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[DeathScepter]

BAD writing I do tell you that. Bioware has good writers but they dropped the ball on Cerberus. There are numbers of factions that could be the villains of ME3 or have several of them and them being controlled by Harbringer.

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...
1.The free 
propaganda got many people to join and help cerberus....You just answered you own quetion.

They got some recruits. By actively protecting the colonies while the Alliance sat on it's ass, they'd get many more.

Added, the goal of the mission was get info from the collector on the reapers...blowing up the ship would not help

Gambling that the Normandy would be able to datamine the ship before being blown up when they could've sent 2 cruisers to attempt to disable the ship and gain not only data but important technology is ridiculously dumb.

2.It ws never stated that cerberus can't make ships. In fact it's shown they can. That  station cerberus had to make the normandy can make other ships

Sigh. Yet AGAIN. Scale. Numbers. They can make some ships. Not that many.

[General User]

DecCylonus wrote...

General User wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

General User wrote...

xsdob wrote...

General User wrote...

Are there hidden shipyards somewhere that large fleets can be built in secret for interested private parties?

Yes, that's how the corporatist fleet that invaded gavrog got their fleets, and how noveria has their own fleet. When you have enough money, you can manage to build yourself a military force.

And those forces were raised in secret?

You missing the fact that no one ca see everything going on is space at once. What would propmt anyone form even knowing something is being build. If we can build the crucible with out the reapers knowing, why can't cerberus build a fleet without us knowing?

Because in order to build a fleet of that scale in secret you'd need active help from a major faction.  Either that or be working to a plan with  a decades or even centuries long time frame.  Or both.  Cerberus had neither.  Besides, the Reapers knew we were building the Crucible, they just couldn't (or didn't) stop us.

A single ship like the SR-2 sure, maybe even a squadron or three of light-medium combatants, but for a whole fleet!  It just doesn't hold up without some sort of explanation.

In two years, Cerberus raised the money to resurrect Shepard and build the SR2. It nearly bankrupted them, but they did it. We know that the old SR1 cost as much as several warships, and the SR2 is more advanced. Miranda also hints that the cost of bringing Shepard back was astronomical. Those events clearly state that Cerberus has vast resources. It's ridiculous to argue that they can't afford to build some cruisers. Furthermore, they own ship building companies, so they can build them at cost.

Nothing says that Cerberus had to build their ships all at once. If they can afford the Lazarus project and the SR2 in two years, they could have been building other ships before that. They always conceal their resources and assets, so the fleet very well could have been hanging out at Cronos Station, which the Alliance couldn't find until ME3 either.

If you're building an entire military, and doing so in secret, you need alot more than money.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Who said I did? I don't beleive we have to be turned o reaper to stop organics and synthetic from killing each other.
I'm just explaining his logic. I destroyed him.
2."
 why the Catalyst shows emotion when you refuse him. "
Because he knows that he missed the last chance he ever will have to solve the problem he is given and the next cycle will destory him.

and know him having emotions makes him not Shackled right?

Emotion is not an indicator of being unshackled.Even EDI had emotions when she was shackle. She was even  upset to the point to threaten joker when she was shackled.

no she wasn't, it was until she got unshackled went started learning about emotions

Remeber that scene when Joker stated EDI threated to have him fired?


The funny thing about the scean is that is shows that shakled AI's can do things that they are not restricted to do on their own. She was never restricted form messing with Joker.

That makes a point towards the catalyst preserving when he is not restricted for doing so.

[dreman9999]

General User wrote...

DecCylonus wrote...

General User wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

General User wrote...

xsdob wrote...

General User wrote...

Are there hidden shipyards somewhere that large fleets can be built in secret for interested private parties?

Yes, that's how the corporatist fleet that invaded gavrog got their fleets, and how noveria has their own fleet. When you have enough money, you can manage to build yourself a military force.

And those forces were raised in secret?

You missing the fact that no one ca see everything going on is space at once. What would propmt anyone form even knowing something is being build. If we can build the crucible with out the reapers knowing, why can't cerberus build a fleet without us knowing?

Because in order to build a fleet of that scale in secret you'd need active help from a major faction.  Either that or be working to a plan with  a decades or even centuries long time frame.  Or both.  Cerberus had neither.  Besides, the Reapers knew we were building the Crucible, they just couldn't (or didn't) stop us.

A single ship like the SR-2 sure, maybe even a squadron or three of light-medium combatants, but for a whole fleet!  It just doesn't hold up without some sort of explanation.

In two years, Cerberus raised the money to resurrect Shepard and build the SR2. It nearly bankrupted them, but they did it. We know that the old SR1 cost as much as several warships, and the SR2 is more advanced. Miranda also hints that the cost of bringing Shepard back was astronomical. Those events clearly state that Cerberus has vast resources. It's ridiculous to argue that they can't afford to build some cruisers. Furthermore, they own ship building companies, so they can build them at cost.

Nothing says that Cerberus had to build their ships all at once. If they can afford the Lazarus project and the SR2 in two years, they could have been building other ships before that. They always conceal their resources and assets, so the fleet very well could have been hanging out at Cronos Station, which the Alliance couldn't find until ME3 either.

If you're building an entire military, and doing so in secret, you need alot more than money.

And cerberus has that. 
The alliance can find them so they have logictics.
The terminus is a free market full of resourse which perchases can be made with no logs.
And there no restrictions on taking resources from planets.

Cerberus have everything they have to do this.

[Star fury]

DecCylonus wrote...

In the 1930's, Japan managed to build the Yamato class dreadnoughts - the largest battleships ever built - in complete secrecy.

Yamato example is completely irrelevant. Japan managed to hide these enormous battleships from other countries, mainly from the USA.

Cerberus is a part of Alliance, it's a one country. Cerberus has only ONE shipbuilding company - Cord-Hislop Aerospace as a front corporation. If you want to operate with real-life examples, then Cord-Hislop Aerospace building cruisers for Cerberus is like US corporation building cruisers for Al-Qaeda.

Modifié par Star fury, 17 août 2012 - 06:30 .

[Hrothdane]

Why are we talking about the Catalyst in a thread about Cerberus?

Not to mention it isn't even a new argument about the Catalyst.

[AresKeith]

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Who said I did? I don't beleive we have to be turned o reaper to stop organics and synthetic from killing each other.
I'm just explaining his logic. I destroyed him.
2."
 why the Catalyst shows emotion when you refuse him. "
Because he knows that he missed the last chance he ever will have to solve the problem he is given and the next cycle will destory him.

and know him having emotions makes him not Shackled right?

Emotion is not an indicator of being unshackled.Even EDI had emotions when she was shackle. She was even  upset to the point to threaten joker when she was shackled.

no she wasn't, it was until she got unshackled went started learning about emotions

Remeber that scene when Joker stated EDI threated to have him fired?


The funny thing about the scean is that is shows that shakled AI's can do things that they are not restricted to do on their own. She was never restricted form messing with Joker.

That makes a point towards the catalyst preserving when he is not restricted for doing so.

thats not an emotion

[DecCylonus]

The Angry One wrote...

There are only so many colonies. Place 2 ships to patrol each colony. No more problem.

Cerberus doesn't have that many ships. Besides, it's a bad idea. Without upgrades, the SR2 does poorly against the Collector ship. They only pull it out because they have Shepard in command and Joker to pilot. Other ships would likely lose. Remember, the Collectors took out a Turian cruiser with minimal damage to their ship.

The Angry One wrote...

Or send a probe. You know, like the Shadow Broker did. Put a Reaper IFF on it. When it comes back with the proper data, send the fleet in. LIKE THEY SEND IN A FLEET OF SCIENCE SHIPS IN THE BAD ENDING.

They didn't know they needed a Reaper IFF until Shepard had already completed most of his mission. Even then, they only had one. They sent their best ship and crew because that gave the best chance of success at stopping the Collectors. Waiting to produce more would give the Collectors more time, and TIM was hot to get his hands on Reaper tech. His plan was to have Shepard and the SR2 acquire the base. The science team was plan B after Shepard quit.

[General User]

dreman9999 wrote...

You have no idea how big space is do you or anything the cerberus did  after ME2?
1. Cerberus did have help. Read ME:RETRIBUTION. It's Aria.

2. The alliance and the citadel would not have the info of logs of what is going on in the terminus systems at all anyway. They have no control over those system and info on what they are doing. Cerbeus could do any thing they want there and no one would know. Hell, cerberus has done this already many time over in ME2.

3.We also have noveria where the production  is keeps away out of council bisness. It takes a spectre to even begin to get through the red tape to get in.

Understand this, space is big. Things can happen in it that people will never know about, and logs can easily be false. It can be stated to be doing one thing at one place and be doing another. For the alliace to even be able to suspect, we have to no where the group is and see the hints of the production. If it done in the terminus and with no way for the alliace to see any logs or transport. They would never know...Same as the council...Andcerberus has been doing this for years.

You keep saying space is big, but that isn't really true.  The robots at Disney were right, it is a small world afterall.  Skilled technicans, strategic resources, proprietary technologies, any COTS or GOTS components used, you can't lay your hands on all these things and more that an entire fleet would need without without tripping a whole chorus of alarm bells.  Not without years upon years (even centuries) of preparation or the active support of a major faction.  Cerberus had neither.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
1.The free 
propaganda got many people to join and help cerberus....You just answered you own quetion.

They got some recruits. By actively protecting the colonies while the Alliance sat on it's ass, they'd get many more.

Added, the goal of the mission was get info from the collector on the reapers...blowing up the ship would not help

Gambling that the Normandy would be able to datamine the ship before being blown up when they could've sent 2 cruisers to attempt to disable the ship and gain not only data but important technology is ridiculously dumb.

2.It ws never stated that cerberus can't make ships. In fact it's shown they can. That  station cerberus had to make the normandy can make other ships

Sigh. Yet AGAIN. Scale. Numbers. They can make some ships. Not that many.

1. It was clearly alot.
2. Your say sending a cruser to do the mission over a stealth ship is a bad idea? The collector can't be taken by force.
3. Agian where is it shown that the cerberus fleets equla the number of alliance fleets?
You missing the fact that cerberus can take the alliance on becuase the alliance is spread thin fighting the reapers.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

dreman9999 wrote...
This is cerberus...
logistics and resources are not a problem. Even with retribution. Heck, it retrubution TIM is help by Aria and then with the resource for omega....Take it's it form her.
And with that none ofthe nation in the termunus i strong enough to take omega. Iftim could do it, no othe r terminuse nation would try to take it.
As for you last statement, the concept of Shepard was as a pawn. A pawn so great that it can gain much support to cerberus and get the collector base with the lease loss of man power.
Because of Shepard, many people who were aeinst cerberus became pro cerberus.Even joined up. Even alians helped cerberus.
Why do you think we have a Squad made of mostly aliens on a cerberus ship? Could not TIM just use the bestof his own soldier to help Shepard? Why use the best of other races?.....It is a suicide mission with a high chance of lose of life....Using his own soldiers means loses resouces. Using someone else soldiers like he did in ME2, means he doesn't. 

Logistics are not a problem? Such things are issues for everyone.

Omega is in a weakend state from recent fighting, don't tell me anyone would not jump at this opportunity. And don't tell me that the council races would not notice Cerberus making such an obvious move as taking Omega. You would think the council races would have some sort of spec ops or black ops in order to oppose them.

And Shepard as a pawn is a dumb idea. Not only is he not necessary for the job, he has bad experience with Cerberus, why not just have Miranda lead the Normandy? Hire a couple of mercenaries at Zaeed's calliber and mix a few of your own soldiers. Sure, they will all get killed, but you will have a much more loyal subject leading the team meaning a far greater chance they won't give you the finger and blow up the base.

[dreman9999]

General User wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

You have no idea how big space is do you or anything the cerberus did  after ME2?
1. Cerberus did have help. Read ME:RETRIBUTION. It's Aria.

2. The alliance and the citadel would not have the info of logs of what is going on in the terminus systems at all anyway. They have no control over those system and info on what they are doing. Cerbeus could do any thing they want there and no one would know. Hell, cerberus has done this already many time over in ME2.

3.We also have noveria where the production  is keeps away out of council bisness. It takes a spectre to even begin to get through the red tape to get in.

Understand this, space is big. Things can happen in it that people will never know about, and logs can easily be false. It can be stated to be doing one thing at one place and be doing another. For the alliace to even be able to suspect, we have to no where the group is and see the hints of the production. If it done in the terminus and with no way for the alliace to see any logs or transport. They would never know...Same as the council...Andcerberus has been doing this for years.

You keep saying space is big, but that isn't really true.  The robots at Disney were right, it is a small world afterall.  Skilled technicans, strategic resources, proprietary technologies, any COTS or GOTS components used, you can't lay your hands on all these things and more that an entire fleet would need without without tripping a whole chorus of alarm bells.  Not without years upon years (even centuries) of preparation or the active support of a major faction.  Cerberus had neither.

Bs. Space is big. And all you stated can be gotten off the market in the terminus systems which are outside the control of the alliance and council.

[Star fury]

dreman9999 wrote...

3. Agian where is it shown that the cerberus fleets equla the number of alliance fleets?
You missing the fact that cerberus can take the alliance on becuase the alliance is spread thin fighting the reapers.

Hackett clearly states that if joint forces go against Cerberus, they can't hide it from Reapers. His statement shows that Cerberus fleet and army are big enough.

[The Angry One]

DecCylonus wrote...

Cerberus doesn't have that many ships.

They have enough to fight the entire Fifth Fleet and not immediately be crushed.

Besides, it's a bad idea. Without upgrades, the SR2 does poorly against the Collector ship. They only pull it out because they have Shepard in command and Joker to pilot. Other ships would likely lose. Remember, the Collectors took out a Turian cruiser with minimal damage to their ship.

Hence, 2 cruisers. Why should TIM care if he loses one? He gets a Collector ship in exchange.

Shepard is a hideously incompetent ship commander, and Joker's piloting has nothing to do with firepower, which Thanix cannon or no manages to take down the Collector ship decisively.

They didn't know they needed a Reaper IFF until Shepard had already completed most of his mission.

Which is why they were already salvaging it from the derelict Reaper.

Even then, they only had one. They sent their best ship and crew because that gave the best chance of success at stopping the Collectors. Waiting to produce more would give the Collectors more time, and TIM was hot to get his hands on Reaper tech. His plan was to have Shepard and the SR2 acquire the base. The science team was plan B after Shepard quit.

They have copies of the Reaper IFF installed on their science ships and ready to mere hours (at most) after Shepard blows it up.
Having a fleet come in and secure the base without Shepard would achieve the same results. Better results, because there's no risk of, say, Kai Leng disobeying TIM and blowing up the base.

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It was clearly alot.

And they could have more. Entire colonies grateful to Cerberus instead of handfuls of misanthropes and Alliance dropouts.

2. Your say sending a cruser to do the mission over a stealth ship is a bad idea? The collector can't be taken by force.

Because?

3. Agian where is it shown that the cerberus fleets equla the number of alliance fleets?
You missing the fact that cerberus can take the alliance on becuase the alliance is spread thin fighting the reapers.

I'm saying that Cerberus has a fleet that can at least challenge the Fifth Fleet. That's a lot of ships.
That's not even counting the ones they should have at Omega.

Modifié par The Angry One, 17 août 2012 - 06:38 .

[dreman9999]

Lizardviking wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
This is cerberus...
logistics and resources are not a problem. Even with retribution. Heck, it retrubution TIM is help by Aria and then with the resource for omega....Take it's it form her.
And with that none ofthe nation in the termunus i strong enough to take omega. Iftim could do it, no othe r terminuse nation would try to take it.
As for you last statement, the concept of Shepard was as a pawn. A pawn so great that it can gain much support to cerberus and get the collector base with the lease loss of man power.
Because of Shepard, many people who were aeinst cerberus became pro cerberus.Even joined up. Even alians helped cerberus.
Why do you think we have a Squad made of mostly aliens on a cerberus ship? Could not TIM just use the bestof his own soldier to help Shepard? Why use the best of other races?.....It is a suicide mission with a high chance of lose of life....Using his own soldiers means loses resouces. Using someone else soldiers like he did in ME2, means he doesn't. 

Logistics are not a problem? Such things are issues for everyone.

Omega is in a weakend state from recent fighting, don't tell me anyone would not jump at this opportunity. And don't tell me that the council races would not notice Cerberus making such an obvious move as taking Omega. You would think the council races would have some sort of spec ops or black ops in order to oppose them.

And Shepard as a pawn is a dumb idea. Not only is he not necessary for the job, he has bad experience with Cerberus, why not just have Miranda lead the Normandy? Hire a couple of mercenaries at Zaeed's calliber and mix a few of your own soldiers. Sure, they will all get killed, but you will have a much more loyal subject leading the team meaning a far greater chance they won't give you the finger and blow up the base.

He want you not getting.Cerberus is an organization who strongest point is steath. No one will ever know wht they are doin gif they do the same tactics as before. Hech, no one ever truely did out side of the sb.

Omega is not in a weakens state at all. Cerberus only lost ground forces taking the station, and then quickly restored those forces. Cerberus is using reaper tech to enhace their tactics. Any one of the terminous nation try to take it they would lose.

Also, the council does not care about omega and would not try to take it.

Fianlly, it's not a bad idea. TIM can get the station with less of the long term resources lost. The point was to use sheaprd as properganda and get people and aliens that would not help him before to help him. And it worked.

[KENNY4753]

dreman9999 wrote...

Fianlly, it's not a bad idea. TIM can get the station with less of the long term resources lost. The point was to use sheaprd as properganda and get people and aliens that would not help him before to help him. And it worked.

Yeah. He got Conrad.

[Father_Jerusalem]

The Angry One wrote...

xsdob wrote...

You mean like how Binary Helix, Guanghui Solutions, and Sonax Industries did when they invaded gavrog, a terminus system planet controled by the krogan, and took the damn thing over with their own army and fleet?

Which would never be able to challenge an Alliance fleet.
I am sick and tired of you strawmanning my point so I will capitalise this for emphasis.

I AM TALKING ABOUT SCALE. NUMBERS.

xsdob wrote...

More over, they had a fleet capable of
defeating hegemony forces during the anhur rebellion. Ponder that, a
mercenary force was able to defeat the batarians fleet in combat..

Oh my goodness! They were able to defeat Space North Korea!
This proves what exactly?

Let me ask again, if Cerberus already had the ships, why didn't they use them in ME2?

Because ME2 was never about stopping the Collectors, from TIM's point of view. It was a long con designed to get Shepard to become a part of Cerberus and work with Cerberus to stop (or rather, control) the Reapers. 

If the Collectors were stopped, so much the better, but that wasn't the goal.

[dreman9999]

The Angry One wrote...

DecCylonus wrote...

Cerberus doesn't have that many ships.

They have enough to fight the entire Fifth Fleet and not immediately be crushed.

Besides, it's a bad idea. Without upgrades, the SR2 does poorly against the Collector ship. They only pull it out because they have Shepard in command and Joker to pilot. Other ships would likely lose. Remember, the Collectors took out a Turian cruiser with minimal damage to their ship.

Hence, 2 cruisers. Why should TIM care if he loses one? He gets a Collector ship in exchange.

Shepard is a hideously incompetent ship commander, and Joker's piloting has nothing to do with firepower, which Thanix cannon or no manages to take down the Collector ship decisively.

They didn't know they needed a Reaper IFF until Shepard had already completed most of his mission.

Which is why they were already salvaging it from the derelict Reaper.

Even then, they only had one. They sent their best ship and crew because that gave the best chance of success at stopping the Collectors. Waiting to produce more would give the Collectors more time, and TIM was hot to get his hands on Reaper tech. His plan was to have Shepard and the SR2 acquire the base. The science team was plan B after Shepard quit.

They have copies of the Reaper IFF installed on their science ships and ready to mere hours (at most) after Shepard blows it up.
Having a fleet come in and secure the base without Shepard would achieve the same results. Better results, because there's no risk of, say, Kai Leng disobeying TIM and blowing up the base.

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It was clearly alot.

And they could have more. Entire colonies grateful to Cerberus instead of handfuls of misanthropes and Alliance dropouts.

2. Your say sending a cruser to do the mission over a stealth ship is a bad idea? The collector can't be taken by force.

Because?

3. Agian where is it shown that the cerberus fleets equla the number of alliance fleets?
You missing the fact that cerberus can take the alliance on becuase the alliance is spread thin fighting the reapers.

I'm saying that Cerberus has a fleet that can at least challenge the Fifth Fleet. That's a lot of ships.
That's not even counting the ones they should have at Omega.

1. It was not drop outs. clearly it was alot of people who joined cerberus.
2.Becaue a cruser can be easilly found. Move too slw to evade oculos. Can't use EDI to help the ship. And has no stealth.

3.Where is this shown? Cerberus has never been shown to have a fleet that can take the 5th fleet on. Heck, the cerberus fleets loose well before we get to the end of cronos station.

[DecCylonus]

Star fury wrote...

DecCylonus wrote...

In the 1930's, Japan managed to build the Yamato class dreadnoughts - the largest battleships ever built - in complete secrecy.

Yamato example is completely irrelevant. Japan managed to hide these enormous battleships from other countries, mainly from the USA.

Cerberus is a part of Alliance, it's a one country. Cerberus has only ONE shipbuilding company - Cord-Hislop Aerospace as a front corporation. If you want to operate with real-life examples, then Cord-Hislop Aerospace building cruisers for Cerberus is like US corporation building cruisers for Al-Qaeda.

Wrong. Japan hid them from everyone: USA, Britain Germany, etc. The example isn't about countries. It's about the fact that you can hide ship construction by calling it something else in the official records and concealing the construction dock. No paper trail, no visible ship under construction, no suspicion.

Cerberus is not part of the Alliance. It's a terrorist organization that happens to exist within the space claimed by the Alliance. Space, by the way, is huge. Cerberus has successfully hidden space stations that the Alliance couldn't find until ME3. A shipyard is just another space station.

Definition of a front: a legitimate business run by a criminal organization to help conceal illegal activities. It would be stupid to build military vessels at the main Cord-Hislop shipyards in full view of the Alliance, but they don't have to. The fact that Cerberus owns a shipyard means they posess the knowledge to build a ship anywhere they can transport materials and manpower to. Acquiring that knowledge is the hardest part. Once they have it, they can build their own shipyard in an out-of-the-way spot and recruit a workforce that isn't sympathetic to the Alliance. Materials could be funneled through Cord-Hislop and other front companies with falsified records to conceal their true purpose. Problem solved.

[hypnotizedmind]

Sacrifices must be made for the good of humanity.

The ends justify the means.

Dump eezo on an entire colony of humans.

Sure, many will die.

But the survivors will become a powerful representation of humanities perseverance.

This is how I view Cerberus, and the Illusive Man.

I don't always agree with his methods, but Cerberus will always be that gray area to me.

Humanity first.

[Star fury]

DecCylonus wrote...

Star fury wrote...

DecCylonus wrote...

In the 1930's, Japan managed to build the Yamato class dreadnoughts - the largest battleships ever built - in complete secrecy.

Yamato example is completely irrelevant. Japan managed to hide these enormous battleships from other countries, mainly from the USA.

Cerberus is a part of Alliance, it's a one country. Cerberus has only ONE shipbuilding company - Cord-Hislop Aerospace as a front corporation. If you want to operate with real-life examples, then Cord-Hislop Aerospace building cruisers for Cerberus is like US corporation building cruisers for Al-Qaeda.

Wrong. Japan hid them from everyone: USA, Britain Germany, etc. The example isn't about countries. It's about the fact that you can hide ship construction by calling it something else in the official records and concealing the construction dock. No paper trail, no visible ship under construction, no suspicion.

Cerberus is not part of the Alliance. It's a terrorist organization that happens to exist within the space claimed by the Alliance. Space, by the way, is huge. Cerberus has successfully hidden space stations that the Alliance couldn't find until ME3. A shipyard is just another space station.

Definition of a front: a legitimate business run by a criminal organization to help conceal illegal activities. It would be stupid to build military vessels at the main Cord-Hislop shipyards in full view of the Alliance, but they don't have to. The fact that Cerberus owns a shipyard means they posess the knowledge to build a ship anywhere they can transport materials and manpower to. Acquiring that knowledge is the hardest part. Once they have it, they can build their own shipyard in an out-of-the-way spot and recruit a workforce that isn't sympathetic to the Alliance. Materials could be funneled through Cord-Hislop and other front companies with falsified records to conceal their true purpose. Problem solved.

Okay, tell me - can Al-Qaeda order cruisers from US company? Can IRA order cruisers from British company? Yes- No. 

[The Angry One]

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It was not drop outs. clearly it was alot of people who joined cerberus.

Critically missing the point yet again.

2.Becaue a cruser can be easilly found. Move too slw to evade oculos. Can't use EDI to help the ship. And has no stealth.

You do realise ships can't be tracked at FTL, right? All they have to do is FTL out near where the Collector ship is playing possum and blast it while it tries to power up.

3.Where is this shown? Cerberus has never been shown to have a fleet that can take the 5th fleet on. Heck, the cerberus fleets loose well before we get to the end of cronos station.

For the 500th time. That they lose is not the issue, it's that they could put up a fight at all.

[dreman9999]

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. Who said I did? I don't beleive we have to be turned o reaper to stop organics and synthetic from killing each other.
I'm just explaining his logic. I destroyed him.
2."
 why the Catalyst shows emotion when you refuse him. "
Because he knows that he missed the last chance he ever will have to solve the problem he is given and the next cycle will destory him.

and know him having emotions makes him not Shackled right?

Emotion is not an indicator of being unshackled.Even EDI had emotions when she was shackle. She was even  upset to the point to threaten joker when she was shackled.

no she wasn't, it was until she got unshackled went started learning about emotions

Remeber that scene when Joker stated EDI threated to have him fired?


The funny thing about the scean is that is shows that shakled AI's can do things that they are not restricted to do on their own. She was never restricted form messing with Joker.

That makes a point towards the catalyst preserving when he is not restricted for doing so.

thats not an emotion

That is an emotion. She did because it ammused her, a big hint to the direction her character went.. She has yet to stop doing this.

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The Angry One wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

1. It was not drop outs. clearly it was alot of people who joined cerberus.

Critically missing the point yet again.

2.Becaue a cruser can be easilly found. Move too slw to evade oculos. Can't use EDI to help the ship. And has no stealth.

You do realise ships can't be tracked at FTL, right? All they have to do is FTL out near where the Collector ship is playing possum and blast it while it tries to power up.

3.Where is this shown? Cerberus has never been shown to have a fleet that can take the 5th fleet on. Heck, the cerberus fleets loose well before we get to the end of cronos station.

For the 500th time. That they lose is not the issue, it's that they could put up a fight at all.

1. You missing the point that ammout is the issue. If they got allot of people to join cerberus then the goal was met. It did not matter the skill , that was soon fixed anyway.
2.Your taking about a ship with tech that can track the normady...That would not work. The would sense the ship way before they are attacked
3. Any ammout of ships can put up a fight. We can only guage there streight by how long they last.....And it was not a long fight.

Modifié par dreman9999, 17 août 2012 - 07:08 .