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[inversevideo]

Absolutely!

And I looked forward to the next chapter/trilogy spinning out of ME3.
But that did not occur. In my mind, Shepard would live or die, based on your decisions, but in the end, there would be a resolution, And the Universe would continue.

I could not have predicted the Starbrat, or the inconsistencies created by Starkids surprise inclusion. And having four possible outcomes makes a coherent future series ... problematic.

I'm no fan of prequels, but that might sell.

Honestly, I thought DA;O, when I envisioned the end. All roads would lead to a particular outcome, but how you got there would profoundly impact your character. i.e the 'Warden' could choose to make the 'ultimate sacrifice', or engage in 'Blood Magic' with Morigan, or get Loghain to atone for his sins by facing the Arch Demon. I'm not sure where the series would have gone if a Child Magister showed up during the last 10 minutes of the game.

I think Bioware had the perfect opportunity to setup the next trilogy, but missed it.
Instead of the Stargazer, the last scene should have played out something like..

Illos ... a sublevel 1 mile beneath the surface. Commander Javik speaking to a reactivated Vigil.

Javik: "how many survived?'

Vigil: " Nearly 2 million Commander. Many were lost. I was forced to turn off their pods to ensure the survival of the remainder'.

Javk - " Unfortunate, but necessary. We knew this was a possiblity."

Vigil - " Your orders?"

Javik - 'We follow the plan. Initiate the revival process. We will rebuild. Our timetable indicates we can be ready to retake this galaxy in 200 years. The primitives have not yet branched out to the entire galaxy, they are afraid to open gates. This gives us an advantage."

Vigil -"These races, Asari, Human, Krogan, Salarian, Turian, they will not object to our plans, when we make our presence known?"

Javik - "They will fall into line."

Vigil - "And if they do not?"

Javil - "Their sacrifice will be honored, in the coming empire"

[KENNY4753]

inversevideo wrote...

Absolutely!

And I looked forward to the next chapter/trilogy spinning out of ME3.
But that did not occur. In my mind, Shepard would live or die, based on your decisions, but in the end, there would be a resolution, And the Universe would continue.

I could not have predicted the Starbrat, or the inconsistencies created by Starkids surprise inclusion. And having four possible outcomes makes a coherent future series ... problematic.

I'm no fan of prequels, but that might sell.

Honestly, I thought DA;O, when I envisioned the end. All roads would lead to a particular outcome, but how you got there would profoundly impact your character. i.e the 'Warden' could choose to make the 'ultimate sacrifice', or engage in 'Blood Magic' with Morigan, or get Loghain to atone for his sins by facing the Arch Demon. I'm not sure where the series would have gone if a Child Magister showed up during the last 10 minutes of the game.

I think Bioware had the perfect opportunity to setup the next trilogy, but missed it.
Instead of the Stargazer, the last scene should have played out something like..

Illos ... a sublevel 1 mile beneath the surface. Commander Javik speaking to a reactivated Vigil.

Javik: "how many survived?'

Vigil: " Nearly 2 million Commander. Many were lost. I was forced to turn off their pods to ensure the survival of the remainder'.

Javk - " Unfortunate, but necessary. We knew this was a possiblity."

Vigil - " Your orders?"

Javik - 'We follow the plan. Initiate the revival process. We will rebuild. Our timetable indicates we can be ready to retake this galaxy in 200 years. The primitives have not yet branched out to the entire galaxy, they are afraid to open gates. This gives us an advantage."

Vigil -"These races, Asari, Human, Krogan, Salarian, Turian, they will not object to our plans, when we make our presence known?"

Javik - "They will fall into line."

Vigil - "And if they do not?"

Javil - "Their sacrifice will be honored, in the coming empire"

That would be cool. The return of the Protheans

[BaladasDemnevanni]

Baa Baa wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

The body cannot live without the mind.

-Morpheus

For a moment, I thought that was from Deus Ex.

Ah, you're thinking of:

The body may heal, but the mind is not always so resistant.

-William Taggart

Great lines, the both of them.

Oh god, brings back memories of that awesome CGI trailer Deus Ex HR got.
"They cannot stop us Adam.... they cannot stop the future..."

Btw he says "resiliant" I think, not resistant

Good call! But yeah, that trailer is phenomenal. Probably one of the best I've ever seen.

[TK Dude]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

TK Dude wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

The body cannot live without the mind.

-Morpheus

For a moment, I thought that was from Deus Ex.

Ah, you're thinking of:

The body may heal, but the mind is not always so resistant.

-William Taggart

Great lines, the both of them.

Yes! I loved HR! 

[Hannah Montana]

Can Harry Potter exist without Harry Potter
Can Hannah Montana exist without Miley Stewart
Can Assassins creed exist without an assassin


The answer is no

[Mathy16]

Of Course. Mass Effect offers a rich, massive and mostly still unknown universe that can contain so much more then the Reaper-Shepard story arc. There are still so much planets, cities and even alien races that could and should be explored more.

Bioware created one of the biggest and richest Sci-Fi Universes ever and we certainly don't need the Reapers or Commander Shepard to tell a beautiful intriguing story.

[Ombot]

If anything else, the rich universe of mass effect is capable of a "chonicles" style story with new characters that can be presented via episodic content. It likely would not be set after the reaper war due to the trilogy's ending, and each episode could be nonsequential and introduce new characters, but it would be easy as hell to write and produce. just my 2 cents.

[JBPBRC]

LadyJ28 wrote...

I think that mass effect can exist without shepard as long as there is an amazing story to back up this new character. For example, In Star Wars after the empire is destroyed and the rebel alliance wins, there is really no big threat that exists. In many of the expanded universe stories, they have the characters chasing after remnants and broken down pieces of the former empire and it is pretty leads to a really boring story. It causes you to question "Why are they even doing this? The empire, emperor, and everyone else has been destroyed...what is this purpose of this story?"

To be fair Star Wars does introduce the Yuuzhan Vong from a different galaxy after the New Republic chasing down the Imperial Remnants got old. But after them they go right back to status quo, yay.

So in order for mass effect 4 to work there has to be a good reason why they are introducing this new character(if they are indeed thinking of a continuation instead of a prequel).

Easy, Shepard is dead or MIA. Or retired.

[XqctaX]

im not sure, if the writing is really good. and they stop breaking there own lore so that the imersion isnt broken i think a new protagonist could work very well...

its not the character that is most important. its how well he/she and everyone around is written

[Han Shot First]

KENNY4753 wrote...

It can exist without Shepard. Would it be anywhere near as good? NO! If they did make a ME4 that didn't have Shepard I would give it a shot but I doubt it would be half as good as the Mass Effect Trilogy we know.

People who were fans of Star Trek: The Original Series said the same thing when The Next Generation was first announced. Now 18 years after the final episode of The Next Generation aired, Captain Picard is easily just as beloved a character among that fanbase as Captain Kirk.

[Reofeir]

The series can go on without shepard. I really don't want shepard to continue even...
If the new Mass Effect story is good, I'll come to love the new guy. I might even like him even if it wasn't good!

[cdtrk65]

I think Mass Effect can get along just fine without Shepard.



As for ME4...They don't really need to build a new massive enemy invasion. It's as simple as going with IT. The first thing they need to do though is get Shepard out of way. There are plenty of battle fronts for a new hero to emerge giving the option for any race to be selectable (the back stories could be tied to each race like DAO), as you do the standard intro level you hear comm chatter about Shepard's defeat. Then after your recruited by someone (council/Hackett) to go and find what is left of Shepard beam run army. What is discovered, is either a indoctrinated Shepard, or a brutal broken Shepard that is no longer able to fight on the front lines. If Shepard isn't indoctrinated then Anderson is, taking the role of the main antagonist for the game. Basically Shepard and Anderson roles could be flip flopped based on choices made. If Shepard is indoctrinated your character has to deal with the despair that invades the galaxy as well as find a way to defeat Shepard/Anderson and continue to fight the reapers. I remember people talking about Javik's comments of cutting the throats of his squadmate's imagine if it was the new guy doing that to Shepard, heck even Anderson could be a tough one if done right. It would give the new guy instant grit (something to role play off of)...

Long story short it`s a simple as going with IT. It breaks down the endings to two possible outcomes something that both the first two games had and dealt with. It would also give some closure to Shepard`s storyline..anyway that is my four cents.

[Peranor]

Mass Effect can definitely go on without Shepard.

The question is, can Mass Effect go on with the current endings?
I see no room for a sequel without... trivializing the current endings.
One does not simply hand wave away synthesis and start ME4 by saying "many of the details have been lost in time". That would be a great way for Bioware to undermine their own so called "difficult and big choices".

[KOM_95]

No. I literally just got back from seeing the Bourne Legacy(First movie with no Jason Bourne.) It was horrible. It is the first franchise that has really left the main character in a big way and it's one of the worst films I've seen all year. It felt so regurgitated I hope this somehow discourages Bioware from leaving Shepard. Bioware don't destroy the franchise. Either leave it as atrilogyor move forward with Shepard

[DeadpoolBub]

I think it can. There's a ton of possibilities for games & stories that can be told in the Mass Effect universe. & I think that the next couple Mass Effect games will be spin-offs, probably smaller scale games. My preferred games would be about a C-Sec agent or a band of Mercs.

But I do think that we'll eventually see a Mass Effect 4 with Shepard back. Shepard's just going to take a little break, much like Master Chief has.

[Nirvex]

YES!! FOR THE LOVE OF GOD YES!!! ....sorry, just that i have to the point where my mind is distorted and overload from everyone's wangst... i thought i could move on really but the wansgt followed me to the swtor forum and now it's best for me to become insane since all logic is thrown out so i deduce, i have fallen.

[Delaney]

ME is more than just a universe ... It's a story! So ... The universe doesn't need Shepard - but the story does.

[yukon fire]

Probably as well as Mass Effect exists without Drew.

So no.

[SaidRael]

Picard showed that Star Trek could continue without Kirk. So yes

It's simple, no need to fundamentals.

[ZombieGambit]

If the books and comics are any indication, yes.

Also, other popular franchises with a single main protagonist have ditched him/her and have continue successfully.

[mjboldy]

KOM_95 wrote...

No. I literally just got back from seeing the Bourne Legacy(First movie with no Jason Bourne.) It was horrible. It is the first franchise that has really left the main character in a big way and it's one of the worst films I've seen all year. It felt so regurgitated I hope this somehow discourages Bioware from leaving Shepard. Bioware don't destroy the franchise. Either leave it as atrilogyor move forward with Shepard

I agree, although I didn't see the new Bourne movie yet. Shepard has become so ingrained with Mass Effect for me and I have gotten so attached to him that playing a new Mass Effect without him would just feel empty and akward. Better to leave it as a trilogy than to lose Shepard.

[WarGriffin]

JeffZero wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

Can Star Wars live without Luke? Star Trek without Kirk?


Yes, yes, and yes.

Exactly.

Goodness, the amount of fan outcry toward TNG early on was legendary. Granted, it was pretty poor for a while. But people eventually came around as Picard's crew began to rock. And Sisko's as well.

What about Janeway and Archer....

[CrimsonN7]

Yes the Mass Effect universe is bigger than one person, the comics, the novels have branched off nicely without Shepard, there is plenty of potential in the lore.

[TJBartlemus]

ZombieGambit wrote...

If the books and comics are any indication, yes.

Also, other popular franchises with a single main protagonist have ditched him/her and have continue successfully.

I agree. Hopefully it will be successful and from what BioWare has done...I'm sure they could pull it off.