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[Blueprotoss]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not playing good samartian while its easier to have a debate then an argument, which is why its best not to insult people. 

This is just painful to read, shouldn't you be constructing additional pylons or something.

I see the best comment must be an insult. then

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

a sarcastic comment isn't an insult, and most of the people you try to "debate" with calls you a troll

An insult is an insult while I love how you're backtracking like usual.  Btw you still need to learn the definition of "troll" since you're the acting like a "troll" since you joined this topic.

[Ticonderoga117]

LilLino wrote...
Synthesis? I'd say it's on the same level as biotics or Omni-DoEverythingWithOneButton-Tools.

Let's see.

Synthesis: Change ALL LIFE within the GALAXY to spontaneously grow CYBORGNETICS OUT OF THIN AIR with no given information how that is even remotely possible.

Versus:

Biotics: Applying common sense applications (for most of the powers anyway) of dark energy to normal use through somewhat wishy-washy explanation.

So, how are they the same again?

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Where can you buy EMP shielded servers? I'm interested where this fantasy store is.

There are casings for electronics that you can by that exist while they're pretty expensive, which is how the military and billion dollar corporations can afford them.  Please do the research next time.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

So, it's a waste... because it's  a waste. Uh huh.... 

The Crucible is the best chance to defeat the Reapers without a test while you would waste resources to test that "super weapon" of yours.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Synthesis. Element Zero does not do anything LIKE that remotely.

Element Zero actually is a part of the Crucible, which allows biotics to have their powers.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

It's not opinion, it's how you write a good story. If you break suspension of disbelief, your story plummets because the reader's immersion is shot to s***.

It is opinion based on how writing is subjective in nature and Bioware created ME not us.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

LilLino wrote...
Synthesis? I'd say it's on the same level as biotics or Omni-DoEverythingWithOneButton-Tools.

Let's see.

Synthesis: Change ALL LIFE within the GALAXY to spontaneously grow CYBORGNETICS OUT OF THIN AIR with no given information how that is even remotely possible.

Versus:

Biotics: Applying common sense applications (for most of the powers anyway) of dark energy to normal use through somewhat wishy-washy explanation. 

So, how are they the same again?

I guess Synthetics is a new thing for you like the Cylon in Battlestar Galatica, th Borg in Star Trek, and the Replicators in Stargate. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 10:07 .

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

LilLino wrote...
Synthesis? I'd say it's on the same level as biotics or Omni-DoEverythingWithOneButton-Tools.

Let's see.

Synthesis: Change ALL LIFE within the GALAXY to spontaneously grow CYBORGNETICS OUT OF THIN AIR with no given information how that is even remotely possible.

Versus:

Biotics: Applying common sense applications (for most of the powers anyway) of dark energy to normal use through somewhat wishy-washy explanation. 

So, how are they the same again?

I guess Synthetics is a new thing for you like the Cylon in Battlestar Galatica, th Borg in Star Trek, and the Replicators in Stargate. 

he said Synthesis not Synthetics

[ShepnTali]

lol...

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
There are casings for electronics that you can by that exist while they're pretty expensive, which is how the military and billion dollar corporations can afford them.  Please do the research next time.

So just the military uses them because they are expensive. So yeah.
Also, you'll need to spend an arm and a leg to have an isolated power supply to avoid the electrical surge.
Servers still knocked out, you still wrong.

The Crucible is the best chance to defeat the Reapers without a test while you would waste resources to test that "super weapon" of yours.

And right there that's part of the "Why this is stupid." You NEVER build a crazy big and powerful device without testing it somewhat, if only to make sure it doesn't explode or fail horribly. For all we know before the battle, some engineer forgot to convert measurements and then the Crucible explodes when someone tries to move it.

Element Zero actually is a part of the Crucible, which allows biotics to have their powers.

Yes, but it does not in any way, shape, or form, allow the control of Reapers, the Destuction of technology, or blending organic and synthetic life.

It is opinion based on how writing is subjective in nature and Bioware created ME not us.

Again, you pull something from far left-field and it will suck, because it doesn't make any sense.

I guess Synthetics is a new thing for you like the Cylon in Battlestar Galatica, th Borg in Star Trek, and the Replicators in Stargate. 

But all of those are explained.

Cylons are engineered clones with some tech in them.
The Borg use nanoprobes (nanites) to do the change.
And the replicators are pure machine and NEVER had any organic bits.

Modifié par Ticonderoga117, 17 août 2012 - 10:27 .

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I guess Synthetics is a new thing for you like the Cylon in Battlestar Galatica, th Borg in Star Trek, and the Replicators in Stargate. 

he said Synthesis not Synthetics

Yet you seemed have missed what the examples are.

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

So just the military uses them because they are expensive. So yeah.
Also, you'll need to spend an arm and a leg to have an isolated power supply to avoid the electrical surge.
Servers still knocked out, you still wrong.

Time, energy, and manpower are more important then credits.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

And right there that's part of the "Why this is stupid." You NEVER build a crazy big and powerful device without testing it somewhat, if only to make sure it doesn't explode or fail horribly. For all we know before the battle, some engineer forgot to convert measurements and then the Crucible explodes when someone tries to move it.

Yet you would rather have a unproven "super weapon" then the known enough Crucible.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Yes, but it does not in any way, shape, or form, allow the control of Reapers, the Destuction of technology, or blending organic and synthetic life.

Everything is based upon Element Zero whether its an organic or a synthetic.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Again, you pull something from far left-field and it will suck, because it doesn't make any sense.

How is that when writing is subjective and Bioware created ME not us.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Cylons are engineered clones with some tech in them.

Cylons are either Synthetic, Organic, or Both.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

The Borg use nanoprobes (nanites) to do the change.

The Borg are Synthetics infecting Organics to turn them into Synthetics.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

And the replicators are pure machine and NEVER had any organic bits.

The Replicators want to be Organic while they almost accomplished that goal.

[K. S. Black]

Edit: Realized what was said, my bad.

Modifié par K. S. Black, 17 août 2012 - 10:52 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Time, energy, and manpower are more important then credits.

What world do you live in?

Yet you would rather have a unproven "super weapon" then the known enough Crucible.

We knew nothing of the Crucible except it was incomplete. They build it anyway and HOPE that the find the missing piece. Incompetence, incompetence EVERYWHERE.

Everything is based upon Element Zero whether its an organic or a synthetic.

Some of the tech is, and that's about it. Still doesn't explain Synthesis.

Cylons are either Synthetic, Organic, or Both.

Appears to be Engineered Organic ala Miranda.

The Borg are Synthetics infecting Organics to turn them into Synthetics.

The Borg are Cyborgs who turn other organics and synthetics into Cyborgs.

The Replicators want to be Organic while they almost accomplished that goal.

The Human-form Replicators wish to ascend, not turn into organics.

None of your points refute the fact that these are all rather well explained unlike ME3's Synthesis beam of magic.

[Blueprotoss]

Sion1138 wrote...

No. The dreams do not appear to have anything to do with the Catalyst. It's supposed to just signify the lost.

So the Catalyst isn't the Reaper leader and that there were no indoctrination attempts on Sheprad then.

Sion1138 wrote... 

It's not in Shepard's mind all the time somehow. If that's what you're saying, you're basically talking about indoctrination.

The dreams are in his/her mind and we don't know if that happened at the end whether we're talking about the IT or not.

Sion1138 wrote... 

The Catalyst appears only, and exclusively, at the very end.

Nope.

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

What world do you live in?

In reality because everything takes time, energy, and manpower to produce something for a price.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

We knew nothing of the Crucible except it was incomplete. They build it anyway and HOPE that the find the missing piece. Incompetence, incompetence EVERYWHERE.

Yet we know the Crucible was tied to the defeat of the Reapers with its introduction unlike that "super weapon".  Heck we know more about the Crucible then the Reapers themselves.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Some of the tech is, and that's about it. Still doesn't explain Synthesis.

Everything is based on Element Zero while you're forgetting Destroy and Control.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Appears to be Engineered Organic ala Miranda.

Miranda isn't a robot while the clostest Cylon example would be EDI.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

The Borg are Cyborgs who turn other organics and synthetics into Cyborgs.

The Borg started ot to be robots hence the while nano-machines part.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

The Human-form Replicators wish to ascend, not turn into organics.

Yet thats an organic belief and practice.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

None of your points refute the fact that these are all rather well explained unlike ME3's Synthesis beam of magic.

Yet all of my points are fact based on their lores while you're focusing on opinion even when ME, Battlestar Galatica, Star Trek, and Stargate have space magic.

[Blueprotoss]

Speezy wrote...

If you seriously believe in the Indoctrination Theory then I have nothing to say.

I didn't say I believe in the IT while indoctrinated has been around since the beginning of ME1.

[Blueprotoss]

Sion1138 wrote... 

When I said: "It's not in Shepard's mind all the time.", by "It" I meant the Catalyst.

Yet you don't know that the Catalyst isn't in his mind.

Sion1138 wrote...  

And you're just being stubborn now.

I'm looking at the facts and opinions are just opinions.

Sion1138 wrote...  

There's just no defending this stuff. It's haphazard nonsense and Mac Walters is not a genius. These things happen when you don't plan ahead and are pressed for time.

How is that when writing is subjective and Walters has been on ME since ME1 like most of the other writers, programmers, animators, and etc have stayed up to ME3.  To say that no planning ahead was done because thats just an excuse.

[Blueprotoss]

Sion1138 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet thats an organic belief and practice.

 

What is an "organic belief", a carbon based belief?

Consume, Reproduce, Kill, and anything else that happens in nature while thats not limited to carbon based life.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 août 2012 - 11:35 .

[Ticonderoga117]

Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet we know the Crucible was tied to the defeat of the Reapers with its introduction unlike that "super weapon".  Heck we know more about the Crucible then the Reapers themselves.

In the beginning, we only knew the Protheans worked on it a bit, and it -might- be the key, for some reason. And that it creates a ton of energy. That's it. Said super-weapon would be known because it works on tech we know of already (kinetic, Thanix, Laser, EM Radiation, etc.). We knew more about the Reapers than the Crucible.

Everything is based on Element Zero while you're forgetting Destroy and Control.

The Geth aren't. Lasers aren't. Etc.
Destroy and Control are also pretty bad but no where near the levels of Synthesis.

Miranda isn't a robot while the clostest Cylon example would be EDI.

The Human-form Cyclons are pretty much all organic. You can't look at a Human-Cyclon and a Human and pick the right one unless you look at a molecular level.

The Borg started ot to be robots hence the while nano-machines part.

Nope. Watch the first Borg episode again.

Yet thats an organic belief and practice.

Apparently it's not an organic belief only and that doesn't mean they want to do that.

Yet all of my points are fact based on their lores while you're focusing on opinion even when ME, Battlestar Galatica, Star Trek, and Stargate have space magic.

It isn't space magic when it's explained. For the hundreth time, that's a key difference. It's explained with the rules of the universe. Synthesis doesn't. Sure, on a small scale, person by person basis, sure. However, a Galaxy wide change in the span of a few minutes is BULL. Try again.

[SP2219]

Science fiction is not space magic.  Science fiction is fiction set in our universe.  A science fiction author acknowledges the laws of physics and cleverly subverts them to make the story more believable.  Subvert does not mean destroy or ignore in this context.  Good science fiction does not ignore physical laws; it acknowledges their existence and respects them.  If this is done properly we believe more in the setting, the legitamacy of the plot, and hence the characters and themes become that much more powerful.  We therefore are able to enjoy the fiction to a greater extent.  We become absorbed in the fiction and believe that it could be real.  Events in the story carry emotional weight because things happen in a manner that is plausible.  Good science fiction must respects things like cause and effect, Einstein's theory of relativity, and if you're really good, quantum mechanics.

Space magic does none of those things.  It is the opposite of good science fiction.  Space magic BREAKS the suspension of disbelief in science fiction, and hence the story being told, because magic is the antithesis of science.

I'll ask you this.  If anything in a story can happen via magic, why should you care about anything that happens? 

[Blueprotoss]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

In the beginning, we only knew the Protheans worked on it a bit, and it -might- be the key, for some reason. And that it creates a ton of energy. That's it. Said super-weapon would be known because it works on tech we know of already (kinetic, Thanix, Laser, EM Radiation, etc.). We knew more about the Reapers than the Crucible.

If thats the case then the Crucible wouldn't be needed to defeat the Reapers if we knew more about them then the Crucible.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

The Geth aren't. Lasers aren't. Etc.

Yet they're still based around Mass Effect drives, which happen to have Element Zero in them.

Ticonderoga117 wrote... 

Destroy and Control are also pretty bad but no where near the levels of Synthesis.

Yet you only point out Synthesis.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...  

The Human-form Cyclons are pretty much all organic. You can't look at a Human-Cyclon and a Human and pick the right one unless you look at a molecular level.

Miranda is a female clone of her father not a robot.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...  

Nope. Watch the first Borg episode again.

The closest thing to the origin story is in Star Trek: Enterprise, which isn't what you're talking about.

Ticonderoga117 wrote...   

Apparently it's not an organic belief only and that doesn't mean they want to do that.

gain ascension is still an organic belief and practice. 

Ticonderoga117 wrote...   

It isn't space magic when it's explained. For the hundreth time, that's a key difference. It's explained with the rules of the universe. Synthesis doesn't. Sure, on a small scale, person by person basis, sure. However, a Galaxy wide change in the span of a few minutes is BULL. Try again.

There doesn't need to be an explaination for something to be labeled magic or not just like biotics in ME, pregnant robots in Battlestar Galactica, Q in Star Trek most of the beings in Stargate, or the Force in Star Wars.  The irony here is you're the one resorting to bull instead of logic.

[Blueprotoss]

Sion1138 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Sion1138 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet thats an organic belief and practice.

 

What is an "organic belief", a carbon based belief?

Consume, Reproduce, Kill, and anything else that happens in nature while thats not limited to carbon based life.

Those aren't beliefs, they are a collection behaviours necessary for survival. They are all mechanical.

And exactly, they are not limited to any specific form of life. Thereby you must conclude that on the most fundamental of levels, there is no difference between organic or whatever other kind of life there might be.

The Replicators of Stargate were not "trying to become organic" or following any fundamentally "organic" beliefs or thought patterns.

The "ascension" thing though, is rather stupid. I'll give you that. It's possibly on par with ME space-magic. But again, it was introduced into the series much earlier, and we had quite a few episodes dealing with it before the Human Replicator arc, so it was barely acceptable. I didn't like it but hey...

I guess what I'm trying to say here is concerning your constant comparisons of ME to the various sci-fi series. These series all lasted a long time and every important concept was introduced before the coup de grâce. You can't really compare the two. 

Plus, in Mass Effect, it's all left to the last 10 minutes.

If you're instead in the facts of the lore then you shouldn't be focusing on opinion.