I'm fairly non interested in single player Mass Effect without John Shepard. And it's hard to believe that a company who found a winning formula would throw their lead into the dumpster after only 3 games.
Can Mass Effect exist without Shepard?
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#52
Posté 17 août 2012 - 02:54
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I see no reason why there can't be a new hero in any new mass effect game but the way they ended Shepards story has really put me of any up coming ME titles. I have no idea why people thinks the next game (if there is one) will have anything to do with shepard "Shepard is dead" in all but one ending and even that has a lot of questions around it.
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#53
Posté 17 août 2012 - 02:58
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yes however i'd like a little more customization to my character without sacrificing the story arc if possible.
#54
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:10
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Sure mass Effect can go on without Shepard.
Though maybe not by blowing up the protagonist at the end of every storyline.
Though maybe not by blowing up the protagonist at the end of every storyline.
#55
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:13
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So long as the writers don't abruptly kill their new protagonist off in such a lazy manner.
#57
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:17
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I would like to think so; maybe set in the distant future with the option of sex, race, and customize the looks and name. Asari commando, krogan merc or clan leader, salarian stg or scientist with each race with it's own skills for each class. It can start off slow and build up over the game to reveal a local threat via milky way galaxy. Maybe crewmates and npcs react differently based on race. Maybe on next gen consoles so shep's body isn't still freshly buried
#58
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:20
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JeffZero wrote...
ShepnTali wrote...
Can Star Wars live without Luke? Star Trek without Kirk?
Yes, yes, and yes.
Exactly.
Goodness, the amount of fan outcry toward TNG early on was legendary. Granted, it was pretty poor for a while. But people eventually came around as Picard's crew began to rock. And Sisko's as well.
yes but ToS didn't blow up the galaxy before TnG came long. oh and Kirk wasn't killed by his own stupidity
#59
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:23
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...just imagine the flamewars here about whether the new guy measures up...almost worth for that alone...
#60
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:25
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Yes
If by playing the game you actually got to form your hero by their choices and actions then any
Character came become as important as Shep.
It is the Idea of a hero that pulls you in not the specific traits or portrayal
Look at Batman and how many personalities played him and all were different
If by playing the game you actually got to form your hero by their choices and actions then any
Character came become as important as Shep.
It is the Idea of a hero that pulls you in not the specific traits or portrayal
Look at Batman and how many personalities played him and all were different
#61
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:29
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Yes, all you need is Garrus and a new squad and Mass Effect will be perfectly stable....
Maybe even better
Maybe even better
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#62
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:46
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Generic Screen Name wrote...
Wimbini wrote...
Yes Shephard was pretty much a ******nearing the endingthe entire series anyhow.
@ Both of you, maleshep or femshep?
#63
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:47
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It would be difficult to integrate the events of ME3 into a cohesive narrative without moving the story hundreds of years. That would mean that it would be a game without Shepard, but also almost every other character and their interpersonal relationships. Once you strip those elements, you risk losing the audience's emotional investment. It would be similar to starting a new IP but with a lot of loose strings.
Even going backwards in time with a prequel would present various constraints.
If, however, it is somehow possible to lose Shepard but keep everything else intact, then the answer is "most likely".
Before ME3, I would have considered such a scenario probable. Now, they may have little choice but to do another DA2/Kirkwall (drastically limit the scope).
Even going backwards in time with a prequel would present various constraints.
If, however, it is somehow possible to lose Shepard but keep everything else intact, then the answer is "most likely".
Before ME3, I would have considered such a scenario probable. Now, they may have little choice but to do another DA2/Kirkwall (drastically limit the scope).
#64
Posté 17 août 2012 - 03:57
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As much as I dislike saying this, but I believe any future Mass Effects can exist without Shepard, they just have to be able to make the new character(s) just as dynamic as Shepard and have a kick-ass story line, but I wouldn't mind seeing our own versions of Shepard in a cameo.....or maybe have him act like some sort of ghostly guide......but then that would start becoming like Halo.
#65
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:02
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Yes.
Star Trek is a great example. Captain Kirk was just as iconic as Shepard, and few could have imagined the series without him. Then came The Next Generation and Captain Picard.
There is plenty of room in the Mass Effect universe for another hero.
Star Trek is a great example. Captain Kirk was just as iconic as Shepard, and few could have imagined the series without him. Then came The Next Generation and Captain Picard.
There is plenty of room in the Mass Effect universe for another hero.
#66
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:10
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The main problems with a new protagonist are twofold:
1. The fanbase would REALLY riot if we could not create the character like we did with our Shepards, so the new protagonist cannot be an existing character. All of them already have established personalities, appearances, etc....
2. This new protagonist would need a supporting cast equal to Shepard's. I'm not saying it cannot be done, but it would be even more difficult than making the original team because every new character would get compared to whichever old one resembles them in personality, role, and appearance the most. I don't even the person that gets stuck writing a replacement Garrus.
1. The fanbase would REALLY riot if we could not create the character like we did with our Shepards, so the new protagonist cannot be an existing character. All of them already have established personalities, appearances, etc....
2. This new protagonist would need a supporting cast equal to Shepard's. I'm not saying it cannot be done, but it would be even more difficult than making the original team because every new character would get compared to whichever old one resembles them in personality, role, and appearance the most. I don't even the person that gets stuck writing a replacement Garrus.
#67
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:13
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Shepard is like Gordon Freeman - an avatar for player to interact with game's world. He is not full-sized character, because he has not any canon things. It's our alter ego since the beginning - we choose his past, sex, appearence and every single choice in trilogy.
All of our squadmates are characters, Shadow Broker is character, Catalyst is character. Shepard is not.
So if they would make another game in franchise than it won't be difficult to make new main character. Same thing: choose your past, make face that you like, assign skill points as you like, have sex with everything you like (I wish they would make varren romancible to make whole romance part even more pathetic) and kill Another Ancient Evil from Deep Space.
All of our squadmates are characters, Shadow Broker is character, Catalyst is character. Shepard is not.
So if they would make another game in franchise than it won't be difficult to make new main character. Same thing: choose your past, make face that you like, assign skill points as you like, have sex with everything you like (I wish they would make varren romancible to make whole romance part even more pathetic) and kill Another Ancient Evil from Deep Space.
#68
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:16
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Even if Mass Effect IV was set very far in the future (Bioware's best bet), that doesn't necessarily mean that all ties will be cut with the Shepard trilogy. Both the Krogan and the Asari are extremely long-lived, so even if ME4 were set 700 years after Mass Effect 3, Grunt and Liara could potentially still be kicking. Likewise for EDI, assuming she didn't die in Destroy.
Despite having a new hero and most likely an entirely new squad, Bioware could do cameos (much like the DA:O character cameos in DA2) for the Shepard trilogy characters who are still living. I at least think it would be kind of interesting to run into Grunt when he is the aging battle-scarred clan leader of Urdnot, or running into Liara when she's Samara's age.
Despite having a new hero and most likely an entirely new squad, Bioware could do cameos (much like the DA:O character cameos in DA2) for the Shepard trilogy characters who are still living. I at least think it would be kind of interesting to run into Grunt when he is the aging battle-scarred clan leader of Urdnot, or running into Liara when she's Samara's age.
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Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:17
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Han Shot First wrote...
Even if Mass Effect IV was set very far in the future (Bioware's best bet), that doesn't necessarily mean that all ties will be cut with the Shepard trilogy. Both the Krogan and the Asari are extremely long-lived, so even ME4 were set 700 years after Mass Effect 3, Grunt and Liara could potentially still be kicking. Likewise for EDI, assuming she didn't die in Destroy.
Despite having a new hero and most likely an entirely new squad, Bioware could do cameos (much like the DA:O character cameos in DA2) for the Shepard trilogy characters who are still living. I at least think it would be kind of interesting to run into Grunt when he is the aging battle-scarred clan leader of Urdnot, or running into Liara when she's Samara's age.
Grunt got into a car accident, and Liara got into a car accident. And EDI too if she lived.
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Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:18
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I'm personally not fond of the thought of future Mass Effect games, or anything (me being a Downer Debbie, I know), but on this idea:
Valve, when they started to work on Portal 2, originally had a lot of different ideas - including a prequel that had little similarity to the first (e.g. no portals, no GLaDOS) - and at some point tried to do a sequel or a game around the same point with a different player character.
At first, players weren't bothered by playing someone else, up until the point where they met character(s) they knew well (GLaDOS) who failed to recognize them at all (because they weren't Chell). After this point, it significantly bugged them, broke their suspension of disbelief, or the like, to the extent that Valve threw away the idea and decided to stick with the orignal player character.
I think it's pretty easily possible, but there are some factors that should probably be of concern when they make the game, depending on how they make it. The thing is, I wouldn't expect them to pay attention to that sort of thing, at this point. :\\ If they keep doing this sort of thing with two years of development, I can't imagine how they'll have the time to think about things for long and still meet deadlines.
Valve, when they started to work on Portal 2, originally had a lot of different ideas - including a prequel that had little similarity to the first (e.g. no portals, no GLaDOS) - and at some point tried to do a sequel or a game around the same point with a different player character.
At first, players weren't bothered by playing someone else, up until the point where they met character(s) they knew well (GLaDOS) who failed to recognize them at all (because they weren't Chell). After this point, it significantly bugged them, broke their suspension of disbelief, or the like, to the extent that Valve threw away the idea and decided to stick with the orignal player character.
I think it's pretty easily possible, but there are some factors that should probably be of concern when they make the game, depending on how they make it. The thing is, I wouldn't expect them to pay attention to that sort of thing, at this point. :\\ If they keep doing this sort of thing with two years of development, I can't imagine how they'll have the time to think about things for long and still meet deadlines.
#71
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:21
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I'm sure Bioware will still allow us to create a unique character in a new Mass Effect, but it is as your said, people will still make comparisons between the old and the new, there's nothing wrong with that, as a fan I just hope we're willing to give the new cast the benefit of the doubt and let them develop. And we all know Garrus can't be replaced, he's just that great, but I'm sure BioWare can pull off another loving character if they choose to make one.
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Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:22
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It certainly could. I think more comes down to "Can Mass Effect exist with the new style of story telling we saw in ME3?"
I dunno. I personally want to play great games. I hope Bioware makes them and not art.
I dunno. I personally want to play great games. I hope Bioware makes them and not art.
#73
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:27
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MearasNZ wrote...
krukow wrote...
sure. There's a whole galaxy out there that we could play in, say 100 years later or something. Heck, we could even romance Liara again!
^^This. Definitely this. Could still romance Liara, even 500 years later!!
If you could, it would cheapen the experience for people who romanced her as Shepard.
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Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:36
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Revenant24 wrote...
MearasNZ wrote...
krukow wrote...
sure. There's a whole galaxy out there that we could play in, say 100 years later or something. Heck, we could even romance Liara again!
^^This. Definitely this. Could still romance Liara, even 500 years later!!
If you could, it would cheapen the experience for people who romanced her as Shepard.
How so?
Liara is 109 years old in ME3 and will probably live to a 1000. She'll likely outlive Shepard by about 750 years or so. Given how much time she has left compared to the relatively short amount of time Shepard has in comparison, I think Liara is going to have other lovers throughout her very long life.
I'm not sure why that would be an issue however, as Shepard would be long dead. If Shepard cared about her he or she would want Liara to eventually find happiness, rather than sitting alone in some dark room for centuries, mourning a dead lover.
Think of it this way: If you died tommorow would you want your wife or girlfriend to spend the rest of her life alone?
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#75
Posté 17 août 2012 - 04:39
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I believe that is possible to continue in MassEffect Universe, I want to see the species, that is the best, the problem is the ending of ME3. The ending is very straight. In one ending life is changed, in other shep is a godlike AI, in the other all sinthetics are destroyed. Anyway how is possible to continue a universe with so different endings. Continuing the Universe will be boring with all synthetics and organics together, with a godlike sheppard is not funny, but if is accepted that shepard absolutely bad, and he decided to kill all syntetics. Then probably he is still alive. But a MassEffect Rebird would be amazing. Now the problem is continuity. I dont know if is possible every ending requires a different universe. Anyway good writers are need for real if the universe continue.
