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[GreyLycanTrope]

I wish they added a few rainbow shooting unicorns to the Reaper fleet. It's not magic it's just technology we've never witnessed before and therefore can't/don't need to explain it, it must just be accepted by the audience without question.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 17 août 2012 - 02:54 .

[Krunjar]

Really tell me what do you think would happen if you showed a gun or a tv or an ipod to someone from the medieval times? The only way they could explain what they saw would be in terms of magic.

People who think they have seen everything the universe has to offer really do amuse me. Snuggle up to your delusion all you want but that will not change the fact you are just lying to yourself to protect yourself from your own fear of the unknown. After all it's so much more comfortable to think you know everything that you understand what is possible and what is not .... bloody idiots.

Modifié par Krunjar, 17 août 2012 - 02:57 .

[Geneaux486]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

Science =/= magic.

/thread

The ME3 endings =/= magic.

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[o Ventus]

Geneaux486 wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

Science =/= magic.

/thread

The ME3 endings =/= magic.

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Only Synthesis, really.

[Geneaux486]

o Ventus wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

Science =/= magic.

/thread

The ME3 endings =/= magic.

thread

Only Synthesis, really.

Not even synthesis.  Not literally at least.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 17 août 2012 - 03:03 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Krunjar wrote...

Really tell me what do you think would happen if you showed a gun or a tv or an ipod to someone from the medieval times? The only way they could explain what they saw would be in terms of magic.

People who think they have seen everything the universe has to offer really do amuse me. Snuggle up to your delusion all you want but that will not change the fact you are just lying to yourself to protect yourself from your own fear of the unknown. After all it's so much more comfortable to think you know everything that you understand what is possible and what is not .... bloody idiots.

Within the realm of an established fictional universe we actually do know the rules, at least we're supposed to. New possiblities are supposed to be introduced gradually not sprung in the last minute.

[Epique Phael767]

Geneaux486 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

Epique Phael767 wrote...

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

Science =/= magic.

/thread

The ME3 endings =/= magic.

thread

Only Synthesis, really.

Not even synthesis.  Not literally at least.

I'd like to hear how the development team explains it then, especially with all the blatant doesn't-even-sound-right pseudoscience in the codex.

[Geneaux486]

Greylycantrope wrote...
Within the realm of an established fictional universe we actually do know the rules, at least we're supposed to. New possiblities are supposed to be introduced gradually not sprung in the last minute.

True, but the thing about the Mass Effect universe is we haven't known the rules since the revelation that the Reapers were real.  We're constantly introduced to new, seemingly impossbile occurences throughout all three games.

I'd like to hear how the development team explains it then, especially with all the blatant doesn't-even-sound-right pseudoscience in the codex.

I'd like that to.  It'd probably be interesting.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 17 août 2012 - 03:07 .

[o Ventus]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

I'd like to hear how the development team explains it then, especially with all the blatant doesn't-even-sound-right pseudoscience in the codex.

An exercise in futility.

[Epique Phael767]

Krunjar wrote...

Really tell me what do you think would happen if you showed a gun or a tv or an ipod to someone from the medieval times? The only way they could explain what they saw would be in terms of magic.

They had gun-like devices in medieval times. They were downscaled cannons on tripods.

[Ithurael]

D24O wrote...

Does this prove IT?

1 Sip

[Krunjar]

@ Greylycanthrope.

Actually that's an aesthetic choice. And the decisions to change the rules at the last minute or at any point is perfectly valid in sci-fi and is hardly new. And is in fact a thing many people appreciate. Honestly I think that these days if you ignore the people who are vocal on the BSN you would probably find more satisfied than not. Evidenced by the fact that outside the BSN the internet as a whole has more or less dropped the crusade against the ME endings. A crusade I myself sympathized with in the original endings but not because of "space magic" it was because they lacked closure. Now I am perfectly satisfied and I honestly believe most people are. Or have moved on with their lives.

Modifié par Krunjar, 17 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Geneaux486 wrote...

True, but the thing about the Mass Effect universe is we haven't known the rules since the revelation that the Reapers were real.  We're constantly introduced to new, seemingly impossbile occurences throughout all three games.

Such as? The only things I can think of that were truly world shaking revolations were the existance of the Reapers, and how Reapers are made. But both of those were gradually built up and foreshadowed throughout both ME1 and ME2. The Catalyst's exitence was even forshadowed more then synthesis.

[Geneaux486]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Geneaux486 wrote...

True, but the thing about the Mass Effect universe is we haven't known the rules since the revelation that the Reapers were real.  We're constantly introduced to new, seemingly impossbile occurences throughout all three games.

Such as? The only things I can think of that were truly world shaking revolations were the existance of the Reapers, and how Reapers are made. But both of those were gradually built up and foreshadowed throughout both ME1 and ME2. The Catalyst's exitence was even forshadowed more then synthesis.

The Lazarus project.  Suddenly "cutting edge technology" translates to "You are no longer the dead!", and that certainly wasn't foreshadowed or explained.  That said, it depends on what you consider foreshadowing.  The idea that the Crucible's energy could be used to alter DNA, no, that's not foreshadowed, but since we knew next to nothing about the Crucible beforehand, rather than contradict established information it simply filled in a gap in our knowlege.  The concept, on the other hand, was foreshadowed prior, since meeting Legion in Mass Effect 2 and gaining the synthetic perspective on the struggle.  More specifically, Legion's act of sacrifice at the end of the Rannoch story arc was very similar to synthesis in what Legion did and what it meant for his people.

Modifié par Geneaux486, 17 août 2012 - 03:18 .

[Krunjar]

Epique Phael767 wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

Really tell me what do you think would happen if you showed a gun or a tv or an ipod to someone from the medieval times? The only way they could explain what they saw would be in terms of magic.

They had gun-like devices in medieval times. They were downscaled cannons on tripods.

Do I really have to list more technologies that appear magical? you maybe right about guns but I wont waste my breath arguing a point that clearly sailed right over your head.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Krunjar wrote...

@ Greylycanthrope.

Actually that's an aesthetic choice. And the decisions to change the rules at the last minute or at any point is perfectly valid in sci-fi and is hardly new. And is in fact a thing many people appreciate. Honestly I think that these days if you ignore the people who are vocal on the BSN you would probably find more satisfied than not. Evidenced by the fact that outside the BSN the internet as a whole has more or less dropped the crusade against the ME endings. A crusade I myself sympathized with in the original endings but not because of "space magic" it was because they lacked closure. Now I am perfectly satisfied and I honestly believe most people are. Or have moved on with their lives.

I'll agree that it's hardly new I question it' validity. In my experiance Sc-fi fans tend to get pissed off when thing don't add up. There are also different types of sci-fi, refer to the Mohs Scale of Sci-fi hardness if you don't know what I mean. Mixing them without proper foreshadowing is typically not recieved well.

[Mcfly616]

Krunjar wrote...

Really tell me what do you think would happen if you showed a gun or a tv or an ipod to someone from the medieval times? The only way they could explain what they saw would be in terms of magic.

People who think they have seen everything the universe has to offer really do amuse me. Snuggle up to your delusion all you want but that will not change the fact you are just lying to yourself to protect yourself from your own fear of the unknown. After all it's so much more comfortable to think you know everything that you understand what is possible and what is not .... bloody idiots.

The best post in this entire thread......and probably the most intelligent...

[Mcfly616]

To assume that there's not unexplainable things or occurrences in our Universe, is pretty naive.....

After all, we did just discover a creature from planet Earth, that can survive over a week exposed in outerspace, its radiation proof....so on and so forth.....ridiculous.....

Scientist just started getting smart enough to look other places for life, and go figure....all life is not carbon based.....they would've figured that out sooner had they not made the assumption that all life was carbon based....

I'm sure there's crazier sh*t out there that is completely unexplainable or even understandable to the human mind....

[o Ventus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

To assume that there's not unexplainable things or occurrences in our Universe, is pretty naive.....

Literally nobody here is projecting that message beside you and everyone else making those posts.

After all, we did just discover a creature from planet Earth, that can survive over a week exposed in outerspace, its radiation proof....so on and so forth.....ridiculous.....

If by "just discover" you mean "mid 1770's", then yeah, we just discovered them.

Scientist just started getting smart enough to look other places for life, and go figure....all life is not carbon based.....they would've figured that out sooner had they not made the assumption that all life was carbon based....

... What? We've known this for decades, if not longer.

[Mcfly616]

o Ventus wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

To assume that there's not unexplainable things or occurrences in our Universe, is pretty naive.....

Literally nobody here is projecting that message beside you and everyone else making those posts.

After all, we did just discover a creature from planet Earth, that can survive over a week exposed in outerspace, its radiation proof....so on and so forth.....ridiculous.....

If by "just discover" you mean "mid 1770's", then yeah, we just discovered them.

Scientist just started getting smart enough to look other places for life, and go figure....all life is not carbon based.....they would've figured that out sooner had they not made the assumption that all life was carbon based....

... What? We've known this for decades, if not longer.

I can list my sources but I'd love to see yours first lol.....considering I just read the article and the scientist is literally quoted "we just never knew to look here....", I find no reason to go any further since you have no idea what you're arguing about.....but argue on lol

[Mcfly616]

I think everytime we get on this "unexplainable space magic" topic, all I really say is: well, what about The Force?

Which leads to a bunch of nonsensical answers dismissing it or excusing because of the context of the topic I'm bringing it up in.....basically I think people are simply mad about the space magic in ME is because they didn't want the game to end the way it did.....otherwise, space magic is completely understandable in any other sci fi story.....


Haha riiiight...

Modifié par Mcfly616, 17 août 2012 - 03:41 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Geneaux486 wrote...
The Lazarus project.  Suddenly "cutting edge technology" translates to "You are no longer the dead!", and that certainly wasn't foreshadowed or explained.  That said, it depends on what you consider foreshadowing.  The idea that the Crucible's energy could be used to alter DNA, no, that's not foreshadowed, but since we knew next to nothing about the Crucible beforehand, rather than contradict established information it simply filled in a gap in our knowlege.  The concept, on the other hand, was foreshadowed prior, since meeting Legion in Mass Effect 2 and gaining the synthetic perspective on the struggle.  More specifically, Legion's act of sacrifice at the end of the Rannoch story arc was very similar to synthesis in what Legion did and what it meant for his people.

Honestly the idea of the Lazarus project always bothered me, I just couldn't swallow the idea of reconstrocting the neurons in Shepards brain. Neurons are information storage essentially, each is unique to a persons memories and experiences, when they died they're gone for good you can't just fx them. Since it's been established the Shepards brain hasn't been augmented with tech, it's something I have a hard time accepting. I very begrudingly let that one slid mainly, since some form of experimental medigel might make the recontion possible. See that speculation only works on the esablished framework of medigel. The genetic menipulation of in synthesis has nothing backing it up.

Legions actions didn't foreshadow synthesis, Legion dying played into the sacrafice theme, which isn't unique to synthesis alone. We also do know a few things about the Crucible before hand, it was implied that it could be used to either destory or control the Reapers, Synthesis comes out of nowhere. Given synthetics a better understanding of organics could be possible on it's own since control and destroy are both possible. Rewriting the DNA structure of every organic in the galaxy though? Like you said this hasn't been established as possible.

[Krunjar]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

@ Greylycanthrope.

Actually that's an aesthetic choice. And the decisions to change the rules at the last minute or at any point is perfectly valid in sci-fi and is hardly new. And is in fact a thing many people appreciate. Honestly I think that these days if you ignore the people who are vocal on the BSN you would probably find more satisfied than not. Evidenced by the fact that outside the BSN the internet as a whole has more or less dropped the crusade against the ME endings. A crusade I myself sympathized with in the original endings but not because of "space magic" it was because they lacked closure. Now I am perfectly satisfied and I honestly believe most people are. Or have moved on with their lives.

I'll agree that it's hardly new I question it' validity. In my experiance Sc-fi fans tend to get pissed off when thing don't add up. There are also different types of sci-fi, refer to the Mohs Scale of Sci-fi hardness if you don't know what I mean. Mixing them without proper foreshadowing is typically not recieved well.

It's received well by some and not others I can present myself as an example of someone who received it well. And indeed I have seen many many pro ending threads on this forum indicating that while I may not be in the majority on this forum I am certainly not alone. I am just one of the few that is still here despite being flamed, mis quoted, taken out of context, talked down to and generally insulted for having my own opinion. What I object to is this kind of quasi-moral crusade alot of people seem to be on that makes them feel perfectly entitled to treat people with differeing opinions like dirt and talk down to them as if somehow because they like the ending they just must not understand how bad it is. We understand perfectly we just disagree. Instead all of a sudden everyone is a professional literary critic citing plot holes and space magic and shoddy writing to back up their own personal opinions. When honestly ME has been full of those things since day 1 and no one minded till now. Hell hardly anyone even noticed. What I dislike is the stubborn refusal to just say "I don't like the ending" That I  could at least respect for it's honesty. However when someone starts citing things that have been in the series since day 1 as reasons they don't like how it ended for me they lose all credibility.

@ Mcfly616 Thanks your words are much appreciated  

Modifié par Krunjar, 17 août 2012 - 03:45 .

[o Ventus]

Mcfly616 wrote...

I can list my sources but I'd love to see yours first lol.....considering I just read the article and the scientist is literally quoted "we just never knew to look here....", I find no reason to go any further since you have no idea what you're arguing about.....but argue on lol

As per your animal-that-can-survive-in-space bit, I would assume you're referring to the waterbear? We've known about that for almost 240 years.

In regards to non carbon-based life, there have been theories of silicon-based life dating all the way back to the 1980's (at least), as well as a discovery of asrenic-based bacteria here.

[TJBartlemus]

JC_aka_fps_john wrote...

It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.

Get over it.

Uh. NO. Science fiction is based in fact and science. Thus the Science portion of the name.