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[Wayning_Star]

The Angry One wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Wrong, actually.  The plight of the stranded dextro fleet made inspired me to research food cloning, quarian liveship capabilities, non-relay FTL travel and the percentage of garden worlds that could reasonably be expected to turn out dextro.  I thought it was awesome that the writers had ended the series in a way that made me fascinated about the universe and excited to find out what would be awaiting us in the stars when we finally got back out there - just like we the audience were at the beginning of Mass 1.

HAHAHAHAHA.

Oh my god.
So you're saying the original Gainax ending inspired you to find out just exactly how Garrus would starve to death.
Yeah, that's brilliant. "Thank you writers for giving me the opporunity to research how my beloved characters will die."

Setting aside the fact that the characters themselves are ignored, and you're not thinking of the characters themselves but rather the concepts of post-apocalyptic life.

Thank you for proving that you didn't give a damn about the characters.

Edit: Though I must admit ever since the EC I haven't had the chance to laugh at a good old "The endings allow infinite possibilities for headcanon!" argument. It's good to see the old fallacies pop up from time to time, makes me all nostalgic.
Now we just need you to argue that the relays should be destroyed. Oh please argue this. Please please.

better batten down your hatches captain Z, you've awoken Leviathan in real time now..  Attrition, the new epic.

[CaptainZaysh]

The Angry One wrote...

HAHAHAHAHA.

Oh my god.
So you're saying the original Gainax ending inspired you to find out just exactly how Garrus would starve to death.

No; that's not at all what I said, is it?

[essarr71]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

What that implies is that those people haven't thought about what happened to the characters they supposedly care about.

You care about Garrus, you'd be a bit concerned about his not seeing his home and family ever again and dying from terran food sickness.

Actually, I thought a great deal about it.  I thought it was likely to be a poignant and sad end for both he and Tali, unless they found a way to get off the jungle planet (or unless it were a dextro world!).  I also thought it was appropriate that I the player didn't get to see how it ended, and whether the pair rose to the challenge of surviving without Shepard.

Honestly, after the ending I thought the BSN would be awash with conversation about the possibilities.  What would their stories be like if they figured out a way to survive?  Or what would their lives be like if they knew the time they had together could be measured by the amount of dextro rations in the cargo hold?  I expected to see an amazing and beautiful piece of fan fiction about them sharing that dextro chocolate.

But hey, obviously I don't really care about the characters.

Nyoka wrote...
Same applies to the thousands of people from every corner of the galaxy you brought to the earth, a death trap for all of them. You're okay with that, I'm going to think you didn't really care all that much.

Wrong, actually.  The plight of the stranded dextro fleet made inspired me to research food cloning, quarian liveship capabilities, non-relay FTL travel and the percentage of garden worlds that could reasonably be expected to turn out dextro.  I thought it was awesome that the writers had ended the series in a way that made me fascinated about the universe and excited to find out what would be awaiting us in the stars when we finally got back out there - just like we the audience were at the beginning of Mass 1.

And none of that has anything to do with how the endings don't mesh with the universe we'd been presented from the very start of the series.  It doesn't fix the awful logic or cheap shortcuts.  Just look at the colors, guys.. don't worry about anything else.

I'd be all for swallowing an ME dark age IF the endings justified it.  Instead, we got "just because".  And sometimes we got less than that. 

Modifié par essarr71, 17 août 2012 - 06:55 .

[Wayning_Star]

essarr71 wrote...

CaptainZaysh wrote...

Nyoka wrote...

What that implies is that those people haven't thought about what happened to the characters they supposedly care about.

You care about Garrus, you'd be a bit concerned about his not seeing his home and family ever again and dying from terran food sickness.

Actually, I thought a great deal about it.  I thought it was likely to be a poignant and sad end for both he and Tali, unless they found a way to get off the jungle planet (or unless it were a dextro world!).  I also thought it was appropriate that I the player didn't get to see how it ended, and whether the pair rose to the challenge of surviving without Shepard.

Honestly, after the ending I thought the BSN would be awash with conversation about the possibilities.  What would their stories be like if they figured out a way to survive?  Or what would their lives be like if they knew the time they had together could be measured by the amount of dextro rations in the cargo hold?  I expected to see an amazing and beautiful piece of fan fiction about them sharing that dextro chocolate.

But hey, obviously I don't really care about the characters.

Nyoka wrote...
Same applies to the thousands of people from every corner of the galaxy you brought to the earth, a death trap for all of them. You're okay with that, I'm going to think you didn't really care all that much.

Wrong, actually.  The plight of the stranded dextro fleet made inspired me to research food cloning, quarian liveship capabilities, non-relay FTL travel and the percentage of garden worlds that could reasonably be expected to turn out dextro.  I thought it was awesome that the writers had ended the series in a way that made me fascinated about the universe and excited to find out what would be awaiting us in the stars when we finally got back out there - just like we the audience were at the beginning of Mass 1.

And none of that has anything to do with how the endings don't mesh with the universe we'd been presented from the very start of the series.  It doesn't fix the awful logic or cheap shortcuts.  Just look at the colors, guys.. don't worry about anything else.

I'd be all for swallowing an ME dark age IF the endings justified it.  Instead, we got "just because".  And sometimes we got less than that. 

what ever you do, don't admit to picking SINthesis..they'll rip you to shreds..

[The Angry One]

CaptainZaysh wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

HAHAHAHAHA.

Oh my god.
So you're saying the original Gainax ending inspired you to find out just exactly how Garrus would starve to death.

No; that's not at all what I said, is it?

No, but that's basically what was going to happen. My point in all that is, you're just telling us how you went and wildly engaged in headcanon. This is not the result of a proper ending to a trilogy.

[essarr71]

Wayning_Star wrote...
what ever you do, don't admit to picking SINthesis..they'll rip you to shreds..

Justifiably so.

But then, there isn't much to wonder about when everyone is brainwashed.

[Wayning_Star]

Considering sci fi and video games are all based in head canon.. why is head canon a bad thing..all the sudden?

Did I miss another friggen memo?!?

[The Angry One]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Considering sci fi and video games are all based in head canon.. why is head canon a bad thing..all the sudden?

Did I miss another friggen memo?!?

I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that and assume you were talking about Alistair's sexy voice.

Why yes, Alistair does have a sexy voice.

[TK Dude]

Wayning_Star wrote...

Considering sci fi and video games are all based in head canon.. why is head canon a bad thing..all the sudden?

Did I miss another friggen memo?!?

You don't pay 60$ for a game just to imagine what happens. Especially if the game is disappointing.

[Wayning_Star]

essarr71 wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...
what ever you do, don't admit to picking SINthesis..they'll rip you to shreds..

Justifiably so.

But then, there isn't much to wonder about when everyone is brainwashed.

I don't have a brain, so.. I'M SAFE!! Thank the lucky stars!!

I don't want to argue about brain washing and synthesis..thanks.

[ld1449]

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

By his own admission he didn't even play ME1 or ME2. Sorry, but I can't take the opinion of a person who's already admitted he's ignorant of what the **** he's talking about, seriously.

Sure ME3's themes pretty much support the endings. Its the two installments before Mac Walters got into the picture that show ME3 railroaded everything Drew set up to hell.

I couldn't get through reading the all caps article, but does he actually admit to having avoided ME1 or ME2?

In his first article he states that people requested that he write something on the ME endings. So many people asked it of him that he picked up ME3.

This implies, to me, that he never even touched ME1 and/or ME2 because if he played either then no one would have had to ask him to pick up ME3 because he would have already done it.

Modifié par ld1449, 17 août 2012 - 07:07 .

[Wayning_Star]

TK Dude wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Considering sci fi and video games are all based in head canon.. why is head canon a bad thing..all the sudden?

Did I miss another friggen memo?!?

You don't pay 60$ for a game just to imagine what happens. Especially if the game is disappointing.

Heck no. I don't want to spend 60$ on anything. I'm a tight wad..


really tho, I don't blame you for being erked over it, but it's a risk when you go for entertainment. I was by the game, but I'm a hopeless sci fi nut, don't care if the game isn't perfect, or if my story is the only reward to get. I just grumble and enjoy the lesser evils of the intended purpose. It's my "out" for game inadiquicy. I chalk it up to 'better luck next time', cause I know in my heart of sci fi hearts, I'll be a new and improved 'sucker' the next time, just like this time.. its a coming of age thing with me..

Edit: I'd also like to thank dissenters of the game too, as they've helped me understand alot about how video games interact with users as well as vis a vis. Heck, I even started to understand where the IT crowd was coming from, and the whole dream state thing was interesting and applies to the immersive qualities brought out by the ME trilogy. NONE Of this stuff even crossed my mind before I decided to visit the BSN.

Modifié par Wayning_Star, 17 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[Wayning_Star]

Why is it that when I re read my posts for whatever reason, I tend to sound like an Elcor?
it's over, I've lost it..

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Modifié par Wayning_Star, 17 août 2012 - 07:28 .

[Wayning_Star]

The Angry One wrote...

Wayning_Star wrote...

Considering sci fi and video games are all based in head canon.. why is head canon a bad thing..all the sudden?

Did I miss another friggen memo?!?

I'm just going to pretend I didn't read that and assume you were talking about Alistair's sexy voice.

Why yes, Alistair does have a sexy voice.

and human DNA 'can' be fused with synthetics..So There!!

heheh

[F4H bandicoot]

Modifié par F4H bandicoot, 17 août 2012 - 07:36 .

[geceka]

hmm, so all of you who did not read his post, but decided to comment (harshly) anyways, I'd recommend to read at least the section titled "10. ON THE CURRENT STATE OF FANDOM IN VIDEO GAMES...".

it's not about Mass Effect per se, but just about discussions like this one in general, and reading his thoughts and the example forum post he's mentioning, then comparing it to what's going on here... well, he has a point.

oh, and the funniest thing about this thread are definitely the people that shoot that guy down for being a hipster making fun of other people not "getting" the end, yet claiming themselves that anyone who actually likes the endings doesn't "get" what Mass Effect apparently really is about – and then complaining about the star child's purported "circular logic".

ok, sorry about that last paragraph, I just couldn't resist. nevertheless, threads like this are entirely pointless if a disagreement about the endings can't be the start of a discussion, but rather becomes the end of it.

[Torrible]

It is a thoughtful and heartfelt piece of writing. Love the calm and rational discussion in the comments section as well. You can definitely tell the kind of readers this guy attracts. I'm definitely a fan now.

[SpamBot2000]

geceka wrote...

hmm, so all of you who did not read his post, but decided to comment (harshly) anyways, I'd recommend to read at least the section titled "10. ON THE CURRENT STATE OF FANDOM IN VIDEO GAMES...".

it's not about Mass Effect per se, but just about discussions like this one in general, and reading his thoughts and the example forum post he's mentioning, then comparing it to what's going on here... well, he has a point.

oh, and the funniest thing about this thread are definitely the people that shoot that guy down for being a hipster making fun of other people not "getting" the end, yet claiming themselves that anyone who actually likes the endings doesn't "get" what Mass Effect apparently really is about – and then complaining about the star child's purported "circular logic".

ok, sorry about that last paragraph, I just couldn't resist. nevertheless, threads like this are entirely pointless if a disagreement about the endings can't be the start of a discussion, but rather becomes the end of it.

No, I think the funniest thing was when that Hulk guy went into a huge rant about "****ing people right in the face" for not liking ME3. It totally shows what a cool guy he must be.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 17 août 2012 - 08:09 .

[majormajormmajor]

Backpedalling like f*ck-all in this latest piece

Modifié par majormajormmajor, 17 août 2012 - 08:15 .

[matt-bassist]

jesus my head just exploded from reading that whole thing in HULK-MODE!!!!

[Conniving_Eagle]

ld1449 wrote...

BaladasDemnevanni wrote...

ld1449 wrote...

By his own admission he didn't even play ME1 or ME2. Sorry, but I can't take the opinion of a person who's already admitted he's ignorant of what the **** he's talking about, seriously.

Sure ME3's themes pretty much support the endings. Its the two installments before Mac Walters got into the picture that show ME3 railroaded everything Drew set up to hell.

I couldn't get through reading the all caps article, but does he actually admit to having avoided ME1 or ME2?

In his first article he states that people requested that he write something on the ME endings. So many people asked it of him that he picked up ME3.

This implies, to me, that he never even touched ME1 and/or ME2 because if he played either then no one would have had to ask him to pick up ME3 because he would have already done it.

"becuz no online" is what I typically hear from people on the multiplayer. But even most of those guys thought the endings sucked, EC or not

[TK Dude]

Hulk Mode? Check!
Cap on? Check!
Missing the point? Check!

Yep, totally legitimate article. /sarcasm

[Chaotic-Fusion]

I really can't bring myself to read one of those articles again.

But I imagine it's as idiotic, ill informed and downright insulting as the previous one, right?

Why anyone would take someone like that seriously is beyond me. And to top it off he probably didn't even go through ME1/2, at least he fits Bioware's new target demographic.

[Torrible]

Chaotic-Fusion wrote...

Why anyone would take someone like that seriously is beyond me.

You are right. It is beyond you.