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[DPSSOC]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Still, I would find it odd if he becomes Arishok because he broke out of a cage.

Well the last Arishok got his backside handed to him by a guy in a dress armed with a stick, somebody who can break out of a cage would be incredible if this is the best the Qunari have to offer.

[Reznore57]

"Well the last Arishok got his backside handed to him by a woman in a dress armed with a stick"....,running around in circles screaming for her life , while her heroic mabari was chewing on the qunari a**.

Glorious tale of my hawke.

[Withidread]

On the Sten breaking out or being released by others scenario. Keep in mind that all of the things that The Warden (potentially) did for Sten, were things that Sten could concievably do himself, though likely in a bloodier fashion. Having said that, Sten being in the position that he's in, he's garaunteed to run into the darkspawn, and with or without his sword, the Arishok's question demands an answer.

[Withidread]

Also, the loss of Sten's sword could be viewed as the point where Sten ceases to be Sten and begins a journey to become Arishok.

[TEWR]

Withidread wrote...

On the Sten breaking out or being released by others scenario. Keep in mind that all of the things that The Warden (potentially) did for Sten, were things that Sten could concievably do himself, though likely in a bloodier fashion. Having said that, Sten being in the position that he's in, he's garaunteed to run into the darkspawn, and with or without his sword, the Arishok's question demands an answer.

Indeed. Given the high level of importance Asala holds to Sten, I cannot see him so easily forsaking it if the loss of it caused him to have a temporary instance of psychosis.

I'd expect him to look for it himself, even if he held little hope for actually finding it. And then he'd find it, even if he tore some arms off in the process.

As for the answer regarding the Darkspawn that the Arishok needed, well... he's already seen the threat the Darkspawn pose. A group of Darkspawn took out his entire squad, save for himself. I'm certain that he'd probably also see the devastation they'd cause to Lothering, and would probably petition the Grand Cleric to release him as he'd prefer to die in battle against the Darkspawn. Thus, he'd serve as another soldier for them as they escort the villagers out of the village towards Redcliffe or Denerim.

After a time, he'd probably be told by the GC or someone else that he's either atoned for his sins or has done enough that they'll let him go. Or maybe they'd just let him go, but say "We're giving you a headstart, not a pardon".

And I'd imagine he'd study old records about the Darkspawn -- maybe even talking to non-Qunari Dwarves -- to get a better understanding of the Blight, even if he couldn't see the Archdemon himself. But he'd definitely do his research, as the Qun demands that the Arishok be given a thorough answer on the question of "What is the Blight?"

Dave of Canada wrote...

I'd be happy if Sten kills Alistair.

I can see that happening. That wouldn't ****** me off too much. The concept of companions killing one another isn't something I like in principle, but storywise I can see a good case for the Starishok killing Alistair, if a Qunari invasion is imminent like the games practically slaps us in the face with.

It'd cause some political instability in Ferelden, a land that Starishok knows well due to his travels. Plus, he may want to test Alistair's mettle in combat, to see if he is truly able to lead his people.

That said, I can also kinda see Starishok not going through with killing Alistair, though not out of some sort of kinship like he would do if it were the Warden.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 18 août 2012 - 08:55 .

[The Night Haunter]

Well for everyone saying what if sten was left in the cage... magic bioware fix! he wasnt!

They already retconned Alistair as king, so basically our decisions mean nothing. If you left sten behind you actually didn't, you just suffered from hallucinations and imagined sten wasn't with you the whole time.
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Also they gonna do the same thing for Dark Ritual and Old God Baby, even if you didnt perform the ritual and died you didnt actually die and you did perform the ritual.

Nice way to keep our decisions meaningful bioware.

[TobiTobsen]

Is it still "our" Sten? That's the question I'm asking myself. As far as I'm aware the Qunari are big on the whole "reindoctrination" thing if their people come back from missions to non Qun territory.

Would be sad to see all the cookie love and the slightly changed worldview replaced by renewed Qun sermon.

Modifié par TobiTobsen, 18 août 2012 - 09:44 .

[TEWR]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Well for everyone saying what if sten was left in the cage... magic bioware fix! he wasnt!

They already retconned Alistair as king, so basically our decisions mean nothing.

No they didn't. This is book canon, meaning it has to follow one outcome out of the few possible ones to be told. That doesn't mean Alistair's always king. It means Bioware -- specifically, Gaider himself -- chose to tell this general story from a point of view where the Warden made Alistair king.

Expecting Gaider to write 20 different stories to deal with the choices regarding Sten, Varric, Isabela, Alistair, etc. is not only realistic, but asenine. 

Again, this just means that the story you're reading is being told from an Alistair-made-king save you did. If you didn't do that -- either he's exiled, Warden, or dead -- then DA3 will properly reflect on that.

Because you know, if Alistair was retconned to be king, he would've always been king in DAII. Except he's either a Warden, a drunkard, king, or dead (I assume that one's carried over). And if you were going to say "Well he became King after those events", then Alistair would've shown up in Act 3, as King of Ferelden, all the time.

But he doesn't.

Also they gonna do the same thing for Dark Ritual and Old God Baby, even if you didnt perform the ritual and died you didnt actually die and you did perform the ritual.

There are ways the OGB could always exist without having the Warden magically appear alive and having mysteriously "done the ritual", even if you said no.

But that's another matter entirely.

[Dave of Canada]

TobiTobsen wrote...

Is it still "our" Sten? That's the question I'm asking myself. As far as I'm aware the Qunari are big on the whole "reindoctrination" thing if their people come back from missions to non Qun territory.

Would be sad to see all the cookie love and the slightly changed worldview replaced by renewed Qun sermon.

I'd actually enjoy reprogrammed Sten.

[Withidread]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

Well for everyone saying what if sten was left in the cage... magic bioware fix! he wasnt!

They already retconned Alistair as king, so basically our decisions mean nothing. If you left sten behind you actually didn't, you just suffered from hallucinations and imagined sten wasn't with you the whole time.
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Also they gonna do the same thing for Dark Ritual and Old God Baby, even if you didnt perform the ritual and died you didnt actually die and you did perform the ritual.

Nice way to keep our decisions meaningful bioware.

None of the player's decisions preclude Sten from becoming Arishok. They change the path needed to get there, but none of the decisions you make creates an impossible scenario. Leaving Sten in the cage does not, in fact, consign him to death, it only prevents him from joining The Warden. You might assume he dies if you leave him in the cage, but assuming does things to people. Bad things.

[Augustei]

The Silent Grove still works for a Warden Alistair anyway when you think about, so it doesn't really matter if he's King or not (just ignore the word king where its mentioned in the comics =D) Here's hoping Those Who Speak also works for Warden Alistair

[Karlone123]

ElvaliaRavenHart wrote...
It says on the description that Alistair might have to take up arms against Sten!  Say what!   

If it does come down to it, I would be conflicted on who I would want to win.

[Karlone123]

MisterJB wrote...

Can you retire from a position in the Qun? They believe everyone has a role that is as much part of his being as his race. You can't retire from being a human or a kossith.

Maybe losing the tome of Koslan a second time could result in revaluation from the Tamassara.

[Knight of Dane]

*Da fuq double post*

Modifié par Knight of Dane, 19 août 2012 - 10:00 .

[Knight of Dane]

Sejborg wrote...

Knight of Dane wrote...

Sejborg wrote...

Will this mean that Sten surviving Origins will be canon?

It pretty much is already. The warden can't kill him, and if he stays in the cage he might be freed by someone else. Or break out when the Darkspawn hit?
Still, I would find it odd if he becomes Arishok because he broke out of a cage.

But it would still be cool for replayability of he is in the next game and has differing personalities depending on his relationship with the warden.

Well. I suppose someone else could have freed him. Fair enough.

I always thought that Sten was some kind of spy for the Qunari. Trying to figure out weaknesses and dangers in Ferelden, that his folk could benefit from in a coming invasion.

I'm not sure I buy this Sten becoming a leader amongst the Qunari though. To me he didn't seem to have any tactical sense or any leadership abilities. So I think it would be a bit weird to give him such a prominent role. 

I guess he could be. If i remember correctly the Qunari who is sent out and not as an act of war is most often hornless Kossith or Vidathari. But if there is one thing I've always felt about them it is that they are always Honest. Cruptic often, but honest.
I think Tallis is the only Qunari who is known to lie in the series.

Still, that Qunari in the pic could very well just be another hornless one, but we shall see.

[Fallstar]

Epic. All of our Warden's companions seem to end up going places.

I'm now more than a bit worried that Aristen will be the character Mr Gaider said would have to die for story purposes.

[Augustei]

DuskWarden wrote...

Epic. All of our Warden's companions seem to end up going places.

I'm now more than a bit worried that Aristen will be the character Mr Gaider said would have to die for story purposes.

Did he say one of the characters will have to die for Story purposes?

[whykikyouwhy]

XxDeonxX wrote...

DuskWarden wrote...

Epic. All of our Warden's companions seem to end up going places.

I'm now more than a bit worried that Aristen will be the character Mr Gaider said would have to die for story purposes.

Did he say one of the characters will have to die for Story purposes?

There's a quote from an interview with Gaider about the comics:

"Sometimes it's hard when you love a character so much and don't want to kill them, but if you don't follow through with their story and they need to die for the story you're doing them a disservice."

(It's posted somewhere in the other thread about the comic series, but it's also included in a transcript of an interview found on the wiki.)

He doesn't outright say that anyone in the comics will be killed, and the remark is made when he is talking both about the writing process and branching out into novels and such. So there's a lot left for assumption and speculation. He could have been making a vague reference to one of the novels, actually. 

[Knight of Dane]

To begin with many thought he was referring to Isabela. ^

[Dagr88]

My 1st guess would be Marric. (2 Novels were about him and he's old right now)
2nd guess would be Alistair (So he would be dead  no matter what {so much for cameo})


{{... On the other hand ( SPOILER ) both of them are descendants of some king whos blood was special.
So if in DA3 we would need "some of that blood" we might to on a jorney to find Marric or Alistair (if he wasn't executed) or them both and in the end if both of them are alive do some Vermire stuff... A long shot but possible.}}

3rd - Sten

Modifié par Dagr88, 19 août 2012 - 06:10 .

[Knight of Dane]

Well the reason why many guessed Isabela or Alistair, i think, is because Gaider previously stated that those two and Varric are his personal favorites.

[CuriousArtemis]

Wait, is that really a canon picture of Sten from DA:O???

Why is his skin so pale?!?!?!?

[Dendio1]

Doesn't sten possibly stay with the warden at the end of DA O ?

[TEWR]

As far as I can recall, no. The Warden can offer to travel with him back to Seheron though, to which he's happy at the idea.

[Knight of Dane]

Like Leliana and Alistair do but both show up in Kirkwall regardless?