opinion, and the whole idea behind that is, they disagree that something is not what the other thinks it is.

Chances are if you like the mechanics of the way the story was told, and the other does not, they are not going to agree with your "logic and reason" anywho, so why the hell would that be off limits? What, someone not thinking the same way as you makes you that upset?

Guess what, all the people who think the mechanics to the ending and the story, in general, are good? Those same people think that those who, believe that the ending mechanics are horse crap, have crappy opinions; hell you are proving it right here, that you think my opinion that the mechanics are crap, is a bad/stupid/mean/ect opinion, and you know what? I am absoluteluy ok with people thinking like and they are prefectly fine thinking like that, as long as they keep on frickign topic(or atleast game relevent) and not turn it into an emotional console session because 1 person thinks they have the moral high-ground.

Just keep it about the fricking game...

You epitomise what I hate about this forum. You can't accept other peoples opinions. You see anything you don't like as automatically being bad. And now you accuse me of being a drama queen for having the cahones to defend my own opinion. You "SIR" have done nothing but insult me from the moment you started writing. I am back to being done with the BSN. Have fun stroking your own ego's and self deluded senses of personal entitlement. Honestly I sympathise with the dev's at this point. The creators of Mass Effect deserve better fans.

seriously guys. he's done. for real this time.

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Yes you can, destroy all the servers. Duh.

To do so you would need to get past or defeat the millions of ground, air, or water based Terminators along with millions of servers.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

And yet we could still build the Crucible. Yeah... no.

Yet the general focus was on the Crucible and the Reapers didn't bother with the developement of the Crucible.

[Blueprotoss]

noobcannon wrote...

seriously guys. he's done. for real this time.

Ignorance will only breed more ignorance like this comment.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 08:26 .

[majormajormmajor]

Krunjar wrote...

Ooooh I have a matyr complex now do i? I already mentioned that people are welcome to their own opinions they just aren't allowed to flame and invalidate other peoples because of them. I have said several times that I don't care or mind that people hate the ending but attacking the validity of the mechanics is just impolite to those who have very concise and logical reasons for loving the ending. Because anything other than opinion in this regard is just groundless head-cannon and neither side can prove or disprove anything. What I advocate is treating the other side with respect and quoting me out of context will not change that.I was not talking about comprehending that my opinion was correct I was talking about comprehending that my opinion was valid.

You're becoming hysterical, dear

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
To do so you would need to get past or defeat the millions of ground, air, or water based Terminators along with millions of servers.

Don't have to. The nukes going off would've taken most of them offline anyway, since you know, they aren't shielded against EMP attacks.

Yet the general focus was on the Crucible and the Reapers didn't bother with the developement of the Crucible.

Our better super-weapon would take the place of the Crucible. It defiantly wouldn't garner thier attention because this would've been something TRULY new.

[noobcannon]

Blueprotoss wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

seriously guys. he's done. for real this time.

Ignorance will only breed more ignorance like this comment.

wow really? my comment was ignorant?

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Don't have to. The nukes going off would've taken most of them offline anyway, since you know, they aren't shielded against EMP attacks.

How is that why Nukes do way more harm to us because of the radiation, fallout, and EMP damage.  You also forget that Skynet and its Terminators hold most of the unused nukes while there are most likely Terminators and safety protocols for Skynet to survive massive EMP attacks.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Our better super-weapon would take the place of the Crucible. It defiantly wouldn't garner thier attention because this would've been something TRULY new.

Yet assume that "super waepon" would be better then the Crucible, which it wouldn't have.  The Crucible is an atuo-win button while your "super weapon" would be more of a sucide button from wasted resources.

[Blueprotoss]

noobcannon wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

seriously guys. he's done. for real this time.

Ignorance will only breed more ignorance like this comment.

wow really? my comment was ignorant?

Insulting people is.

[JBPBRC]

Blueprotoss wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Skynet was beaten conventionally, that's what started the whole time travel thing--to beat the Resistance via unconventional means.

If thats the case then there would have been no Judgement Day in T3 and you can't stop the Internet.

Judgment Day in the Terminator universe is inevitable, they explain this in T3. The timing may not be precise, but the event will happen sooner or later. This is irrelevant of whether or not Terminators are time traveling since originally, it was just Skynet being activated.

[Blueprotoss]

JBPBRC wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

JBPBRC wrote...

Skynet was beaten conventionally, that's what started the whole time travel thing--to beat the Resistance via unconventional means.

If thats the case then there would have been no Judgement Day in T3 and you can't stop the Internet.

Judgment Day in the Terminator universe is inevitable, they explain this in T3. The timing may not be precise, but the event will happen sooner or later. This is irrelevant of whether or not Terminators are time traveling since originally, it was just Skynet being activated.

I already knew that Judgement Day is inevitable while Skynet switched from an established base from T1 and T2 to an Internet hub in T3 while Salavation continued with that.