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[ryoldschool]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

Moress wrote...

typhoon really is fine, it just needs certain things now:

good line of sight
works better on a larger map, in my experience
large field of fire

pretend you're a gun enplacement with it and stuff is boned

This is what people who don't see the nerf as a good thing is missing. Everyone is worried about damage damage damage. No on is looking at the Overall picture of the game.

Not every gun is going to be effective everywhere. The widow, although usable on glacier is still not the best choice of weapon since the map is crunched. A hurricane-most shotguns would be a horrible main weapon on giant.

The typhoon is a overall GREAT weapon. I didn't even unlock the gun until after the nerf, and know what, I still think the gun is OP. I can't even imagine what the gun was like before the nerf, probably as bad as the krysae. I also play with the mindset that damage isnt everything in this game.
*The gun has a huge clip, save a trip to ammo pack.
*Even after nerf, the guns single bullet damage is a revenant that shoots accurately down stream, even without equipment mods (don't usualy play with equipment)
*The gun has built in armor piercing....the only other gun i know has this is the widow/BW
*The gun has a built in damage increase that grows as your RoF grows. Yea i don't get how someone could complain about the beggining rate of fire being bad, learn to take soft cover and shoot an enemy when its safe to.
*The gun is accurate. The gun gets reliable headshots across giant without a scope and with little recoil adjustment.

I don't have any experience touching the gun pre-nerf. stated before, the gun was in everyones weapon loadout at level 1 with the same mods and these people were in gold/platinum with low enough N7s that they didn't even have medigel/rocket capacities up. But still "looked" to the unexperienced player, like they belonged in gold/platinum.

If you are going to continue to say that its GREAT, just produce a video on Gold of you making headshots across the map on Giant ( I am assuming that you were not talking about "headshots" on an Atlas, btw ).  I made a video post nerf showing how the accuracy when not fired from cover ( and I have a stability mod on in the video ).   Also show us how you take out phantoms with it.

[ryoldschool]

Mgamerz wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

Mgamerz wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

eltdown wrote...

You can make
the point you're trying to whilst being less abrasive - being less so
might even help get your point across better, would you believe?

Act respectful, get a respectful response.  He didn't, so I didn't.

You're a true BSN veteran.

I was going to ask you to test the PPR vs the Typhoon, but your manifest is private.  You already posted a whole thread where you said Typhoon was fine, and pages of people who disagreed with you.  Have you tested similar builds vs the PPR?

I specifically set it to private so people don't do exactly what you just did, though I guess you weren't being a douche like some other people in this thread seem to have been. 
No, I don't have the PPR, really want it though. The typhoon is alright but I don't see myself using it, my saber is way better (I like the noise and headshots). I don't care that Idon't use the typhoon. I'm not going to force myself to think its the gun I want to use. I'm not going to **** and moan that a weapon got nerfed back to sane levels.
Still, I want my freeze ray.

No, I'm not being a douche, lol.  We just have a disagreement on the degree of the nerf, and if it were not for the PPR and Harrier I would really be pissed about the Assault rifles in this game ( I have the saber but don't like to repeatedly tap the trigger ).   I would be in favor of a buff that lets the Typhoon be a boss killer once again - in fact I am not sure that the bonus factors to armor, barriers and shields even works post-nerf - that might be the big reason it is so lackluster since the nerf.  Maybe they just need to fix whatever is wrong with that.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

ryoldschool wrote...

If you are going to continue to say that its GREAT, just produce a video on Gold of you making headshots across the map on Giant ( I am assuming that you were not talking about "headshots" on an Atlas, btw ).  I made a video post nerf showing how the accuracy when not fired from cover ( and I have a stability mod on in the video ).   Also show us how you take out phantoms with it.

1. don't have equipment for making online video

2. wouldnt make one even if I did because I analize things from overall perspectives instead of finding specifics

3. why would you not fire from cover, this is a cover emphisized-shooter game...*noted video* WHY WHEREN'T YOU IN COVER???!! (not being a dirty cheesecake, but being in the open shooting the wall doesnt show how effective a gun is, it just shows how well you can spread bullets on the wall, while not in cover you'd be better of burst firing for accuracy, I'll put a "cover" in next post. Also stability mods DONT increase accuracy, it reduces recoil, put assault rifle scope on and make the same video.

4. Phantoms can be taken out just like any other enemy-ablities or staggering weapons. I don't use the typhoon regularly, and even if I did, Id be using a scorpion as backup for staggering enemies/phantoms. Thats a completely different topic though.

Excuse me if I come off rudely-missunderstanding, but I only have experience with this gun post nerf, and even post nerf I'm inclined to say it could use another, only drawback being the gun is heavy as hell. Pre-nerf I watched the gun melt banshees and atluses. No... just no... an INDIVIDUAL weapon should not be able to melt the highest HP bosses solo as fast as a typhoon does. The piranha-other powerfull shottys do so, with close range as disadvantage, (piranha still in need of nerf) Sniper rifles do so with shield gate disadvantages as well as slow RoF. The typhoon still melts bosses post nerf just fine.

[ryoldschool]

Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

ryoldschool wrote...

If you are going to continue to say that its GREAT, just produce a video on Gold of you making headshots across the map on Giant ( I am assuming that you were not talking about "headshots" on an Atlas, btw ).  I made a video post nerf showing how the accuracy when not fired from cover ( and I have a stability mod on in the video ).   Also show us how you take out phantoms with it.

1. don't have equipment for making online video

2. wouldnt make one even if I did because I analize things from overall perspectives instead of finding specifics

3. why would you not fire from cover, this is a cover emphisized-shooter game...*noted video* WHY WHEREN'T YOU IN COVER???!! (not being a dirty cheesecake, but being in the open shooting the wall doesnt show how effective a gun is, it just shows how well you can spread bullets on the wall, while not in cover you'd be better of burst firing for accuracy, I'll put a "cover" in next post. Also stability mods DONT increase accuracy, it reduces recoil, put assault rifle scope on and make the same video.

4. Phantoms can be taken out just like any other enemy-ablities or staggering weapons. I don't use the typhoon regularly, and even if I did, Id be using a scorpion as backup for staggering enemies/phantoms. Thats a completely different topic though.

Excuse me if I come off rudely-missunderstanding, but I only have experience with this gun post nerf, and even post nerf I'm inclined to say it could use another, only drawback being the gun is heavy as hell. Pre-nerf I watched the gun melt banshees and atluses. No... just no... an INDIVIDUAL weapon should not be able to melt the highest HP bosses solo as fast as a typhoon does. The piranha-other powerfull shottys do so, with close range as disadvantage, (piranha still in need of nerf) Sniper rifles do so with shield gate disadvantages as well as slow RoF. The typhoon still melts bosses post nerf just fine.

I was just doing a fair comparison.  If you look at specter's solo platinum he does not fire it from cover either.  And you can't burst fire the Typhoon and get max damage out of it.

Whatever, if you enjoy it fine, I do not.

[Terraflare]

I've played this game from day 1 and have just unlocked the typhoon. I did not have it pre-nerf and I see no point in using it now.

Anyone who says it's fine please cite any other class that can use it effectively on platinum aside from a destroyer. Even then, a harrier + piranha does the job better.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

ryoldschool wrote...
I was just doing a fair comparison.  If you look at specter's solo platinum he does not fire it from cover either.  And you can't burst fire the Typhoon and get max damage out of it.

Whatever, if you enjoy it fine, I do not.

Never watched anyone solo platinum or gold matches. Doesnt appeal to me as having anything but a lot of time and experience with manipulation of the AI. Congrats for he/she completing them but there is nothing spactacular about them that makes me think they're technique or skills are higher/lower than anyone elses.

I don't use the typhoon btw stated before. My main weapons of choice are Indra X and Scorpion X for both weight of 140%~170% for most classes, as well as the long range/damage/stagger requirements. Don't misunderstand my post, I'm all for the typhoon nerf. But at the same time I don't see the "super shine" in any of the weapons unless they are OP, and since I've only experienced the typhoon after the "balancing," I can only say it was OP before the nerf. Still, lol I use weapons that work best with my playstyle and classes.

[laudable11]

Jammer wrote...

Sheesh, a lot of people here not bothering to address the argument and instead say I have no clue by looking at my manifest. I play a lot more than once a week. Not as much or as well as people who solo Platinum, but enough to know that UR's do no "drop like candy."

I'm not trying to compare the Typhoon to weapons I don't have. I'm saying it's a good gun, period. You like something else better? Good on you. But don't come around whining about the "uselessness" of the Typhoon. If a mediocre player like me can make the thing sing, it's a friggin' good weapon.

Modifié par laudable11, 18 août 2012 - 04:54 .

[Ronnie Blastoff]

PKTracer wrote...

From your post to BW's devs...  You'll probably get your wish, and there will be more BW nerfs to the Piranha and Typhoon. 

And in a game where I've seen banshees magnet hand people left, right and center, through walls, around corners, and even mid-charge, I suppose a gun shouldn't be able to hurt them very much.  It's not like the one player I saw a week ago get OHKed by a banshee's magnet hands through walls, around corners, and meters away, not 1, not 2, but 7 times in one mission would argue with your logic.

Broken weapons don't solve bad development. Standing on stairs does....

I don't wish for any more a typhoon nerf, it is "balanced" enough that 90% of people aren't using it at level 1 anymore. The piranha on the other hand could use tweeking. To much RoF for the damage and adding a choke severly decreases the spread. It being a RARE and something like the wraith being a UR and not as effective a "shotgun" as well as 90% of the public using the gun because its "leet" is reason enough for me.

[Mgamerz]

Terraflare wrote...

I've played this game from day 1 and have just unlocked the typhoon. I did not have it pre-nerf and I see no point in using it now.

Anyone who says it's fine please cite any other class that can use it effectively on platinum aside from a destroyer. Even then, a harrier + piranha does the job better.

Please cite another class that can use the Javelin as well then.

[Ronnie Blastoff]

PKTracer wrote...

The stairs trick... sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't.  It depends on how steep they are, and if the banshee can charge to your level on the stairs (happens all the time). 

Until such time as you see *good development,* a gun that can lay down the smack on something as cheap as a banshee grab is hardly OP.  I even saw a banshee magnet hand a player who medigeled, and the banshee was at least 10 meters away. 

If 90% aren't using the Typhoon anymore, wouldn't that say it's been overnerfed? 

I'd add: Instead of nerfing the Piranha, yet again, buff the Wraith.  I agree that the Wraith needs some attention.

..... had to take a second.... that question caused a deep sizzling sensation that I almost made me rage...
Anyway, let me put it this way...*still sizzling*
90% of the players in this game dont really have enough... "experience" ....to play on half the difficulties they are on beit b/s/g/p.... do I think these people deserve a weapon so OP that they can play, with me, and FAIL the #*$^& mission, because the weapon/ability they have gave them the idea they could cut it in g/p with %&$($ skills?.... I really don't know how to answer that one without getting even more sizzling.

Edit: No its not overnerfed. Just because the 90% of the people don't like the nerf means it was a bad nerf. It means 90% of the people didnt learn to adapt to the changes, or chose to use another weapon, or chose to come here and complain that the only thing enabling them to play higher difficulties is crap now and they want they're crutch back.

The same thing with the kyrsae/falcon. I &(^# love the krysae and falcon now. They do what they are ment to do without outshining everything else in the game. I use the falcon/krysae on my classes when I need a weapon to staggerlock crowds of enemies. How does that 90% feel about them, idk, they are probably to busy playing platinum spamming biotic/electric slash with piranhas thinking they are leet until the next nerf.

Modifié par Ronnie Blastoff, 18 août 2012 - 05:18 .

[Terraflare]

Mgamerz wrote...

Terraflare wrote...

I've played this game from day 1 and have just unlocked the typhoon. I did not have it pre-nerf and I see no point in using it now.

Anyone who says it's fine please cite any other class that can use it effectively on platinum aside from a destroyer. Even then, a harrier + piranha does the job better.

Please cite another class that can use the Javelin as well then.

What's your point? All single shot snipers are gimped because of shield gating, even though the small bleed through is a step in the right direction. How is the Javelin being a terrible weapon related to the fact that the Typhoon is now an equally terrible weapon in every class except the destroyer's hands?

[AppealToReason]

TeamLexana wrote...

Jammer wrote...

Xaijin wrote...
[...]
2. People liked the typhoon overwhelmingly the way it was, which has nothing to do with farming metrics.

Of course everyone liked it the way it was. It was very very very good. And now it's only very very good. And this is apparently useless (to some people).

Honestly, I can see why people were unhappy. So was I. But for some, we're way past unhappy and into irrational land.

Nope. I don't say thank you when served crap and proceed to eat it with a smile on my face. I'll burn that damn food joint down first. But different strokes for different folks, lol.

A better way to say this would be "Don't ****** in my ear and tell me its raining"

[its THAT guy]

"Ronnie Blastoff wrote...

I didn't even unlock the gun until after the nerf, and know what, I still think the gun is OP.

I can't even imagine what the gun was like before the nerf, probably as bad as the krysae."



Yah, see, comments like this really invalidate everything you say in your oh-so-holy opinionated crusade against the Typhoon.

The
gun isn't OP, was not NEARLY as bad as the Krysae (barely anyone had it
anyway, for the record, UR RNG SAYS HELLO), then gets slammed with two
nerfs two weeks in a row.

I'm not even sure why you're so
abosultely sure the Typhoon was so OP in the first place. You seem hell
bent on ruining the few gold/platinum worthy assualt rifles in the game
to, what, remove those "terribad-bronze players" from your farming
matches, or whatever, simply bacause you seem them using these "OP" guns
as a crutch? Jesus.

EDIT: Stupid BSN quoting messed up my post, jesus.

Modifié par its THAT guy, 18 août 2012 - 05:58 .

[Mandalore313]

I love how people who have no clue of what is optimal have an opinion about everything.
Including what they think is optimal.

[Jammer]

When I started this thread I expected a lot of pushback. I just didn't expect this much rank dismissal based on my manifest.

And I do strongly regret the "learn to shoot" line. That was way too snarky, suggesting someone's dislike of the Typhoon was based purely on their lack of skill. If the gun doesn't fit your style of play, well, then it doesn't. I apologize for suggesting otherwise. I got carried away there.

But I stand by my main point. The Typhoon is a good gun, perfectly suited to kick some butt. I will now attempt to address some points.

1) "It's not as good as X." Maybe not. But I didn't say it was the best weapon, or better than X. I said it was good.

2) "It's underpowered for an UR." This may also be true. It probably the most valid complaint I've heard to date. But it also doesn't make it useless.

3) "You don't play enough to have a valid opinion." I don't play as much as many of you must in order to have maxed your rares and UR's. But if I can make a strong contribution to the team on Gold (and I do. I know scores aren't everything but mine are solid, plus I revive and do objectives -- I don't need to be carried) despite an underpowered weapon and lack of practice -- maybe that weapon isn't so underpowered, and/or maybe I'm not so blind from lack of play as you might think...

4) "It's only good on Destroyers." It's certainly only good for the soldier class, I'll grant you that, unless it gets a weight buff. Casters need not apply. It's a valid criticism, but it's a long way from proving the gun worthless.

5) "A gun that needs consumables..." These forums are full of posts where people talk about the consumables they use to get excellent results. Indeed, I'd say the prevailing opinion is that someone who won't use their weapon/ammo/armor consumables in Gold/Plat is wasting everyone's else's time (exceptional players excepted). So I've no use for this argument.

And there was that one guy who saw a Destroyer fail to kill a Centurion with a Typhoon and instead got killed himself. This apparently meant something. I'm not sure what...

[121210Olivia]

The Typhoon needs some tweaking (which err on the side of buffing) for sure -- and Ronnie, you may have to agree to disagree with the majority of opinions on this subject.

URs are meant to be made to shine like gold on Gold. This is ze truth. How they fare on Platinum should be relative to the Platinum "many bosses all at once" game factor. As for Silver and Bronze, it's probable they may appear OP. But who cares? If this causes more wins -- great. More credits for players is always good in my books. I don't play Silver or Bronze, but I know they don't earn that much anyway. When they get to Gold, realise the Typhoon isn't going to necessarily provide a win, then they either go back to Silver or Bronze, or develop as players. Win win. However, if the Typhoon remains, at best, a second or third choice AR for Gold and Platinum players, then something is wrong.

Two squirrels worth.

[121210Olivia]

Jammer:

"And there was that one guy who saw a Destroyer fail to kill a Centurion with a Typhoon and instead got killed himself. This apparently meant something. I'm not sure what..." [/quote]

Oh hello. I'm "that one guy". It may be fair to say your reading ability is as "fine" as your view of the Typhoon.

Modifié par 121210Olivia, 18 août 2012 - 07:11 .

[Sulaco_7]

Some people have already mentioned it, but the Typhoon is bugged. The 150% bonuses to shields and armor work sometime, but most times, it doesn't.

Forget rebuffing this gun, just fix this bug, please.

[Sp3c7eR]

Too many clueless people or trolls in threads like these. All the "typhoon is fine" comments come from pubstars that play exclusively silver and bronze and have never completed a platinum extraction. Interestingly there's also some self-proclaimed "veterans" that don't offer any evidence despite videos proving Typhoon got hit hard with the nerf-stick and is no longer competitive due to exposure and warm up duration and movement limitations.

And apparently people tend to dismiss weapon usage based on skill or lack thereof when my gut feeling tells me these same individuals will spend most of their time kissing the floor in a competitive shooter.

Honestly, ppl here should get some perspective. And if you're making a controversial claim, please provide some evidence so you don't get called a douchebag.

[DHKany]

If the multipliers worked all the time (which they don't), it would actually have a very good DPS still.

[Jammer]

121210Olivia wrote...

Today. 3 randoms, Gold on FB Ghost. One player had a destroyer with a typhoon. Wave 4, he camps next to me (building facing the right courtyard). I played a Fury with a Talon X (Headshredder barrel + scope + AP 1 rounds). It kicks off. Now, he looked the part. And boy, the Typhoon is a good-looking gun that sounds awesome.

But that's where it ends. He had his ass handed to him. Wasn't even phantoms (as I take it upon myself to keep them at bay -- especially, with the Fury). No, sadly he was mocked by a centurion who seemed impervious to what was flying out of the business end of his Tyfooln. Needless to say, I put one point blank in the impertinent centurion's swede and resuscitated my crestfallen squad mate.
"kerchink- blat, blat, blat thump (as his broken body hits the deck).

Tell him, or the many others like him, there is nothing wrong with the Tyfooln and that it's fine.

Well, "one guy" tell me where I misunderstood you. You saw a Typhoon equipped Destroyer fail and die, no?