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[Conniving_Eagle]

I can't bring myself to read this guy's writing again. What's his thesis in this new article?

[SNascimento]

Wow, that is exactly how I felt when I finished ME3 for the first time, but I could not put into words.
.
Everyone should read it.

[D24O]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Deja Vu?

Hulk is a fool.

 

[Bill Casey]

The Angry One wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

It's also sparked a lot of thinking about whether Shepard was indoctrinated, whether utopia justify the means, how much power one being should have, the nature of the godzilla threshold, the sliding scale of unavoidable
vs. unforgivable, and the value of intangible concepts in the face of armageddon...

IT was invented out of denial that these terrible endings were real, and still acts as a crutch for those who refuse to accept it. Anything else is mental gymnastics in an attempt to salvage logic out of the profoundly stupid, illogical, badly written, obnoxious and repulsive ending that is ME3's.

IT was around before Mass Effect 3 was...
Ever since Arrival...

I thought Shepard was fighting indoctrination as I was playing it...
Come on, you're better than this...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 17 août 2012 - 06:16 .

[essarr71]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I can't bring myself to read this guy's writing again. What's his thesis in this new article?

This sums it up pretty well...  If the plane crashes at the end, at least.

Modifié par essarr71, 17 août 2012 - 06:16 .

[The Angry One]

Bill Casey wrote...

IT was around before Mass Effect 3 was...
Ever since Arrival...

I thought Shepard was fighting indoctrination as I was playing it...
Come on, you're better than this...

The idea of indoctrination being applied to Shepard has been around since the end of ME1.
IT itself was a full blown response to attempt to deny the endings due to their wretchedness and you know it was.

[AresKeith]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I can't bring myself to read this guy's writing again. What's his thesis in this new article?

maybe its really the Grey Hulk

[Bill Casey]

The Angry One wrote...

Bill Casey wrote...

IT was around before Mass Effect 3 was...
Ever since Arrival...

I thought Shepard was fighting indoctrination as I was playing it...
Come on, you're better than this...

The idea of indoctrination being applied to Shepard has been around since the end of ME1.
IT itself was a full blown response to attempt to deny the endings due to their wretchedness and you know it was.

No, it was not...
It's blatantly apparent...

Modifié par Bill Casey, 17 août 2012 - 06:20 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

AresKeith wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I can't bring myself to read this guy's writing again. What's his thesis in this new article?

maybe its really the Grey Hulk

I LOL'D.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I CAN'T BRING MYSELF TO READ THIS GUY'S WRITING AGAIN. WHAT'S HIS THESIS IN THIS NEW ARTICLE?

FIXED. MUCH BETTER NOW.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I can't bring myself to read this guy's writing again. What's his thesis in this new article?

Essentially  "I'm sorry I came of as combative in my defense of ME3, I could have formed my statement better and I shouldn't have told people who didn't like it to f*ck off, but I stand my orignal statement that I liked the ending because etc."

This part made me chuckle a bit:

"12. ON IRONY...

SO AT THIS POINT THERE ARE THOSE OF YOU WHO WILL NOTE THE IRONY OF HULK WRITING ANOTHER ARTICLE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE LAST ARTICLE IS ACHINGLY SIMILAR TO HOW BIOWARE RELEASED THE EXTENDING ENDINGS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FROM THE EARLIER ENDINGS. HULK UNDERSTANDS THE DESIRE TO MAKE THE COMPARISON, BUT A GAME OR A PIECE OF ART IS INHERENTLYDIFFERENT THAN A COLUMN OF THIS NATURE. FOR ONE, HULK'S COLUMNS ARE 100% PREDICATED ON THE NATURE OF AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AND TWO, HULK WOULD NEVER DO THAT WITH AN ARTISTIC PIECE OF STORYTELLING IF HULK WAS CONFIDENT IN IT. THE FINAL PIECE WOULD BE THE FINAL PIECE.

STILL, ASIDE FROM HULK'S MISGIVINGS ABOUT HULK'S ANGER AND THE WAY THAT HULK WENT ABOUT THE COLUMN, HULK WANTED TO TAKE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTATE THAT HULK STANDS BY THE IDEAS IN THE ORIGINAL COLUMN. SO:"

Like comparing video games to art flims Mr. Hulk?

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 17 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[The Angry One]

Bill Casey wrote...

No, it was not...
It's blatantly apparent...

Is this going to be another blueprotoss style "THE SIGNS WERE ALWAYS THERE!" tin foil hat debate?
If so do yourself a favour and stop now, I have no interest in arguing fairytales.

IT, in it's current form, was manuifactured specifically to deny the endings, using the existing thoughts on indoctrination to back it up. End of debate.

[Bill Casey]

Bull****...

[Conniving_Eagle]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I can't bring myself to read this guy's writing again. What's his thesis in this new article?

Essentially  "I'm sorry I came of as combative in my defense of ME3, I could have formed my statement better and I shouldn't have told people who didn't like it to f*ck off, but I stand my orignal statement that I liked the ending because etc."

This part made me chuckle a bit:

"12. ON IRONY...

SO AT THIS POINT THERE ARE THOSE OF YOU WHO WILL NOTE THE IRONY OF HULK WRITING ANOTHER ARTICLE TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE LAST ARTICLE IS ACHINGLY SIMILAR TO HOW BIOWARE RELEASED THE EXTENDING ENDINGS TO ADDRESS THE CONCERNS FROM THE EARLIER ENDINGS. HULK UNDERSTANDS THE DESIRE TO MAKE THE COMPARISON, BUT A GAME OR A PIECE OF ART IS INHERENTLYDIFFERENT THAN A COLUMN OF THIS NATURE. FOR ONE, HULK'S COLUMNS ARE 100% PREDICATED ON THE NATURE OF AN ONGOING CONVERSATION AND TWO, HULK WOULD NEVER DO THAT WITH AN ARTISTIC PIECE OF STORYTELLING IF HULK WAS CONFIDENT IN IT. THE FINAL PIECE WOULD BE THE FINAL PIECE.

STILL, ASIDE FROM HULK'S MISGIVINGS ABOUT HULK'S ANGER AND THE WAY THAT HULK WENT ABOUT THE COLUMN, HULK WANTED TO TAKE THIS AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO RESTATE THAT HULK STANDS BY THE IDEAS IN THE ORIGINAL COLUMN. SO:"

Like comparing video games to art flims Mr. Hulk?

OKAY, THANKS FOR THAT GREYLYCANTROPE. YOU HELPED OUT CONNIVING EAGLE. THANKS TO YOU, CONNIVING EAGLE WON'T HAVE TO GO AND READ HULK'S HEADACHE WRITING. CONNIVING EAGLE WILL REMEMBER GREYLYCANTROPE, WILL GIVE HIM VANILLA COOKIE ON HALLOWEEN.

[GreyLycanTrope]

Halloween cookies, excellent, everything is unfolding as I have foreseen.

[Ithurael]

Bill Casey wrote...


IT was around before Mass Effect 3 was...
Ever since Arrival...

I thought Shepard was fighting indoctrination as I was playing it...
Come on, you're better than this...

What if you never played Arrival?

[Wayning_Star]

HULK NO TROLL, HULK ONLY LURKER, DON'T MAKE HULK LURKER MAD,HE WILL SMASH PUNY EARTH DREAMING END FINDING OUTERSPACE FLYING HUMANISTIC IDEALS FOR RECS ON YAHOO!!

and other stuff... I didn't have any problems deciding what the ending was in the ME trilogy. Sooo?

chill out lurkylurkinghulk.. thanks..


Edit: Bruce's not here maaaan...

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 17 août 2012 - 06:43 .

[CaptainZaysh]

Nyoka wrote...

What that implies is that those people haven't thought about what happened to the characters they supposedly care about.

You care about Garrus, you'd be a bit concerned about his not seeing his home and family ever again and dying from terran food sickness.

Actually, I thought a great deal about it.  I thought it was likely to be a poignant and sad end for both he and Tali, unless they found a way to get off the jungle planet (or unless it were a dextro world!).  I also thought it was appropriate that I the player didn't get to see how it ended, and whether the pair rose to the challenge of surviving without Shepard.

Honestly, after the ending I thought the BSN would be awash with conversation about the possibilities.  What would their stories be like if they figured out a way to survive?  Or what would their lives be like if they knew the time they had together could be measured by the amount of dextro rations in the cargo hold?  I expected to see an amazing and beautiful piece of fan fiction about them sharing that dextro chocolate.

But hey, obviously I don't really care about the characters.

Nyoka wrote...
Same applies to the thousands of people from every corner of the galaxy you brought to the earth, a death trap for all of them. You're okay with that, I'm going to think you didn't really care all that much.

Wrong, actually.  The plight of the stranded dextro fleet made inspired me to research food cloning, quarian liveship capabilities, non-relay FTL travel and the percentage of garden worlds that could reasonably be expected to turn out dextro.  I thought it was awesome that the writers had ended the series in a way that made me fascinated about the universe and excited to find out what would be awaiting us in the stars when we finally got back out there - just like we the audience were at the beginning of Mass 1.

Modifié par CaptainZaysh, 17 août 2012 - 06:37 .

[D24O]

Flog61 wrote...

This post was never here. No seriously, it wasn't. U craezi

Proves IT.

[ld1449]

By his own admission he didn't even play ME1 or ME2. Sorry, but I can't take the opinion of a person who's already admitted he's ignorant of what the **** he's talking about, seriously.

Sure ME3's themes pretty much support the endings. Its the two installments before Mac Walters got into the picture that show ME3 railroaded everything Drew set up to hell.

[BaladasDemnevanni]

ld1449 wrote...

By his own admission he didn't even play ME1 or ME2. Sorry, but I can't take the opinion of a person who's already admitted he's ignorant of what the **** he's talking about, seriously.

Sure ME3's themes pretty much support the endings. Its the two installments before Mac Walters got into the picture that show ME3 railroaded everything Drew set up to hell.

I couldn't get through reading the all caps article, but does he actually admit to having avoided ME1 or ME2?

[The Angry One]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Wrong, actually.  The plight of the stranded dextro fleet made inspired me to research food cloning, quarian liveship capabilities, non-relay FTL travel and the percentage of garden worlds that could reasonably be expected to turn out dextro.  I thought it was awesome that the writers had ended the series in a way that made me fascinated about the universe and excited to find out what would be awaiting us in the stars when we finally got back out there - just like we the audience were at the beginning of Mass 1.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Oh my god.
So you're saying the original Gainax ending inspired you to find out just exactly how Garrus would starve to death.
Yeah, that's brilliant. "Thank you writers for giving me the opporunity to research how my beloved characters will die."

Setting aside the fact that the characters themselves are ignored, and you're not thinking of the characters themselves but rather the concepts of post-apocalyptic life.

Thank you for proving that you didn't give a damn about the characters.

Edit: Though I must admit ever since the EC I haven't had the chance to laugh at a good old "The endings allow infinite possibilities for headcanon!" argument. It's good to see the old fallacies pop up from time to time, makes me all nostalgic.
Now we just need you to argue that the relays should be destroyed. Oh please argue this. Please please.

Modifié par The Angry One, 17 août 2012 - 06:46 .

[Wayning_Star]

ld1449 wrote...

By his own admission he didn't even play ME1 or ME2. Sorry, but I can't take the opinion of a person who's already admitted he's ignorant of what the **** he's talking about, seriously.

Sure ME3's themes pretty much support the endings. Its the two installments before Mac Walters got into the picture that show ME3 railroaded everything Drew set up to hell.

He's just jumping on the 'knock ME' band wagon for hit counts on their site. Heck, I even read reviews on forbs magazine about how the game was this'n that. The internet is fastly becoming similar to the birds flight on that movie take shelter...and as enigmatic.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 17 août 2012 - 06:48 .