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[PSUHammer]

I see a lot of posts of people complaining that they are totally done with the game and the whole series. I am not trolling or anything, but if you ARE done, why would you continue to post on the forum for a game you dislike? I am assuming it is the enjoyment of the shared misery?

Just curious as each time I pop into the story sub forum (usually don't stray from MP), I see a lot of posting like this. I know it isn't all "new players" who are just getting around to the game, either. It is a lot of long time forumites who are continually going at it.

Is it theraputic, in a way?

Modifié par Hammer6767, 17 août 2012 - 01:00 .

[F4H bandicoot]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I see a lot of posts of people complaining that they are totally done with the game and the whole series. I am not trolling or anything, but if you ARE done, why would you continue to post on the forum for a game you dislike? I am assuming it is the enjoyment of the shared misery?

Just curious as each time I pop into the story sub forum (usually don't stray from MP), I see a lot of posting like this. I know it isn't all "new players" who are just getting around to the game, either. It is a lot of long time forumites who are continually going at it.

Is it theraputic, in a way?

Because Mass Effect consists of more than 1 game..

Modifié par F4H bandicoot, 17 août 2012 - 01:03 .

[BluRay]

Peaple are too attached to this game,or other games.Life goes on man,and i don't understand why you hate so much mass effect now,of course of a stupid ending(that now,with EC is more than sodisfing).Remember all the epic moments that this series gave to us,not only just that coursed ending

[ZerebusPrime]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Is it theraputic, in a way?

It sure worked for me!

[The Spamming Troll]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I see a lot of posts of people complaining that they are totally done with the game and the whole series. I am not trolling or anything, but if you ARE done, why would you continue to post on the forum for a game you dislike? I am assuming it is the enjoyment of the shared misery?

Just curious as each time I pop into the story sub forum (usually don't stray from MP), I see a lot of posting like this. I know it isn't all "new players" who are just getting around to the game, either. It is a lot of long time forumites who are continually going at it.

Is it theraputic, in a way?

i dont even like ME2 and im still here.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 17 août 2012 - 01:05 .

[Memnon]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I see a lot of posts of people complaining that they are totally done with the game and the whole series. I am not trolling or anything, but if you ARE done, why would you continue to post on the forum for a game you dislike? I am assuming it is the enjoyment of the shared misery?

Just curious as each time I pop into the story sub forum (usually don't stray from MP), I see a lot of posting like this. I know it isn't all "new players" who are just getting around to the game, either. It is a lot of long time forumites who are continually going at it.

Is it theraputic, in a way?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a few reasons - for one, I always think back to FO3 and how terrible those endings were, and how they eventually released Broken Steel which completely altered them. Also, I am not some random hater, I've been a huge Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate in the late 90s. I love all of their games, so if someone like myself - who is probably one of the biggest BW apologists out there - can be so dissatisfied wtih the end of ME3, then I think that says something. My hope is that BW will take a serious azimuth-check on where they are. Whether or not we have any effect on that - or that those who hated the endings are even a majority - remains to be seen, but I'm going to keep their feet to the proverbial fire after what I feel is an insulting way to end a beloved franchise.

[PSUHammer]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

I see a lot of posts of people complaining that they are totally done with the game and the whole series. I am not trolling or anything, but if you ARE done, why would you continue to post on the forum for a game you dislike? I am assuming it is the enjoyment of the shared misery?

Just curious as each time I pop into the story sub forum (usually don't stray from MP), I see a lot of posting like this. I know it isn't all "new players" who are just getting around to the game, either. It is a lot of long time forumites who are continually going at it.

Is it theraputic, in a way?

Because Mass Effect consists of more than 1 game..

But you are posting in the ME3 forum?

[The Heretic of Time]

Stornskar wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a few reasons - for one, I always think back to FO3 and how terrible those endings were, and how they eventually released Broken Steel which completely altered them. Also, I am not some random hater, I've been a huge Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate in the late 90s. I love all of their games, so if someone like myself - who is probably one of the biggest BW apologists out there - can be so dissatisfied wtih the end of ME3, then I think that says something. My hope is that BW will take a serious azimuth-check on where they are. Whether or not we have any effect on that - or that those who hated the endings are even a majority - remains to be seen, but I'm going to keep their feet to the proverbial fire after what I feel is an insulting way to end a beloved franchise.

^

Basically what he said. I'm in exactly the same position as Stornskar.

Modifié par Heretic_Hanar, 17 août 2012 - 01:15 .

[PSUHammer]

Stornskar wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

I see a lot of posts of people complaining that they are totally done with the game and the whole series. I am not trolling or anything, but if you ARE done, why would you continue to post on the forum for a game you dislike? I am assuming it is the enjoyment of the shared misery?

Just curious as each time I pop into the story sub forum (usually don't stray from MP), I see a lot of posting like this. I know it isn't all "new players" who are just getting around to the game, either. It is a lot of long time forumites who are continually going at it.

Is it theraputic, in a way?

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a few reasons - for one, I always think back to FO3 and how terrible those endings were, and how they eventually released Broken Steel which completely altered them. Also, I am not some random hater, I've been a huge Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate in the late 90s. I love all of their games, so if someone like myself - who is probably one of the biggest BW apologists out there - can be so dissatisfied wtih the end of ME3, then I think that says something. My hope is that BW will take a serious azimuth-check on where they are. Whether or not we have any effect on that - or that those who hated the endings are even a majority - remains to be seen, but I'm going to keep their feet to the proverbial fire after what I feel is an insulting way to end a beloved franchise.

I get where you are coming from.  I do see some constructive criticism from long time fans and I think that is great.  I wasn't as dissatisfied with the endings as others.  Also, I tend not to care to the point of sticking around.  I always had the policy that if you have a bad experience at a store or restaurant, you just leave and take your cash/time somewhere else.

I understand positing an opinion of dissatisfaction, or even an emotional diatribe.  But, I am referencing the people who continue to post after months of proclaiming the same hate for the game (in a non constructive manner)...over and over.  Just not sure what they are hoping to accomplish as I would tune them out if I was Bioware.

[Banul]

excellent recount, chap.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I live here.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 17 août 2012 - 01:26 .

[The Heretic of Time]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I get where you are coming from.  I do see some constructive criticism from long time fans and I think that is great.  I wasn't as dissatisfied with the endings as others.  Also, I tend not to care to the point of sticking around.  I always had the policy that if you have a bad experience at a store or restaurant, you just leave and take your cash/time somewhere else.

I understand positing an opinion of dissatisfaction, or even an emotional diatribe.  But, I am referencing the people who continue to post after months of proclaiming the same hate for the game (in a non constructive manner)...over and over.  Just not sure what they are hoping to accomplish as I would tune them out if I was Bioware.

The thing is, that I used to be a big BioWare fan, but recent events really kept dissapointing me over and over again. Not only ME3, but DA2 also.


I could just move on, sure. But that way BioWare will never learn from their mistakes and continue to make crap games. Wouldn't it be much better if I stay and voice my displeasure and give criticism, in the hope that BioWare will read it and do something with it?

Yes, if a restaurant is crap I could go to another restaurant, but don't you think the crappy restaurant would rather see me stay? They can make me stay, if they do something about their crappy food.


I know BioWare is capable of making great games. I loved KOTOR, I loved DA:O and I loved ME1 and ME2 (before ME3). So I really hope BioWares eyes will be opened and return to their former glory.

[Ithurael]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Hammer6767 wrote...

I get where you are coming from.  I do see some constructive criticism from long time fans and I think that is great.  I wasn't as dissatisfied with the endings as others.  Also, I tend not to care to the point of sticking around.  I always had the policy that if you have a bad experience at a store or restaurant, you just leave and take your cash/time somewhere else.

I understand positing an opinion of dissatisfaction, or even an emotional diatribe.  But, I am referencing the people who continue to post after months of proclaiming the same hate for the game (in a non constructive manner)...over and over.  Just not sure what they are hoping to accomplish as I would tune them out if I was Bioware.

The thing is, that I used to be a big BioWare fan, but recent events really kept dissapointing me over and over again. Not only ME3, but DA2 also.


I could just move on, sure. But that way BioWare will never learn from their mistakes and continue to make crap games. Wouldn't it be much better if I stay and voice my displeasure and give criticism, in the hope that BioWare will read it and do something with it?

Yes, if a restaurant is crap I could go to another restaurant, but don't you think the crappy restaurant would rather see me stay? They can make me stay, if they do something about their crappy food.


I know BioWare is capable of making great games. I loved KOTOR, I loved DA:O and I loved ME1 and ME2 (before ME3). So I really hope BioWares eyes will be opened and return to their former glory.

Also note, the restaurant does not charge you 60-80 dollars per meal per person and then add in pre-meal dlc that you pay more for before you even order your meal.

I am dissappointed with where BIoware went  with ME3 - the game was great until the end and the radical thematic and narrative shift that starkid presented. but that is how it is gonna be. Hudson and Walters won't change anything because they believe that at least 50% of the fanbase accepts the ending (I am trying to keep that number conservative as I cannot gauge their ego).

But as for adding feedback & criticism - on the same game - all the time. Bioware will not take it in and improve ME3 - it is over. The best you can hope for  I suppose is that they make an amazing DA3 or a really really good Mass Effect Prequel. (No way they would continue after ME3 - the variables and permutations would be too great and I don't think they want to invalidate andy of the endings)

[Baronesa]

Stornskar wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a few reasons - for one, I always think back to FO3 and how terrible those endings were, and how they eventually released Broken Steel which completely altered them. Also, I am not some random hater, I've been a huge Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate in the late 90s. I love all of their games, so if someone like myself - who is probably one of the biggest BW apologists out there - can be so dissatisfied wtih the end of ME3, then I think that says something. My hope is that BW will take a serious azimuth-check on where they are. Whether or not we have any effect on that - or that those who hated the endings are even a majority - remains to be seen, but I'm going to keep their feet to the proverbial fire after what I feel is an insulting way to end a beloved franchise.

^

This.

I rarely came to the old forums, just to check bugs and mods for NWN... but it was all the ME3 debacle that made me post more consistently.

[The Heretic of Time]

I'm not under the illusion that this mess we call ME3 will ever be fixed, but I do hope BioWare will learn from their mistakes for their next projects.

[PSUHammer]

Ithurael wrote...

Also note, the restaurant does not charge you 60-80 dollars per meal per person and then add in pre-meal dlc that you pay more for before you even order your meal.

I understand the point you are trying to make but your example doesn't make a lot of sense, economically.  I pay $20-$25 for a good meal (double with the wife in attendance) at a nice local restaurant and it lasts 2 hours, tops, if you are having some drinks and conversation. 

An ME game will give you roughly 40 hours of enjoyment, not counting replays and MP.  So, your dollar to "entertainment value by the hour" equation is skewed highly in favor of the game price.  Plus, all the free DLC would cancel out that one you paid for?

[Mylia Stenetch]

Stornskar wrote...
I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a few reasons - for one, I always think back to FO3 and how terrible those endings were, and how they eventually released Broken Steel which completely altered them.

I would like to comment on that, since people bring it up all the time it seems. Thier change they did was about as much as EC did for ME3. The only huge difference is you can play the other DLC you bought after you completed the game. Which was the big reason why people were complain if I recall correctly. Also to follow the lines of Broken Steel, they did sell that at the time for $10 dollars.

Unfortunatley Bioware was in a bind, since they could not charge for EC cause people would think they are gouging them making them pay of the ending, like Fallout 3 did in a sense. So they had to do it for free, which means you are not going to get the massive change you really want.

[WindfishDude]

Horrible endings aside, I agree with OP on the lack of satifsfying conclusion in ME3 is what breaks the trilogy.

I'm in no hurry to replay the trilogy, and that is because of ME3.

I can easily relate to the apathy of the whole thing. What's the point of it all? Why spend so much times setting up elaborate choices if it all was going to be quickly written off.

My friend tells me that it might be franchise fatique from Bioware, why they rushed ME3 and cut so many corners. In every other game, I could see that as an excuse.
But Mass Effect was meant as a trilogy from the beginning. Not even Star Wars had that kind of head start with the planning. It was always supposed to be a trilogy of choice and conseqeunce.

That's what pisses me off the most. The 3rd game didn't come out of nowhere, they always knew it was going to happen. Yet, it feels like took everybody by surprise, and the general feel of ME3 is 'lets just get this over with'

[Guy117]

It's unfortunate that so many people no longer enjoy the ME series. You have your reasonable...reasons I suppose but for me I have always loved everything in the ME series and I don't think anything can make me disapprove of the series. Hopefully Bioware will be able to regain your interest in the ME series in the future.

[JeffZero]

I think, despite the fact that I love ME3, that the amount of fan backlash over this whole ordeal solidifies my belief that future Mass Effect installments ought to be self-contained with choices impacting endgame and absolutely not needing to be sent forth in a big way in following titles. Basically what Dragon Age is doing (what Origins did, in any case...) with save file uploads for "syncing" but nothing monumental.

The developers have alluded to the extreme difficulties of this process a plethora of times, and you know what? They're probably right. It's tough as nails, and it shows in ME2 and ME3. Could some of us have done a better job? Hell, I'm not gonna answer that straight-up. I don't know what they've gone through to a tee like some of the fans seem to think they do. But maybe. Probably.

But I recognize the myriad hardships involved in doing a trilogy like this. It's a shame, but I don't think the medium is ready as yet. Or maybe it is and they just aren't the right people for it, but this level of backlash is likely giving other developers with similar goals the willies.

Keep things synced but don't have hundreds upon hundreds of variables going from one file to the next, with the same lead and so forth, if avoidable. At least not for a few more years. Again, I love ME3, but there's no ignoring some of its shortcomings with regard to choice impact. I never went into the game expecting BioWare to do much better than they did -- only a few things really grind my gears, like Morinth's near-complete disregard and Miranda's out-of-character plot arc. I didn't expect much more than what we got, I really didn't. But many of you did -- and believe you completely deserved it at that, and I feel for you, maybe even agree with you somewhat, and it's obvious BioWare isn't ready for this stuff.

Give it time. Maybe the fan-adored CD Projekt can do it eventually. For now, I really hope a potential ME4 is a big-scope, high-impact hit with a self-contained story that peaks naturally and doesn't need to hold off on that peak for the next game, and the next game after that.

Modifié par JeffZero, 17 août 2012 - 01:46 .

[JeffZero]

Guy117 wrote...

It's unfortunate that so many people no longer enjoy the ME series. You have your reasonable...reasons I suppose but for me I have always loved everything in the ME series and I don't think anything can make me disapprove of the series. Hopefully Bioware will be able to regain your interest in the ME series in the future.

Indeed. We can only hope the reasonable ME3-haters can eventually be won over with future games. For now, we can simply continue to enjoy the series ourselves, I guess.

[Guy117]

I couldn't agree more.

[3DandBeyond]

Ravensword wrote...

On the other hand, MP in ME3 is pretty good.

Define pretty good.  MP seems to routinely kick someone out of the game and often when it does it dumps everyone.  And it tends to take away all temporary upgrades that I spend credits on, so I'm basically trying not to use too many of them at all.

And then it's wonderful when I start a level 1 class, choose a bronze level mission, and get thrown into silver and gold games right in the middle of a large horde with all the other teammates dead.  I was lucky one time that the weren't all fully dead and I managed to run and revive 2 of them.  But generally I am instantly surrounded and die and because I have such a low class I have very little chance or not enough medigel and I die and any temporary upgrade I had is again gone.

And then there are those that refuse to help complete missions as if being at the top of the leaderboard means anything.  On top of that are people that seem able to shoot a sniper rifle and kill multiple foes at once.  In most games I tend to have at least double what the second place person has (bronze level), but it's really cool when someone at level 1 of a class comes in with a sniper rifle and ends up with like 90K plus score with 25 headshots, 25 sniper rifle kills, and 75 kills.  And this person never helps with one mission. Or the times when they refuse to get to the evacuation area and it screws up one of the challenges.  So much fun here.

And that's not even mentioning the other various glitches.

It gets old really fast.

[JeffZero]

I've never been interested in online shooter stuff. I enjoy ME3's MP for a few hours a week, which is decent I guess, but it's way too damn repetitive for me to fully understand how folks can smash dozens of hours a week into it. /shrug Oh well, nothing wrong with diversity of opinion.

[BiO]

JeffZero wrote...

I've never been interested in online shooter stuff. I enjoy ME3's MP for a few hours a week, which is decent I guess, but it's way too damn repetitive for me to fully understand how folks can smash dozens of hours a week into it. /shrug Oh well, nothing wrong with diversity of opinion.

As a regular ME3 MP player (even though I've neglected it recently, due to replaying Fallout New Vegas), the things that keep me playing is the satisfaction of beating Gold/Platinum with good teammates that work together, and the gambling aspect of doing one more round to buy another PSP pack