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[JBPBRC]

anorling wrote...



Mass Effect can definitely go on without Shepard.

The question is, can Mass Effect go on with the current endings?
I see no room for a sequel without... trivializing the current endings.
One does not simply hand wave away synthesis and start ME4 by saying "many of the details have been lost in time". That would be a great way for Bioware to undermine their own so called "difficult and big choices".

Why not? Previous "big" choices such as the Rachni have been belittled already, why not these ones?

[HNNNNNNG]

Yes.
Comander shepard's story was amazing. I loved it. A fine trilogy.
yes, I would love dlc for more missions to continue that tale. Or hell, maybe even as far as another game that features shepard doing missions on the side during these main games. Or a game where you're his squad mates during the two years shepard was 'dead'.

But another mass effect game without shepard would be fine.

[WildHog70]

I think the problem of more games is about setting than Shepherd. Shep's just a blank frame on which to build YOUR Shep, easily reproduced with different default appearances and backgrounds. Anything past the Reaper War would be in vastly different set of universes than the trilogy is based. (Destroy/Control could be very similar. Synthesis and Refuse would be wildly different). But I've got to admit, romancing Liara while knowing her history and seeing who she has become in the intervening centuries would be interesting. You could also romance/meet Grunt.

[hoodaticus]

Julian Fuentes wrote...

Picard showed that Star Trek could continue without Kirk.

Star Trek did not continue without Kirk.  It went off the air for a decade of no new content whatsoever, then Kirk came back and did several new installments in the early 80's.  Only after Kirk's return made Star Trek truly legendary were spinoffs possible.

So no, Mass Effect will not survive without Shepard.  It will survive because he isn't done yet.

Pop Quiz: How many of the eleven Star Trek movies did NOT feature Kirk?

Answer: 3 (27%).  And the eleventh movie rebooted the franchise and made Kirk younger so we can have that much more of him.

Pop Quiz: Out of those three movies that don't have Kirk in them, how many didn't completely suck ****?

Answer 1: First Contact.  The other two were Insurrection and Nemesis, which were both so horrible that most people are probably unaware they exist.

Modifié par hoodaticus, 18 août 2012 - 04:18 .

[Nashiktal]

Personally? I think it will be really hard, at least not without seeming awkward.

If they do another godlike messiah PC that we seem to enjoy so much, they are going to have a hell of a time explaining why we never heard of him/her in the setting, especially if the protagonist is human.

Personally I think if bioware wants to continue using the customization character aspect, they will probably need to change up their formula and place us somewhere a little more morally grey, and more culturally directed. A spectre sounded like the perfect place to become a morally grey character, but the execution was spotty.

For example, perhaps we need to play as a mercenary. Or maybe a ship contracted for exploration.

[wymm666]

Why not? Non of the novels have Shepard in it. And except the last one (which is in the same story arc as ME3's ending mind you), they were fairly enjoyable and added to the story quite a bit, two of the characters even made it to ME3.

But then again, ME series was always built around Shepard. Anything else would have been trivial and would be an enormous undertaking to make it independent from the Shepard story arc. Everything that can be done with Mass Effect as it stands now must be either a prequel or a squadmate/minor character side story of some kind, all of which will invariably ends with the current ending.

[EvoSigma]

It will be difficult, but the mass universe is so rich that deciding not to divulge in such a setting would be a terrible mistake. Also, the publisher is EA so we know they're not going to make a great asset sit idley when it has the potential to make massive amounts of revenue for them.

[desert_beagle]

I want to say yes, but I feel like no it can't.  I actually didn't play any of these games until recently.  I wasn't interested in the first one when it came out (big mistake), but after seeing everything about the endings for ME3 I became intrigued and wanted to see for myself.  I bought all three and did a Mass Effect Marathon to see what all the fuss was about.

In the end, I have come to the conclusion that BioWare hasn't killed Shepard.  They killed me.  The choices I made in the games reflected the kind of person I really am.  It was more like playing one long game in three parts since my major story choices relfected on the world as it continued on through ME2 and ME3.  Even with the Racchni, since I chose to let the queen live.  I didn't really care or notice that hiccup in the story for ME3.  

My custom Shepard appearance looks pretty close to how I actually look.  It was that kind of connection that I felt, and then, at the end, I have no choice but to die.  Or did I.  Who knows? Even with the extended cut there is no closure.  I picked Destroy by the way.

To make a long story short, BioWare made a game series where You the player are the actual hero.  Not like you play as the MC in Halo, but you are the actual hero in the game.  Just insert your name for Shepard's.  That is the point, it's supposed to be an RPG, but most other RPGs have a disconnect between the avatar on the screen and the player.  The power in this series came from the ability to choose, and that was substantially scaled back in ME3 especially at the end.

Mass Effect can continue, but I don't want to just create some new character in the universe for the sake of milking a franchise.  I want to play as me, or as the person I created to represent me in ME1, and that is Commander Shepard.
 

[kimanol]

desert_beagle wrote...

I want to say yes, but I feel like no it can't.  I actually didn't play any of these games until recently.  I wasn't interested in the first one when it came out (big mistake), but after seeing everything about the endings for ME3 I became intrigued and wanted to see for myself.  I bought all three and did a Mass Effect Marathon to see what all the fuss was about.

In the end, I have come to the conclusion that BioWare hasn't killed Shepard.  They killed me.  The choices I made in the games reflected the kind of person I really am.  It was more like playing one long game in three parts since my major story choices relfected on the world as it continued on through ME2 and ME3.  Even with the Racchni, since I chose to let the queen live.  I didn't really care or notice that hiccup in the story for ME3.  

My custom Shepard appearance looks pretty close to how I actually look.  It was that kind of connection that I felt, and then, at the end, I have no choice but to die.  Or did I.  Who knows? Even with the extended cut there is no closure.  I picked Destroy by the way.

To make a long story short, BioWare made a game series where You the player are the actual hero.  Not like you play as the MC in Halo, but you are the actual hero in the game.  Just insert your name for Shepard's.  That is the point, it's supposed to be an RPG, but most other RPGs have a disconnect between the avatar on the screen and the player.  The power in this series came from the ability to choose, and that was substantially scaled back in ME3 especially at the end.

Mass Effect can continue, but I don't want to just create some new character in the universe for the sake of milking a franchise.  I want to play as me, or as the person I created to represent me in ME1, and that is Commander Shepard.
 

I agree with you, i also feel like i just got killd. I have playd ME1 seven times, ME2 also seven times and ME3 almost half way in second playthrough
( Because of the ending, and the DLC wasnt that good too, so i just lay of because it's still plenty of pissd of fans out there)

Sick of this. The DLC did make me feel like im getting killd then the first one. because at last the first ending we saw that shep could maby get  in ME4. Why is it that it was radical entertainment that needed to go under for Prototype 2? Its more BW that need to go underfor the **** up of this ending in the game.....! Im getting sick  And just want to  them all.... Games are my life realy, i have a life too, but the games is my life life. Without them, i dont wanna live, and ME1,2,3(Until the ending comes) is my #1.

[saber00005]

Speezy wrote...

WildHog70 wrote...
You could also romance/meet Grunt.

No.

This makes me lol.

Modifié par saber00005, 29 août 2012 - 01:28 .

[saber00005]

ShepnTali wrote...

Can Star Wars live without Luke? Star Trek without Kirk?


Yes, yes, and yes.

I say that you are wrong. Why? Starwars continued its story by creating 3 starwars films BEFORE the 3 that
George Lukis Made. How does that different? Starwars had a BIG story gap that could easily be filled. Mass effect really doesn't, and if they they had 1 thing, they pretty much played all it's cards. The only thing now, is to maybe create a mass effect universe during the post war with the turians.



But honestly, after how everything played out, why should I, or anyone else, even bother? Unlike Mass effect, Luke, from starwars, didn't die. They had a happy ending, all the heroes survived. In Lord of the Rings, everyone survived and had a happy ending. How Mass effect ended, was VERY depressing as to everything you've worked hard to build during your game play, is practically destroyed. Why play a game that is to take place before a series with a doomed ending? Not to mention, all the technology that you've come to love and adore, probably wouldn't be around during the post war. Bioware won't be able to invent and implement new weapons because they aren't shown in the later games.



I think what's worst of after, ALL this time, Bioware won't tell us loyal gamers, what happens to Shepard. Their community is so divided by people who believe that the ending was real, and those who are IT believers.
They pull the artistic card (which is OK to a certain extent). However, teasing the community and remain a lot of people on edge, is cruel. Yes, it's great marketing tool, but it just SUCKS being the victim of it. Instead, it seems that they continue to create more DLCs for players that are willing to buy, in hopes of the ending to be less depressing. How many articles out there stated that the endings would possibly be changed by this DLC? In my experience, and from what I've read in many, many novels out there, If your going to write the main character/hero off, you make it 100% clear. Even Still, after reviewing games 1, 2, and 3, Shepard lived a VERY, VERY, VERY, depressing life from the start, to his end in ME3. It would have been nice to see a happy ending for him. This third game, made him SO desprite to succeed. That's nice that humanity, and all allien life is safe.. But I care about those that I spent over my 200+ hours of my life on.

Just Saying.

Modifié par saber00005, 29 août 2012 - 01:42 .

[LucianaIV]

I believe a post-Shepard series of ME games should be possible, as many have stated, this universe is so far more then just Shepard.

However, it can also not be denied that it would be a lot easier for a lot of people, me included, to let go of Shepard if he/she had gone out properly/with a bang rather then this starchild 3 colored cones of ice cream with the same flavor crap.

I have no issue with not playing Shepard in ME4 or whatever it's called, as long as a character just as customizable (preferably more so, like DA:O) as Shepard takes his/her place.

I do have an issue with the way Shepard went out.

*edit* Ughh, apologies for the necro, I had failed to notice the last post date.

Modifié par LucianaIV, 05 juin 2013 - 09:04 .

[TaZo_VasN]

They can do a ME without Shepard but please BioWare: Finish Shepard's story first, before thinking about anything else! I could imagine another trilogy or at least one game so players feel the kind of closure they always asked for.
Another problem is how they are going to make new characters. Turians for example look very similar, just like Quarians and Salarians... even Asari are hard to distinguish etc. Plus I'd always look at them as if they were rip-off's of the original ME-crew.

[NeonFlux117]

Mass Effect can exist without shepard. Easily. The real interesting question is- Can Mass Effect be highly liked and admired by fans and critics and achieve what the first 3 games did, without Shepard?

I think not.

But BioWare and EA are gonna try. And their gonna milk this puppy dry for all it's worth.


I fully expect Mass Effect to go the way of Assassins Creed and Madden. A new genric, boring, lame, safe game every year.

And you know what? Gamers will eat it up. Why? Cause most gamers are pretty dumb and fickle.

Prove me wrong game industry. I dare you, no,no. I double dare you.

[NeonFlux117]

Morocco Mole wrote...

Shepard isn't Mass Effect.

The universe is Mass Effect. Shepard just happened to live in it. We'll get another Mary Sue Power Fantasy in the next Mass Effect game

"Mary Sue Power Fantasy". That's good, bro. :lol::lol:

[shodiswe]

Shepard was but a TOOL and an extension of the player.

All we need is another "Body" to posess like a deamon and runaround unleashing Death and destruction in our path.

[Bizinha]

Yes it can.

But the acceptance of a new character will be very difficult, after the mediocre end of ME3 .

[dublin omega 223]

sporeian wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yes it can. And removing Master Chief from Halo would not cause the universe to explode. In fact, it's already been done.

Because the $60 map pack known as ODST worked perfectly

For the record I liked Halo ODST 10/10 from me as I'm more of an Arbiter fan then a Master Chief fan and quite frankly I think the chief is overrated.

As for Mass Effect it simply cannot exist without Shepard as Shepards story is not finished yet. The Indoctrination Theory hasn't been made canon yet. When it is it can continue without Shepard, not until then!

Modifié par dublin omega 223, 05 juin 2013 - 02:47 .

[PHGDAL]

Wow really? I respect your opinion but Halo ODST for me was the game that I regretted buying the most.

Every franchise needs a symbol. Halo has MasterChief, if he didn't die, why does Shepard have to? EA and Bioware are effectively crippling their franchise by removing him. No other character will match him.

As for those saying they should make it 300 years later and allow you to romance Liara, she isn't the only LI out there. I already disliked that the developers always pushed Shepard to her, I don't like Liara enough to want her as an LI. And I would most certainly HATE a game that brings her back but not Tali and Garrus. Ever since ME1, Tali and Garrus are the only two on my squad. They are the three (Shepard, Garrus, and Tali) that I want to see in the next games.

I started playing Mass Effect in late April 2013 (yes, this recently). I was completely unaware of the games before this, I had heard of them but just never felt they were interesting.
One day, I watched a YouTube video where there was a single scene. Shepard and Tali on the Normandy in ME2.

Long story short, Shepard and Tali's romance was what made me buy this trilogy and all its DLC on Origin. There is absolutely NO Mass Effect without Shepard and his LI.

[dublin omega 223]

PHGDAL wrote...

Wow really? I respect your opinion but Halo ODST for me was the game that I regretted buying the most.

Every franchise needs a symbol. Halo has MasterChief, if he didn't die, why does Shepard have to? EA and Bioware are effectively crippling their franchise by removing him. No other character will match him.

As for those saying they should make it 300 years later and allow you to romance Liara, she isn't the only LI out there. I already disliked that the developers always pushed Shepard to her, I don't like Liara enough to want her as an LI. And I would most certainly HATE a game that brings her back but not Tali and Garrus. Ever since ME1, Tali and Garrus are the only two on my squad. They are the three (Shepard, Garrus, and Tali) that I want to see in the next games.

I started playing Mass Effect in late April 2013 (yes, this recently). I was completely unaware of the games before this, I had heard of them but just never felt they were interesting.
One day, I watched a YouTube video where there was a single scene. Shepard and Tali on the Normandy in ME2.

Long story short, Shepard and Tali's romance was what made me buy this trilogy and all its DLC on Origin. There is absolutely NO Mass Effect without Shepard and his LI.

I gotta agree all the pushing of Liara as an LI and Biowares pet character has made Liara my second least favourite squadmate after Ashley the Racist.

For me Shepards canon LI is Tali. And persinally for me Halo Wars was the Halo game I hated the most.

[KaiserShep]

I think the Mass Effect franchise has a poorer shot if Shepard is removed entirely, *unless* they manage to write an ensemble of characters that can get us to like and care about them the same way we did the first group, on top of avoiding the most egregious mistakes they made with the first trilogy. Without Shepard, characters like Garrus, Liara, Tali, etc. are not quite as meaningful anymore, because we're all accustomed to the history they have with Shepard, so if he/she goes, they pretty much go with him/her.

Frankly, I have serious doubts that they can pull this off, though I'd like to be wrong.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Sure. I love playing Shepard, don't get me wrong, but his/her story is over with the defeat of the Reapers, and the Mass Effect universe is interesting partly for its scope and detail. I'd like to see the franchise focus on something with less of a military setting for the next game and slightly reduce the amount of combat compared to exploration and dialogue.