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[AresKeith]

Fiji Indian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

Why not?

because the only organic vs synthetic conflict was the Geth and Quarians, which the Geth never wanted to kill the Quarians in the first place and was also resolved after the Rannoch mission

That doesn't mean that synthetics wouldn't eventually evolve further and start overtaking organics at some point in the future.

none of that is really foreshadowed at all until the last 10 minutes of the game by a Deus Ex Machina, and no AI yet in Mass Effect as acted like that

Modifié par AresKeith, 20 août 2012 - 11:42 .

[Fiji Indian]

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

Why not?

because the only organic vs synthetic conflict was the Geth and Quarians, which the Geth never wanted to kill the Quarians in the first place and was also resolved after the Rannoch mission

That doesn't mean that synthetics wouldn't eventually evolve further and start overtaking organics at some point in the future.

none of that is really foreshadowed at all until the last 10 minutes of the game by a Deus Ex Machina, and no AI yet in Mass Effect as acted like that

Before the final 10 minutes you have no real reason why the Reapers destroy everything. Then you get an answer. Then you can choose a way to end the cycle.

And during the games you encounter plenty of **** synthetics, VI and AI.

[AresKeith]

Fiji Indian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

Why not?

because the only organic vs synthetic conflict was the Geth and Quarians, which the Geth never wanted to kill the Quarians in the first place and was also resolved after the Rannoch mission

That doesn't mean that synthetics wouldn't eventually evolve further and start overtaking organics at some point in the future.

none of that is really foreshadowed at all until the last 10 minutes of the game by a Deus Ex Machina, and no AI yet in Mass Effect as acted like that

Before the final 10 minutes you have no real reason why the Reapers destroy everything. Then you get an answer. Then you can choose a way to end the cycle.

And during the games you encounter plenty of **** synthetics, VI and AI.

I was fine with the Reapers harvesting every cycle to remain the pinnacle of evolution, that was much better than that bad writing

[Conniving_Eagle]

Fiji Indian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Fiji Indian wrote...

Why not?

because the only organic vs synthetic conflict was the Geth and Quarians, which the Geth never wanted to kill the Quarians in the first place and was also resolved after the Rannoch mission

That doesn't mean that synthetics wouldn't eventually evolve further and start overtaking organics at some point in the future.

none of that is really foreshadowed at all until the last 10 minutes of the game by a Deus Ex Machina, and no AI yet in Mass Effect as acted like that

Before the final 10 minutes you have no real reason why the Reapers destroy everything. Then you get an answer. Then you can choose a way to end the cycle.

And during the games you encounter plenty of **** synthetics, VI and AI.

Harvesting organics. Remember the conversation with Vigil? The Reapers are alien - unkowable.

Stopping them doesn't depend on understanding them. The answer we get is a stupid answer. A villain doesn't need complex motivations (or in ME's case, the Reapers try to have complex motivations but they end up looking like idiots, atleast dark energy made some sense).

[Conniving_Eagle]

This Leviathan DLC would have seemed a lot more interesting if Bioware hadn't cheapened the Reapers' persona.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@ CE: I agree. We don't need to know the reapers motivations. They are killing us. We are trying to survive. The latter is our motivation. The survival of our species is enough of a motivation for me. We know that they can be destroyed.

What pissed me off was:

* the retcon of the council in ME2 to be dumbasses.
* the retcon of Councilor Anderson to not trust Shepard.
* the way all the information about Sovereign suddenly turned into Geth when they had Geth tech all over the place to compare it to -- meaning their scientists are dumbasses too.
* and in ME3 the turning of Shepard into a putz.

What is really sad is that everyone posting in this thread could come up with a better ending than Walters & Hudson. Granted some of them would be pretty cheesy (like yours truly), but they would be better. Hey, it's a game and the idea is fun, right?

[AresKeith]

I was find with what everyone assumed about the Reapers in ME1 and ME2

[Xamufam]

Makes to much sense for mass effect 3

[AresKeith]

here's the epic trailer for this ending lol

[saracen16]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

What if the Crucible turned all the Reapers into delicious strawberry-banana smoothies?

It didn't. It could have done a lot of things, but it didn't. It does what it does. "What if's" are ridiculous because that's not the direction the writers of the game decided to go with. If you want a universe where the Crucible does a "what if", go write your own game... or a fanfiction.

I suggest you buy a new bed, because you seem to constantly wake up on the wrong side of the one you own.

BioWare wanted speculations, so you can't jump from thread to thread bashing people's ideas.

Shame.

There's a difference between speculation and going contrary to the plot.

[AresKeith]

saracen16 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Father_Jerusalem wrote...

What if the Crucible turned all the Reapers into delicious strawberry-banana smoothies?

It didn't. It could have done a lot of things, but it didn't. It does what it does. "What if's" are ridiculous because that's not the direction the writers of the game decided to go with. If you want a universe where the Crucible does a "what if", go write your own game... or a fanfiction.

I suggest you buy a new bed, because you seem to constantly wake up on the wrong side of the one you own.

BioWare wanted speculations, so you can't jump from thread to thread bashing people's ideas.

Shame.

There's a difference between speculation and going contrary to the plot.

this isn't going contrary to plot

[Conniving_Eagle]

I was hoping that the Council secretly acknowledged the Reaper threat. They outright lied to you when they said they didn't think Sovereign was more than a geth creation. Um... Thanix weaponry much?

Again ME3 could have pulled it all together, but it didn't.

Edit: Then maybe in ME3 their reason for not telling you is because they didn't like the way you handled that interview back in ME1.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 21 août 2012 - 07:58 .

[AresKeith]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I was hoping that the Council secretly acknowledged the Reaper threat. They outright lied to you when they said they didn't think Sovereign was more than a geth creation. Um... Thanix weaponry much?

Again ME3 could have pulled it all together, but it didn't.

Edit: Then maybe in ME3 their reason for not telling you is because they didn't like the way you handled that interview back in ME1.

they really retconned the Council for no real reason

[iSousek]

AresKeith wrote...

weaken all the Reapers like Sovereign was in ME1, and have the final battle play out based on your level of EMS, you could win or lose. And the Earth mission would be like the Suicide mission on steroids. This would also give us more Earth missions

I believed in this whole time. All the way from ME 1 it was obvious we will need some deus ex, some secret uber weapon. It would only weaken the Reapers and my choices over the course of trilogy would do the rest. Each and every important choice I made would translate into a cutscene.

But I guess that's not cool enough.

[VinWizzy]

F4H bandicoot wrote...

I actually thought it might do this.

[AresKeith]

iSousek wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

weaken all the Reapers like Sovereign was in ME1, and have the final battle play out based on your level of EMS, you could win or lose. And the Earth mission would be like the Suicide mission on steroids. This would also give us more Earth missions

I believed in this whole time. All the way from ME 1 it was obvious we will need some deus ex, some secret uber weapon. It would only weaken the Reapers and my choices over the course of trilogy would do the rest. Each and every important choice I made would translate into a cutscene.

But I guess that's not cool enough.

I don't know about from ME1, but yea most of us thought that would happen

[saracen16]

AresKeith wrote...

this isn't going contrary to plot

Actually, it is: the plot is that the Crucible either destroys the Reapers, controls them, or synthesizes organic life with synthetic life. All these three endings are alluded to one way or another, and each have their own significance with regards to the entire trilogy storyline whether you choose to ignore this fact or not. The ending proposed here is nothing short of contrived, uninspiring garbage.

Give it a ****ing rest. The story is not going to change. What happens after the ending of ME3 is left to your speculation, not what is actually presented to you in the game.

[jetfire118]

an ending where i wouldn't feel like i wasted my time on getting war assets? nope.... *Insert overused artistic joke* But seriously...not enough art.

[Kataphrut94]

To be fair, even without kinetic barriers, the Reapers still have heavy armour plating, super lasers and unlimited ground troops. Robbing them of one advantage still doesn't make up for the superior firepower, heat-proof armour and sheer numerical advantage.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The reapers would lose in an Arnold movie. We can use one ass pull after another and as long as we keep the action going, bullets flying, one liners flowing, and plenty of explosions no one will notice.

[AresKeith]

saracen16 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

this isn't going contrary to plot

Actually, it is: the plot is that the Crucible either destroys the Reapers, controls them, or synthesizes organic life with synthetic life. All these three endings are alluded to one way or another, and each have their own significance with regards to the entire trilogy storyline whether you choose to ignore this fact or not. The ending proposed here is nothing short of contrived, uninspiring garbage.

Give it a ****ing rest. The story is not going to change. What happens after the ending of ME3 is left to your speculation, not what is actually presented to you in the game.

um the main plot of the game is to stop the Reapers, those are the choices that appear at the end of the game.

Way to try and bash someone's thread because it doesn't involve your Synthesis, I bet feel like a big boy now

[Jadebaby]

saracen16 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

this isn't going contrary to plot

Actually, it is: the plot is that the Crucible either destroys the Reapers, controls them, or synthesizes organic life with synthetic life. All these three endings are alluded to one way or another, and each have their own significance with regards to the entire trilogy storyline whether you choose to ignore this fact or not. The ending proposed here is nothing short of contrived, uninspiring garbage.

Give it a ****ing rest. The story is not going to change. What happens after the ending of ME3 is left to your speculation, not what is actually presented to you in the game.

If you don't like the thread, you give it a rest and just don't open the link....

Like your "why refuse isn't a good option" or whatever it's called. I haven't even opened up the page, because I know it will be full of opinionated bull****.

Plus, that bolded part, you're joking right?

For the whole game the crucible was meant to defeat the Reapers. Not the Reaper threat or invasion. The physical BEINGS themselves!

Synthesis is also more contrived then any piece of fanfic writing i have seen since the ME3 release. There have been WAY too many analysis' and studies from literary and thematic standpoints to real life biochemistry and physics standpoints.

It just stupid and contrived. Had the writers had more time to flesh out an ending that made sense. They would have seen this themselves.

Synthesis is the anti-thesis to the Mass Effect series.

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The reapers would lose in an Arnold movie. We can use one ass pull after another and as long as we keep the action going, bullets flying, one liners flowing, and plenty of explosions no one will notice.

oh I'd definitely notice, but it'd still be better

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The reapers would lose in an Arnold movie. We can use one ass pull after another and as long as we keep the action going, bullets flying, one liners flowing, and plenty of explosions no one will notice.

oh I'd definitely notice, but it'd still be better

I wouldn't say there bullets lol and how much explosions?

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

The reapers would lose in an Arnold movie. We can use one ass pull after another and as long as we keep the action going, bullets flying, one liners flowing, and plenty of explosions no one will notice.

oh I'd definitely notice, but it'd still be better

I wouldn't say there bullets lol and how much explosions?

Does it matter? Shepard can survive any type, apparently