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[Mazebook]

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

you are embarrassing yourself... this will not end well.


Yeah, except one of those two is physically impossible, and thus "magic".

Yes supernatural is not possible... but only because you know how to create fire with a device.

If the concept of fire would be alien to you...it would seem like magic to you. Because you would not even have the slightest Idea what it is. 

Also do you think we know everything about the universe and have discovered every possible technologie.
That is basicly what you are saying.

You're deliberately being anti-intellectual, aren't you? 

and you have no concept of the unknown? Every Scientist would tell you that we only know and understand very very little about the universe and possible technologies is known today. We can not foresee what will be known in 100 years.


Yeah... Effectively the same. Holy f**k. Are you deliberately ignoring what that statement means? 


NO! THEY ARE DIFFERENT! they only seem the same from your perspective...but they are totaly different...for christ sake...

THEY ARE NOT THE EFFECTIVLY THE SAME! they are totaly different because they have a different concept and source. 

got it?

What the f**k? I don't create fire with my mind because it's physically impossible, not because I can do it with a lighter. I'm pretty sure that out of the ~7 billion people on this planet, approximately NONE of them are pyromancers.

And no, I'm not saying that we've discovered "everything". If you want to be stupid and skew my words, go ahead.

"Effectively the same". They are, for all intents and purposes, the same. An AAA battery and an AA battery are both batteries. They are not the same kind of battery, but they fulfill the same purpose. They are effectively the same.

Wow...i am lost for words...your abilty to comprehend is really not that great...at least at the moment.

I never argued that magic is real. of course it is not real.
I argued that you could say it is like magic because you can not comprehend the technologie it is based on.

like synthesis...you say it is magical...yes, it may seem to you that it is magical because you and everyone else in the ME  Universe don´t know how the advanced technologie works.

That does not mean it IS magical. It just seems that way to you.

And no, I'm not saying that we've discovered "everything". If you want to be stupid and skew my words, go ahead. 

It is exactly what you are saying. If i can not understand it and have no idea how it could work...it is space magic.

"Effectively the same". They are, for all intents and purposes, the same. An AAA battery and an AA battery are both batteries. They are not the same kind of battery, but they fulfill the same purpose. They are effectively the same. 

No! one is technologie (the battery) and one is Supernatrual (powering something with your mind).

The effect is the same...something got powered. If you never had a concept of what a battery is, the ONLY explonation you can come up with is a supernatrual explonation.

is it really that hard to understand this point?

Modifié par maaaze, 17 août 2012 - 12:22 .

[Mazebook]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

This is just mind blowing...

I'm expected to believe that a brain survived FROM FALLING INTO ORBIT....

...but I'm not supposed to believe that DNA can be re-written from a beam of energy that was just introduced to a organic-synthetic hybrid?

Yes. Primarily because that isn't how DNA works. It is literally impossible to instantaneously transform a fully organic human being into a half-synthetic organism without taking into account psychological factors, biological factors, physiological factors, etc. Doubly so for all of humanity, and infinitely so for every living organism in the entire galaxy.

Except, that's what Synthesis does.

Riddle me this.

How can any part of the human body survive from falling into orbit? The speed and distance it would be going at would simply disintegrate it.

You are assuming the planet Shaperd landed on has the same Atmossphere as Earth. that is not the case. It had very little Atmossphere.

Modifié par maaaze, 17 août 2012 - 12:24 .

[Meltemph]

Maaze, you do realize, with this arguement yo uare infact arguing that the writers wrote magic into the game, since they dont understand how synthesis works either...

Modifié par Meltemph, 17 août 2012 - 12:24 .

[o Ventus]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

This is just mind blowing...

I'm expected to believe that a brain survived FROM FALLING INTO ORBIT....

...but I'm not supposed to believe that DNA can be re-written from a beam of energy that was just introduced to a organic-synthetic hybrid?

Yes. Primarily because that isn't how DNA works. It is literally impossible to instantaneously transform a fully organic human being into a half-synthetic organism without taking into account psychological factors, biological factors, physiological factors, etc. Doubly so for all of humanity, and infinitely so for every living organism in the entire galaxy.

Except, that's what Synthesis does.

Riddle me this.

How can any part of the human body survive from falling into orbit? The speed and distance it would be going at would simply disintegrate it.

What is Alchera's atmospheric pressure?

[Mazebook]

Meltemph wrote...

Maaze, you do realize, with this arguement yo uare infact arguing that the writers wrote magic into the game, since they dont understand how synthesis works either...

They don´t understand mass relays or biotics or space ships ether. It is all "space magic".
That does not mean that they could come up with some "scientific" explonation on how it might work.

You will have to wait for a sequal to find out what the codex will say about synthesis.

[o Ventus]

maaaze wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Maaze, you do realize, with this arguement yo uare infact arguing that the writers wrote magic into the game, since they dont understand how synthesis works either...

They don´t understand mass relays or biotics or space ships ether. It is all "space magic".
That does not mean that they could come up with some "scientific" explonation on how it might work.

Yes they do. Did you mis all the codex entries and other in-game sources that go into painstaking detail about those other topics?

[o Ventus]

Rubios wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Maaze, you do realize, with this arguement yo uare infact arguing that the writers wrote magic into the game, since they dont understand how synthesis works either...

They don´t understand mass relays or biotics or space ships ether. It is all "space magic".
That does not mean that they could come up with some "scientific" explonation on how it might work.

Yes they do. Did you mis all the codex entries and other in-game sources that go into painstaking detail about those other topics?

No they don't, most codex entries are full of contradictions.

Biotic amps and eezo being the first two ones.

How do biotic amps and eezo contradict each other?

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Rubios wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Look at the exhaust. It's clearly using eezo. The fact that the video shows it to be incredibly slow doesn't mean it really is. Otherwise it would be over in less than a nanosecond. It's slowed down.

It always uses eezo... and the wave is not slowed down.

In the next scene you have the soldiers back on earth looking a the incoming wave and moving in the meanwhile, humans can't move their heads at FTL speeds, period.

maaaze wrote...

You are assuming the planet Shaperd landed on has the same Atmossphere as Earth. that is not the case. It had very little Atmossphere.

https://en.wikipedia.../Kinetic_energy

And in another scene you have the galaxy map. How fast is the wave propagating there? All the scenes are for dramatic effect, they didn't really think it through. If the wave were travelling at subliminal speeds it would take more than 10 hours to reach the relay. To reach the other parts of the galaxy, since it's shown to propagate everywhere? Relays are relatively scarce. It would take decades, or centuries.

[halbert986]

Because as far fetched as the basic foundation for mass effect is, it's always been supported by at the very least some sort of explanation involving science. Need a way to make interstellar FTL flight possible? Invent element zero. Need a way for travel across the galaxy in an incredibly short amount of time? Invent mass effect fields and relays.

Need a way to fuse all synthetic and organic life? Green light.

It's the opposite of the star wars mistake with medicloreans. The force was always this unknowable, mystical concept described by many as a religion. Everyone had their own idea about what it was, but no one wanted it explained. What did they do in episode 1? Loosely explain it with biology.

Mass effect has always been all about telling you exactly what's happening and why. Biotics are possible because of element zero. FTL travel possible because of mass effect fields. The genophage possible because of biology. No less science fiction but explained science fiction. Hell they even tried to explain the reapers motivation and creation. To have a suddenly mystical solution to very real problems with literally no explanation creates conflict with the universe they created.

The crucible was never anything more than a device that harnessed dark energy and was able to concentrate that power by way of the relay network. No one was quite sure what it would do, but giving it magical powers is too much.

They broke the boundaries of what you could believe. It's not about it making scientific sense to us, it's about cohesion with the laws of the created universe. LOTR makes no scientific sense whatsoever. The ending even less so, but does anyone care? No. Because it fits within that created universe. If Gandalf suddenly launched into a scientific tirade explaining why the ring is so powerful it's a safe bet it wouldn't make any sense and people would be outraged.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

This is just mind blowing...

I'm expected to believe that a brain survived FROM FALLING INTO ORBIT....

...but I'm not supposed to believe that DNA can be re-written from a beam of energy that was just introduced to a organic-synthetic hybrid?

Yes. Primarily because that isn't how DNA works. It is literally impossible to instantaneously transform a fully organic human being into a half-synthetic organism without taking into account psychological factors, biological factors, physiological factors, etc. Doubly so for all of humanity, and infinitely so for every living organism in the entire galaxy.

Except, that's what Synthesis does.

Riddle me this.

How can any part of the human body survive from falling into orbit? The speed and distance it would be going at would simply disintegrate it.

The same way spacecraft can survive atmosperic reentry without burning up. They are engineered very well.

In Shepard's case? A combination of luck (entering at the right angle) and very durable armor.

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Rubios wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

This is just mind blowing...

I'm expected to believe that a brain survived FROM FALLING INTO ORBIT....

...but I'm not supposed to believe that DNA can be re-written from a beam of energy that was just introduced to a organic-synthetic hybrid?

Yes. Primarily because that isn't how DNA works. It is literally impossible to instantaneously transform a fully organic human being into a half-synthetic organism without taking into account psychological factors, biological factors, physiological factors, etc. Doubly so for all of humanity, and infinitely so for every living organism in the entire galaxy.

Except, that's what Synthesis does.

Riddle me this.

How can any part of the human body survive from falling into orbit? The speed and distance it would be going at would simply disintegrate it.

What is Alchera's atmospheric pressure?

0.83 atm, while Earth is at 1.

So even less friction...

If they made the rest of Shepard's armor and not only the helmet with that same material and he could just punch the Reapers to death.

The problem isn't speed, it's avoiding burning up. Less friction prevents that.

Alchera's gravity is also lower, and it's mostly composed water ice. The armor can hold up very well.

[Xellith]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

This is just mind blowing...

I'm expected to believe that a brain survived FROM FALLING INTO ORBIT....

...but I'm not supposed to believe that DNA can be re-written from a beam of energy that was just introduced to a organic-synthetic hybrid?

Yes. Primarily because that isn't how DNA works. It is literally impossible to instantaneously transform a fully organic human being into a half-synthetic organism without taking into account psychological factors, biological factors, physiological factors, etc. Doubly so for all of humanity, and infinitely so for every living organism in the entire galaxy.

Except, that's what Synthesis does.

Riddle me this.

How can any part of the human body survive from falling into orbit? The speed and distance it would be going at would simply disintegrate it.

Can anyone find the terminal velocity of Shepard on this planet?
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Alchera

Would be interesting.

[Mazebook]

o Ventus wrote...

maaaze wrote...

Meltemph wrote...

Maaze, you do realize, with this arguement yo uare infact arguing that the writers wrote magic into the game, since they dont understand how synthesis works either...

They don´t understand mass relays or biotics or space ships ether. It is all "space magic".
That does not mean that they could come up with some "scientific" explonation on how it might work.

Yes they do. Did you mis all the codex entries and other in-game sources that go into painstaking detail about those other topics?

But is is all BS....nothing of this stuff is real or even possible from our perspective.
they even rely on some made up Element Zero. That has no evidence of existance.

It is all made up and has no basis in todays technologie.

Which is fine...it is Sci-fi...it is allowed to do that...because the consequences are more interessting
than the plausibility of it´s existance.

Just like Synthesis.

Modifié par maaaze, 17 août 2012 - 12:51 .

[Chaotic-Fusion]

Rubios wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

And in another scene you have the galaxy map. How fast is the wave propagating there? All the scenes are for dramatic effect, they didn't really think it through. If the wave were travelling at subliminal speeds it would take more than 10 hours to reach the relay. To reach the other parts of the galaxy, since it's shown to propagate everywhere? Relays are relatively scarce. It would take decades, or centuries.

The crucible fires twice, it is not the same wave...

The second one (the one that goes from relay to relay) is FTL, the first one is not.

And the second way still manifests as light, right? Hence, light travelling faster than light.

[Reorte]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

For someone who doesn't understand atmospheric pressure very well, how much of a difference is .83 atm to 1 atm?

83% of it.

With no atmosphere he'd hit the ground at such a speed as to have been completely splattered well beyond any chance of any recongisable bits being visible even with a microscope, but chuck in some futuristic armour and I can buy that it would survive the friction (the fact that both Shepard and the Normandy come down at all suggests that they are way below orbital velocity in the first place). Putting it all back together again is very, very, very implausible but not theoretically impossible. Also, it's not so much of a key plot point so is easier to overlook and doesn't run into the "anything is possible" issue.

[Mazebook]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Rubios wrote...

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

And in another scene you have the galaxy map. How fast is the wave propagating there? All the scenes are for dramatic effect, they didn't really think it through. If the wave were travelling at subliminal speeds it would take more than 10 hours to reach the relay. To reach the other parts of the galaxy, since it's shown to propagate everywhere? Relays are relatively scarce. It would take decades, or centuries.

The crucible fires twice, it is not the same wave...

The second one (the one that goes from relay to relay) is FTL, the first one is not.

And the second way still manifests as light, right? Hence, light travelling faster than light.

It emits light...

Light is most likely just a byproduct of the energy. 

[Mcfly616]

I agree OP.....

Honestly....



I can't think of a single story within the Sci Fi genre, that doesnt have some sort of "Space Magic".....be it a game, movie or book. Star Wars, Star Trek, BSG.....magic magic magic.....in space.....


The term shouldn't even exist, considering space magic is embodied in every Space Opera that ever existed....

Modifié par Mcfly616, 17 août 2012 - 12:56 .