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[JeffZero]

Hey, thanks for the explanation. That does sound entertaining.

[3DandBeyond]

JeffZero wrote...

Guy117 wrote...

It's unfortunate that so many people no longer enjoy the ME series. You have your reasonable...reasons I suppose but for me I have always loved everything in the ME series and I don't think anything can make me disapprove of the series. Hopefully Bioware will be able to regain your interest in the ME series in the future.

Indeed. We can only hope the reasonable ME3-haters can eventually be won over with future games. For now, we can simply continue to enjoy the series ourselves, I guess.

What you have to understand and it seems you do, is that most that dislike ME now look at it kind of like you might look at someone you love that has disappointed you or done you wrong.  Now, ME isn't real life but as a part of entertainment and a story and game many of us felt like we'd waited forever to get, it is a bit like real life.  I've played way too many games over around 30 years now.  And ME was the game I felt I'd always wanted to play.  I played EA games from way back when EA created much more than just games for computers.  EA created Deluxe Paint for the Amiga and it was the first of its kind, an amazing program.  I played games on a very early computer you hooked up to your TV-some games were on cassette tape and some were on cartridges and 8k was a lot of memory. 

Early games started to talk about creating an experience like being in a movie where you are actually playing the movie.  I played Elite, Privateer, X Wing, Wing Commander, Space Quest, King's Quest, the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, A Mind Forever Voyaging, For I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream, Another World, and every game I could get my hands on.

ME was the first game where my choices mattered-even though it was an illusion of choice and you really had "3" choices all along.  What you decided though seemed to close or open up things that came later.  I loved this series and ME3's warts didn't matter, until I got to the end.  I then wondered how we got this and Tuchanka and Rannoch in the same game.  There were things I didn't like in the beginning and along the way (I never liked the kid), but it didn't matter that much until the ending.  I don't have an end to ME3. 

I so much want to really love ME again.  If the roles were reversed and all we got was a super happy unrealistic ending and others were complaining there was no darker consequences or hard choices, I'd think that wasn't right as well.  The game should more fully reflect all play styles and the type of players that played ME in the first place.  If it did that, it would have endings that sort of suit everybody.  This was foreseeable.

[JeffZero]

3Dandbeyond,

On my phone now while taking the bus home, so I'll give your reply the attention it deserves later, either directly or in passing. But I understand, and it's clear you have a rich tapestry of gaming experience to draw from and grow from as well. I'm sorry you feel this way.

[3DandBeyond]

Hammer6767 wrote...

I get where you are coming from.  I do see some constructive criticism from long time fans and I think that is great.  I wasn't as dissatisfied with the endings as others.  Also, I tend not to care to the point of sticking around.  I always had the policy that if you have a bad experience at a store or restaurant, you just leave and take your cash/time somewhere else.

I understand positing an opinion of dissatisfaction, or even an emotional diatribe.  But, I am referencing the people who continue to post after months of proclaiming the same hate for the game (in a non constructive manner)...over and over.  Just not sure what they are hoping to accomplish as I would tune them out if I was Bioware.

Well, it depends on how you view constructive or non-constructive.  If someone just posts that they hate BW and ME, then no that's not constructive.  But if someone posts reasons and explanations and then also even says they hate BW and ME, that's not really not constructive.  It may be hard to get past it when they say they hate BW and ME, but they are giving reasons.  Not everyone is eloquent or speaks and writes English well, so often all they may be able to say is a few words that hit you wrong.  I think this is though partly due to how badly this whole situation was handled from the start.

BW should have known and even indicated they did know there could be explosive emotions over ME3.  They proclaimed it was the end of Shepard's story and people would be upset, but furthermore they also started to say the galaxy woiuld be destroyed as well.  This alone should have told them to pay attention.  They hyped the ending and made a lot of declarations about what it would and wouldn't be.  When they created the original endings, they should have been aware they were not what they had set people up to expect-not what they promised.  They released the game and then let it speak for itself.  People complained, they ignored.  And when some people acted irrationally and did things they should not have done, BW acted like anyone complaining should be lumped into one irrational group.  They ignored anyone that did not agree with them.  They created a thread that said they were listening, but then didn't seem to.  They let IGN call fans names.  They helped a toxic climate to exist and they let people here routinely insult each other, when the thing is we are all one group, we are registered owners and fans.  We happen to disagree and even not always that much.

I've been called a hater because I dislike the endings and what BW did to my favorite games.  And often the person doing that will add on the thought that they don't like the endings all that much either, but they've moved on.  How can you make sense of that?

ME3 is the last game in a trilogy that focused on Shepard's POV and life in the galaxy.  If the ending ruins ME3, it also ruins ME1 and 2, because you were working to get to the fight with the reapers.  But it also ruins ME books, graphic novels, and all the other fan-based purchases people made with the ME logo on them.  A lot of people even bought new consoles or PCs in anticipaton of ME3 and spent countless hours getting a bunch of different Shepards ready for all the different types of endings they might want to try and get.  But they got basically 3 (or 4) ending types with some minor variations within each.  And BW promised to listen and promised at some point they'd discuss all this-they have yet to do that.  People still do hold out some hope that they will and that they'll fix this and then make more ME games or ME type games that they would gladly spend their money on.

[3DandBeyond]

JeffZero wrote...

3Dandbeyond,

On my phone now while taking the bus home, so I'll give your reply the attention it deserves later, either directly or in passing. But I understand, and it's clear you have a rich tapestry of gaming experience to draw from and grow from as well. I'm sorry you feel this way.

Thanks and appreciate good dialogue about it all.

[PSUHammer]

3Dandbeyond,

I understand, totally. I get the criticism you laid out even if it doesn't bother me, personally, as much. I also think it is fine to dislike the games and/or company because your emotional attachment to the series is blown.

I just think that some of the redundant complaining of the same issues that were already discussed months ago is getting old. It's time for people to move on and allow for some other discussion to happen in that forum. Seems like every thread that gets created devolves into the same people making snarky comments about their displeasure of the game.

Regardless of your emotional involvement with the game, it is still just that...a game. Anyway...that's just this person's opinion.

Modifié par Hammer6767, 17 août 2012 - 02:53 .

[PSUHammer]

By the way, using an iPhone and typing in this forum do not mix.

[Memnon]

Hammer6767 wrote...

Stornskar wrote...

I can't speak for anyone else, but I have a few reasons - for one, I always think back to FO3 and how terrible those endings were, and how they eventually released Broken Steel which completely altered them. Also, I am not some random hater, I've been a huge Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate in the late 90s. I love all of their games, so if someone like myself - who is probably one of the biggest BW apologists out there - can be so dissatisfied wtih the end of ME3, then I think that says something. My hope is that BW will take a serious azimuth-check on where they are. Whether or not we have any effect on that - or that those who hated the endings are even a majority - remains to be seen, but I'm going to keep their feet to the proverbial fire after what I feel is an insulting way to end a beloved franchise.

I get where you are coming from.  I do see some constructive criticism from long time fans and I think that is great.  I wasn't as dissatisfied with the endings as others.  Also, I tend not to care to the point of sticking around.  I always had the policy that if you have a bad experience at a store or restaurant, you just leave and take your cash/time somewhere else.

I understand positing an opinion of dissatisfaction, or even an emotional diatribe.  But, I am referencing the people who continue to post after months of proclaiming the same hate for the game (in a non constructive manner)...over and over.  Just not sure what they are hoping to accomplish as I would tune them out if I was Bioware.

For any  other game, I would agree - but as I've mentioned in other threads, Mass Effect was not just a game for many, including myself. I've been gaming since the Atari 2600, so 35+ years, and Mass Effect is easily one of my favorite games ever. It's kind of like how Star Wars was not just a movie. If I didn't have such an enormous investment in the franchise, then I wouldn't care if it ended poorly and would be able to walk away. In a sense, it's ironic, because I would imagine that this level of passion is what game companies would want from their customers - but it can obviously be a double-edged omniblade when those passionate fans are dissatisfied

[Buddy McFlurry]

I know that feel...
I lost interest in Star Wars when they released the Kinect version. And I was a huge SW fan. But now I can't look at it the same way as I did before.
I hope that Mass Effect universe won't have the same fate and it'll be a lot more serious than Star Wars.

[AlanC9]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yesterday I wanted to start a new game in ME1. I played it for 2 hours and lost all excitement. I kept thinking about how everything I do in ME1 would be reduced to plain numbers (e.g. War Assets). It felt redundant. I just didn't enjoy it anymore.

Did people feel this way about BG1 after learning that BG2 didn't respect any of their choices?

[eye basher]

A this guy thinks we care that he doesn't.

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

Yesterday I wanted to start a new game in ME1. I played it for 2 hours and lost all excitement. I kept thinking about how everything I do in ME1 would be reduced to plain numbers (e.g. War Assets). It felt redundant. I just didn't enjoy it anymore.

Did people feel this way about BG1 after learning that BG2 didn't respect any of their choices?

No. People still love BG1. And BG2.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 août 2012 - 03:35 .

[loungeshep]

Yeah I get that way to. But not for those reasons, I just get bored with video games and take a break for a while.

[xsdob]

I was losing interest in ME1 after the first two hours before is was the cool thing to do.

Mainly because of the utter repetitiveness of the missions, land on a supper mountainous planet, use crappy vehicle to drive, fall down cliff faces, die in three shots from those stupid colossus's, find a base full of enemies, done. Rinse, repeat, break up monotony with a ship full of enemies this time...yay.

Honestly the only reason I think the fetch quest in ME3 are better than those missions in ME1 is because of how short it took to do, and that's not exactly a reason to celebrate them.

[BatmanPWNS]

Agreed. I can't believe I wasted time thinking about the final choices in me1/2 when they didn'r matter at all.

[Mylia Stenetch]

BatmanPWNS wrote...

Agreed. I can't believe I wasted time thinking about the final choices in me1/2 when they didn'r matter at all.

On a mechanical level they did, due to giving you slight alterations, or before giving your an absolute **** ending to a least minor annoyance. It was not what you and I wanted to see, we wanted to see hard evidence of choice matters, but it was still shown underneath.

In the long gist of it, nothing matters in which we do in a game, since the developers could scrap everything you decided to do in a previous game and take it another direction, etc. I am more annoyed that some of the options I chose in TW did not have make any difference in TW2, while I am not too far into it. I have seen so far nothing to say what I did in the previous game.

[Samtheman63]

people must have some kind of mental illness if you can't just put the ending to a video game to the back of your mind for a few hours whilst you enjoy the previous 2 releases.

[Baa Baa]

xsdob wrote...

I was losing interest in ME1 after the first two hours before is was the cool thing to do.

Mainly because of the utter repetitiveness of the missions, land on a supper mountainous planet, use crappy vehicle to drive, fall down cliff faces, die in three shots from those stupid colossus's, find a base full of enemies, done. Rinse, repeat, break up monotony with a ship full of enemies this time...yay.

Honestly the only reason I think the fetch quest in ME3 are better than those missions in ME1 is because of how short it took to do, and that's not exactly a reason to celebrate them.

That's cool?

[xsdob]

Baa Baa wrote...

xsdob wrote...

I was losing interest in ME1 after the first two hours before is was the cool thing to do.

Mainly because of the utter repetitiveness of the missions, land on a supper mountainous planet, use crappy vehicle to drive, fall down cliff faces, die in three shots from those stupid colossus's, find a base full of enemies, done. Rinse, repeat, break up monotony with a ship full of enemies this time...yay.

Honestly the only reason I think the fetch quest in ME3 are better than those missions in ME1 is because of how short it took to do, and that's not exactly a reason to celebrate them.

That's cool?

Seems to be, also it was a joke on hipsters and the old saying "I was [insert reference here] before it was cool"

Didn't think I'd need to explain that one.

[ShepnTali]

Samtheman63 wrote...

people must have some kind of mental illness if you can't just put the ending to a video game to the back of your mind for a few hours whilst you enjoy the previous 2 releases.

It just shows what a great series it is, and how rabid the fanbase is. They took a unnecessary risk and it flopped. 

[AlanC9]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Did people feel this way about BG1 after learning that BG2 didn't respect any of their choices?

No. People still love BG1. And BG2.

Right. So people love a game with no actual plot choices that matter, and love the sequel that resurrected all the dead NPCs (only to kill some offscreen in different ways) and told you who your default party from the previous game was despite that your character might have hated or even killed the characters who are now his friends. And that also has almost no significant choices.

I'm just trying to figure out the standards here. At least the RPGCodex guys are consistent -- they've always hated Bio's style.

Modifié par AlanC9, 17 août 2012 - 04:07 .

[Grogimus]

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm not under the illusion that this mess we call ME3 will ever be fixed, but I do hope BioWare will learn from their mistakes for their next projects.

I think we can safely assume that Bioware gets it.  You don't approve.  How many friggin' threads like this do you have to make to let Bioware know?!  Now, I usually just let threads like this pass by without comment....they are mostly the same after all, and by roughly the same people over and over.  But this comment....trying to make yourself seem altruistic by making this thread 'in the hope BioWare will learn from the mistakes' is pure rubbish.  It's disingenuous at best. 

[SpamBot2000]

AlanC9 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Did people feel this way about BG1 after learning that BG2 didn't respect any of their choices?

No. People still love BG1. And BG2.

Right. So people love a game with no actual plot choices that matter, and love the sequel that resurrected all the dead NPCs (only to kill some offscreen in different ways) and told you who your default party from the previous game was despite that your character might have hated or even killed the characters who are now his friends. And that also has almost no significant choices.

Funny how not advertising falsely makes a difference that way.

[dorktainian]

www.gametrailers.com/side-mission/26199/players-want-day-one-dlc-according-to-bioware

deluded....  utterly deluded.. 

[SpamBot2000]

Grogimus wrote...

Heretic_Hanar wrote...

I'm not under the illusion that this mess we call ME3 will ever be fixed, but I do hope BioWare will learn from their mistakes for their next projects.

I think we can safely assume that Bioware gets it.  You don't approve.  How many friggin' threads like this do you have to make to let Bioware know?!  Now, I usually just let threads like this pass by without comment....they are mostly the same after all, and by roughly the same people over and over.  But this comment....trying to make yourself seem altruistic by making this thread 'in the hope BioWare will learn from the mistakes' is pure rubbish.  It's disingenuous at best. 

Why should we assume BioWare gets it? Are you BioWare?