TJBartlemus wrote...
JC_aka_fps_john wrote...
It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.
Get over it.
Uh. NO. Science fiction is based in fact and science. Thus the Science portion of the name.
Going off .83% of freefall, Shepard would hit the ground at roughly 170 MPH. This is freefall, with no acceleration figured in from the Normandy blowing up, so it could be higher, since the drag is 17% lower due to lower atmospheric pressure. Since one of the guys I grew up with lost his life in a motorcycle accident because his head was converted to something that looked vaguely like oatmeal, hitting a street sign at 35 mph, that's going to have to be some hellified armor.Xellith wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
o Ventus wrote...
The Mad Hanar wrote...
This is just mind blowing...
I'm expected to believe that a brain survived FROM FALLING INTO ORBIT....
...but I'm not supposed to believe that DNA can be re-written from a beam of energy that was just introduced to a organic-synthetic hybrid?
Yes. Primarily because that isn't how DNA works. It is literally impossible to instantaneously transform a fully organic human being into a half-synthetic organism without taking into account psychological factors, biological factors, physiological factors, etc. Doubly so for all of humanity, and infinitely so for every living organism in the entire galaxy.
Except, that's what Synthesis does.
Riddle me this.
How can any part of the human body survive from falling into orbit? The speed and distance it would be going at would simply disintegrate it.
Can anyone find the terminal velocity of Shepard on this planet?
http://masseffect.wi...om/wiki/Alchera
Would be interesting.
Krunjar wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
JC_aka_fps_john wrote...
It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.
Get over it.
Uh. NO. Science fiction is based in fact and science. Thus the Science portion of the name.
You know, In science stating something as fact is considered as pretty much the highest form of arrogance. That's why it's called scientific theory. Science fiction has always played loose with science you just don't like the degree of it.
o Ventus wrote...
Krunjar wrote...
TJBartlemus wrote...
JC_aka_fps_john wrote...
It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.
Get over it.
Uh. NO. Science fiction is based in fact and science. Thus the Science portion of the name.
You know, In science stating something as fact is considered as pretty much the highest form of arrogance. That's why it's called scientific theory. Science fiction has always played loose with science you just don't like the degree of it.
There's a difference between playing loose with science, and kicking it to the curb and spitting in its face.
Modifié par Krunjar, 17 août 2012 - 04:03 .
Legions actions didn't foreshadow synthesis, Legion dying played into the sacrafice theme, which isn't unique to synthesis alone.
Well I can appreciate that sentiment, I'm certainly don't like to be talked down to either, and I hope it doesn't come off that I'm talking down to you cause I'm honestly not trying to. I'm under no illusion that ME1 or ME 2 were perfect but I see them as more consistent within themselves and within the series in terms of what was established to be possible. I view synthesis, by means of the crucible, as impossible within the established context of the series, which is one of the reasons I don't like the ending. See there seems to be this assumption that some of us find flaw to justify our dislike of the ending. Now I need to ask, why would I be determined to go into ME3 and not like the ending? I don't dislike the ending for the sake of disliking it, I don't like the ending because I have percieved flaws in it that break my suspention of disbelief and narrative cohesion.Krunjar wrote...
It's received well by some and not others I can present myself as an example of someone who received it well. And indeed I have seen many many pro ending threads on this forum indicating that while I may not be in the majority on this forum I am certainly not alone. I am just one of the few that is still here despite being flamed, mis quoted, taken out of context, talked down to and generally insulted for having my own opinion. What I object to is this kind of quasi-moral crusade alot of people seem to be on that makes them feel perfectly entitled to treat people with differeing opinions like dirt and talk down to them as if somehow because they like the ending they just must not understand how bad it is. We understand perfectly we just disagree. Instead all of a sudden everyone is a professional literary critic citing plot holes and space magic and shoddy writing to back up their own personal opinions. When honestly ME has been full of those things since day 1 and no one minded till now. Hell hardly anyone even noticed. What I dislike is the stubborn refusal to just say "I don't like the ending" That I could at least respect for it's honesty. However when someone starts citing things that have been in the series since day 1 as reasons they don't like how it ended for me they lose all credibility.
Krunjar wrote...
You think that's whats being done? In science there is no such thing as a holy grail. If this where a documentary you could argue that it spit in the face of accepted theory but it isn't it's fiction. Do not contrive insult where none exists to back up your own opinion just because the scope of someone else's imagination exceeds yours.
A Geth sharing data with other Geth? Seems ordinary to me, unless I'm missing something.Geneaux486 wrote...
Legions actions didn't foreshadow synthesis, Legion dying played into the sacrafice theme, which isn't unique to synthesis alone.
If that were all that happened then yes, but don't forget that the thing that made Legion special, his Reaper upgrades, was dispersed among his brethren as a result of his sacrifice. In that sense, it is thematically similar to Synthesis.
Greylycantrope wrote...
A Geth sharing data with other Geth? Seems ordinary to me, unless I'm missing something.Geneaux486 wrote...
Legions actions didn't foreshadow synthesis, Legion dying played into the sacrafice theme, which isn't unique to synthesis alone.
If that were all that happened then yes, but don't forget that the thing that made Legion special, his Reaper upgrades, was dispersed among his brethren as a result of his sacrifice. In that sense, it is thematically similar to Synthesis.
Geneaux486 wrote...
A Geth sacrificing its life to send out it's unique upgrades so that other Geth can evolve and attain some enlightenment. As I said, it is thematically similar to what Shepard does in the Synthesis ending. Heroic death, sharing of the unique modifications, upgrades for all.
Greylycantrope wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
A Geth sacrificing its life to send out it's unique upgrades so that other Geth can evolve and attain some enlightenment. As I said, it is thematically similar to what Shepard does in the Synthesis ending. Heroic death, sharing of the unique modifications, upgrades for all.
Symbolically I guess, but it's upgrades soley for the Geth, which is well within the established possiblity. DNA manipulation/augmentation through enerywaves still not foreshadwed though, and that's kinda the issue.
Symbolically I guess, but it's upgrades soley for the Geth, which is well within the established possiblity. DNA manipulation/augmentation through enerywaves still not foreshadwed though, and that's kinda the issue.
and it shouldn't have been possible compared to everything we learned in ME
Modifié par Baa Baa, 17 août 2012 - 04:28 .
Geneaux486 wrote...
Symbolically I guess, but it's upgrades soley for the Geth, which is well within the established possiblity. DNA manipulation/augmentation through enerywaves still not foreshadwed though, and that's kinda the issue.
My point was that Legion's sacrifice foreshadowed Synthesis symbolically, nothing more.and it shouldn't have been possible compared to everything we learned in ME
We constantly learned throughout Mass Effect that seemingly impossible things were true, and that the universe wasn't as well understood as the characters who lived within it thought it was.
Father_Jerusalem wrote...
UniqueName001 wrote...
JC_aka_fps_john wrote...
It's science fiction. Science fiction is space magic.
Get over it.
So what you are saying is, that you would have no problem with any of the following endings:
The Normandy was secretly a transformer and turns into a giant robot with a laser sword and kills all of the Reapers
Liara finds an ancient tiara which turns her into Sailor Thessia and she defeats the Reapers with the power of "love"
The entire series turns out to be a dream by the last existing human in his suspended animation sleeper pod launched from Earth during the green goo cataclysm
Well the first two would be copyright infringement, so...
Modifié par Krunjar, 17 août 2012 - 04:46 .
AresKeith wrote...
and we also learn that human DNA doesn't combind with all of the other races which is what Synthesis did
Geneaux486 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
and we also learn that human DNA doesn't combind with all of the other races which is what Synthesis did
Synthesis enhanced organic DNA with synthetic material. Really not that big of a stretch from Reaper spikes turning corpses into cyborg zombies.
Modifié par EnvyTB075, 17 août 2012 - 04:57 .
EnvyTB075 wrote...
Geneaux486 wrote...
AresKeith wrote...
and we also learn that human DNA doesn't combind with all of the other races which is what Synthesis did
Synthesis enhanced organic DNA with synthetic material. Really not that big of a stretch from Reaper spikes turning corpses into cyborg zombies.
Wrong.
Dragons teeth infected the victim with Reaper nano....thingys (forgot the name, see Sanctuary) through direct physical interaction to turn them into husk state over a period of time.
Synthesis does this with a beam of light....instantly.....somehow.....
Modifié par Geneaux486, 17 août 2012 - 05:01 .
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