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How this thread has not been locked yet due to the excessive flaming, and trolling is beyond me.
Keep the lulz coming guys, this thread is a real laugh riot.
5 stars.
The Typhoon is fine
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#176
Posté 19 août 2012 - 08:38
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#177
Posté 19 août 2012 - 02:21
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I am in the camp that the weapon was overnerfed. While I certainly think it was too strong on release, I do not understand why bioware didnt reduce it to 1.75 damage instead of 1.5.
As it stands now its just not very good.
As it stands now its just not very good.
#178
Posté 19 août 2012 - 02:31
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Its not very good only in comparison to other UR. If thats the main issue, there are a lot of rares that are much easier to obtain (pirahna-reegar-claymore) That do alot better than some UR (Paladin, Wraith, Saber).Valiantheart99 wrote...
I am in the camp that the weapon was overnerfed. While I certainly think it was too strong on release, I do not understand why bioware didnt reduce it to 1.75 damage instead of 1.5.
As it stands now its just not very good.
The gun was being overused because it was TO powerfull. No matter how you see it, there were TO MANY people abusing the gun.
From someone who only played with the gun after the nerf, I honestly don't see how people feel so hurt over it. The gun is still rediculously powerfull. Any more powerfull and EVERYONE would still be using it, at level 1s. Now the gun just shines in higher levels. Some guns are better, lol, but imo the scorpion ~talon~paladin all share the same story and no ones complaining about them because they weren't... whats the word.... OVERPOWERED.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 01:12
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It wasn't overpowered pre-nerf. If you didn't have it pre-nerf you DO NOT DESERVE to comment on whether or not it was OP pre-nerf.
Specter's video showed the Typhoon at LEVEL 10 (!!!!) With Warp rounds 4 and an AR Amp, with Devastator mode specced for the most DPS possible. When you have a weapon-synergy class SPECCED for ultra-DPS, an ULTRA-RARE weapon at level 10 (!!!!) and the best consumables you can equip, the weapon will appear to be extremely powerful. (Shocking I know).
But hey guess what, not everyone had the Typhoon at level 10 and not everyone has stacks of level 4 warp/AP ammo just lying around to use every single match.
Having used the gun both pre- and post-nerf, I can say that the piercing nerf was warranted, but the reduction in damage certainly was not. Shotguns already dominate the ME3 MP scene. The Typhoon is outclassed in general usefulness by these (just off the top of my head) RARE (not ultra-rare) shotguns: GPS, Claymore, Piranha. A high-level Revenant is now able to perform nearly as well as a low-mid level Typhoon while being 20 x easier to get upgrades for.
This is a problem with ultra-rares in general, they are ultra-rare. They should outperform rares. Most of them do not.
It wasn't overpowered pre-nerf. If you didn't have it pre-nerf you DO NOT DESERVE to comment on whether or not it was OP pre-nerf.
Specter's video showed the Typhoon at LEVEL 10 (!!!!) With Warp rounds 4 and an AR Amp, with Devastator mode specced for the most DPS possible. When you have a weapon-synergy class SPECCED for ultra-DPS, an ULTRA-RARE weapon at level 10 (!!!!) and the best consumables you can equip, the weapon will appear to be extremely powerful. (Shocking I know).
But hey guess what, not everyone had the Typhoon at level 10 and not everyone has stacks of level 4 warp/AP ammo just lying around to use every single match.
Having used the gun both pre- and post-nerf, I can say that the piercing nerf was warranted, but the reduction in damage certainly was not. Shotguns already dominate the ME3 MP scene. The Typhoon is outclassed in general usefulness by these (just off the top of my head) RARE (not ultra-rare) shotguns: GPS, Claymore, Piranha. A high-level Revenant is now able to perform nearly as well as a low-mid level Typhoon while being 20 x easier to get upgrades for.
This is a problem with ultra-rares in general, they are ultra-rare. They should outperform rares. Most of them do not.
#180
Posté 20 août 2012 - 01:15
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Typhoon isn't much if any better than the Revenant which is sad. Anultra-rare should be far superiror to the Rare counter part not on par .....
#181
Posté 20 août 2012 - 01:27
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The Typhoon is the best sniper rifle in the game.
Doesn't even need the Stability mod. Pretty much the only reason I take it over the Revenant.
Doesn't even need the Stability mod. Pretty much the only reason I take it over the Revenant.
#182
Posté 20 août 2012 - 01:54
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Specter's video shawcased a Typhoon performance on Platinum, wasn't it? Do we really need to balance everything based on Platinum instead of Gold? Kill an atlas on platinum in 12 second is damn impressive for a gun/class combination.
I can use Typhoon II with destroyer spec for DPS with proper mod and ammo to kill an atlas with 1 clip, on gold - pretty good for a gun.
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
I can use Typhoon II with destroyer spec for DPS with proper mod and ammo to kill an atlas with 1 clip, on gold - pretty good for a gun.
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 02:26
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Someone made a video of just this, the revenant shakes all over the place visually but it's not a whole let lesss accurate, when you take into account the ramp up required for the typhoons fulll damage the revenant is a better all around weapon, it's a lot better at killing mooks.kmmd60 wrote...
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
Typhoon was a boss killer and now it's not even as good at doing that anymore.
#184
Posté 20 août 2012 - 02:27
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lol lvl3 warp ammo on it yea put lvl3 warp ammo on anything and it owns try using it with no ammo cards its just why would i use this when i got the Harrier
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 02:51
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@Ronnie
It wasn't overpowered pre-nerf. If you didn't have it pre-nerf you DO NOT DESERVE to comment on whether or not it was OP pre-nerf.
Specter's video showed the Typhoon at LEVEL 10 (!!!!) With Warp rounds 4 and an AR Amp, with Devastator mode specced for the most DPS possible. When you have a weapon-synergy class SPECCED for ultra-DPS, an ULTRA-RARE weapon at level 10 (!!!!) and the best consumables you can equip, the weapon will appear to be extremely powerful. (Shocking I know).
But hey guess what, not everyone had the Typhoon at level 10 and not everyone has stacks of level 4 warp/AP ammo just lying around to use every single match.
Having used the gun both pre- and post-nerf, I can say that the piercing nerf was warranted, but the reduction in damage certainly was not. Shotguns already dominate the ME3 MP scene. The Typhoon is outclassed in general usefulness by these (just off the top of my head) RARE (not ultra-rare) shotguns: GPS, Claymore, Piranha. A high-level Revenant is now able to perform nearly as well as a low-mid level Typhoon while being 20 x easier to get upgrades for.
This is a problem with ultra-rares in general, they are ultra-rare. They should outperform rares. Most of them do not.
I had it pre nerf and with appropriate mods even at level III it shredded bosses very fast. Post nerf it took roughly double the time. It needs to be fixed so that the damage percentages always apply and it needs a slight buff in damage. Making it roughly halfway between what it was and what it is now would be reasonable.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 02:52
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I FINALLY unlocked the Typhoon I Friday night. I strapped it onto a Destroyer, put on AR Rail Amp III and Incendiary Ammo IV to give it its best chance to impress me. Probably because I have seen videos of it pre nerf in action, I shed a tear for the poor gun.
It was pretty good for taking out swarmers and husks though.
PPR & Harrier are both better. The Revenant is not too far behind the Typhoon. I actually think the Revenant X is better than the Typhoon I. Sad, really. I think they should have decreased the damage slightly instead of the damage multiplier, if they were going to do anything to the gun at all.
It was pretty good for taking out swarmers and husks though.
PPR & Harrier are both better. The Revenant is not too far behind the Typhoon. I actually think the Revenant X is better than the Typhoon I. Sad, really. I think they should have decreased the damage slightly instead of the damage multiplier, if they were going to do anything to the gun at all.
#187
Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:03
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I am with Mr. Crapper. I just unlocked the Typhoon and was underwhelmed by it....even on the Destroyer. The Saber and Harrier are much better guns. It was fun to try though, but the damage just isn't there, and you are out of cover too long on Gold/Platinum IMO.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:04
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kmmd60 wrote...
Specter's video shawcased a Typhoon performance on Platinum, wasn't it? Do we really need to balance everything based on Platinum instead of Gold? Kill an atlas on platinum in 12 second is damn impressive for a gun/class combination.
I can use Typhoon II with destroyer spec for DPS with proper mod and ammo to kill an atlas with 1 clip, on gold - pretty good for a gun.
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
Well, I am not sure about the claim you can take out an Atlas with full shields in one clip from the Typhoon II. In Gamemako's video here it took more than one clip and he is at close range and probably did not miss any shots. I recently tested in on Gold to look at its performance.
Destroyer, Devasator Mode accuracy//rate of fire// shields, Typhoon 9, Barrage V, Stability Mod V, Extended Barrel V, Warp Ammo IV, AR rail 3, CM 3. We got London/Cerberus/Gold and I was on the upper level shooting at several Atlases a good way away, and also one that got on that upper level. I could definately take them out in two clips, but never one.
It is possible that there was an engineer in there that I did not see, but I don't think so.
Also, unless a phantom had their barriers taken out, I would lose every time to them if I tried the typhoon to take them out. I ended up using the GPS almost the entire match.
Also, the bit about accuracy and making headshots from across the map - I went to Giant ( same setup as my London Gold match, but without the consumables ), took a position outside the control room far right from the LZ, docked into cover on that little cover by the stairs - no way could you headshot anything other than with luck. I was shooting at that number symbol you can see by the LZ.
Edit: tl;dr I felt I wasted an AR Rail 3 for this match for the Typhoon. Earlier I did better using the Harrier without an AR Rail ( was testing the Hurricane and used an smg rail 3 ) with Thermal Clip mod and running to the ammo boxes.
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#189
Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:08
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Well sure, a freaking locust will melt something on gold if you put every mod imaginable on it. The Typhoon has ridiculous ammo consumption and recoil, which IMO perfectly balance it.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:19
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Well, I watched that video of perfect imbalance and while I am still waiting on the Typhoon, if it was more powerful than the revenant (not game breakingly powerful though) before and is not now, then the nerf was a bad one, for an ultra rare should be something that people want for its better specs. That's my two cents and that's also kind of a general statement that could be fitted here lol.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:29
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A terrible comparison, and, no, a locust will not melt anything, even all tricked out with appropriate, high level consumables.Impulse and Compulse wrote...
Well sure, a freaking locust will melt something on gold if you put every mod imaginable on it. The Typhoon has ridiculous ammo consumption and recoil, which IMO perfectly balance it.
The point is, the Typhoon is not worth it anymore. It may be pretty good in a few cases, but it is far from recommended when using it as it was intended, a boss killer. It was supposed to be the other savior of the ARs alongside the Harrier. Now it will just collect dust.
Why would you take the Typhoon over the Harrier or PPR? Why would you take it over the Revenant?
Trust me. I really wanted to like it. Every boss I shot at was just disappointment after disappointment. I can only hope that it will be buffed by the time I level it up some more.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:30
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RiflemanUK wrote...
Someone made a video of just this, the revenant shakes all over the place visually but it's not a whole let lesss accurate, when you take into account the ramp up required for the typhoons fulll damage the revenant is a better all around weapon, it's a lot better at killing mooks.kmmd60 wrote...
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
Typhoon was a boss killer and now it's not even as good at doing that anymore.
Saw that vid a few days ago, a test between Revenant and Typhoon shooting at landing pad on white. Shooting hipfire, no cover is a bad example of testing. Both weapons require cover to be effective. If someone tested them that way and climed that both guns got same precision, it's an incomplete testing with biased setting.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 03:42
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kmmd60 wrote...
RiflemanUK wrote...
Someone made a video of just this, the revenant shakes all over the place visually but it's not a whole let lesss accurate, when you take into account the ramp up required for the typhoons fulll damage the revenant is a better all around weapon, it's a lot better at killing mooks.kmmd60 wrote...
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
Typhoon was a boss killer and now it's not even as good at doing that anymore.
Saw that vid a few days ago, a test between Revenant and Typhoon shooting at landing pad on white. Shooting hipfire, no cover is a bad example of testing. Both weapons require cover to be effective. If someone tested them that way and climed that both guns got same precision, it's an incomplete testing with biased setting.
A simple 3 and out on gold or silver is a good enough test. Before though there is any mucking with buffs or nerfs, there are some big bugs that need fixing.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 04:24
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kmmd60 wrote...
RiflemanUK wrote...
Someone made a video of just this, the revenant shakes all over the place visually but it's not a whole let lesss accurate, when you take into account the ramp up required for the typhoons fulll damage the revenant is a better all around weapon, it's a lot better at killing mooks.kmmd60 wrote...
Revenant real DPS is a lot worse than Typhoon since the gun can't shoot straight - you lose lots, lots of bullet without accuracy buff from certain classes. Same destroyer/same setup with the mentioned Typhoon - It can't kill gold atlas in one clip.
Typhoon was a boss killer and now it's not even as good at doing that anymore.
Saw that vid a few days ago, a test between Revenant and Typhoon shooting at landing pad on white. Shooting hipfire, no cover is a bad example of testing. Both weapons require cover to be effective. If someone tested them that way and climed that both guns got same precision, it's an incomplete testing with biased setting.
Sensible people don't use cover when dealing with bosses (which is the only thing to use the Typhoon for. I hope you understand that.
Soft cover > Hard cover when dealing with bosses. You can't get hit if you do soft cover correctly, you'll still get hit using hard cover. And the Typhoon actually benefits very little from using hard cover.
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 05:20
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Tested at 20m range from Black widow. Krogan sentinel with Revenant VS Typhoon. Fired from cover, both hipfire and aim. Manually managed the recoil.
Revenant, aimed
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Revenant, hipfire
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Typhoon, aimed
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Typhoon, hipfire
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Edit more comparison, noticed that it's damn small.
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Revenant, aimed
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Revenant, hipfire
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Typhoon, aimed
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Typhoon, hipfire
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Edit more comparison, noticed that it's damn small.
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
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Posté 20 août 2012 - 01:16
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kmmd60 wrote...
Tested at 20m range from Black widow. Krogan sentinel with Revenant VS Typhoon. Fired from cover, both hipfire and aim. Manually managed the recoil.
Revenant, aimed
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Revenant, hipfire
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Typhoon, aimed
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Typhoon, hipfire
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Edit more comparison, noticed that it's damn small.
http://desmond.image...png&res=landing
Nice work, seriously. I am the guy that made that hip fire video revenant vs typhoon. This test is a shorter distance than my test but it also demonstrates, that even with firing from hard cover, at longer distances you won't be able to get headshots on anything other than an Atlas.
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Posté 21 août 2012 - 12:14
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Great test with pics, thanx! Confirms my feel that Typhoon is still better than Revenant
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Posté 21 août 2012 - 12:20
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Regarding the comments earlier that rate of fire is locked to frame rate, how is it on PC where frame rate varies? Do you get more out of smaller ROF-increases that are not enough to push ROF up to the 900-mark?
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Posté 21 août 2012 - 12:32
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Dokteur Kill wrote...
Regarding the comments earlier that rate of fire is locked to frame rate, how is it on PC where frame rate varies? Do you get more out of smaller ROF-increases that are not enough to push ROF up to the 900-mark?
I'm on PC and I can get around 1200RPM on a hot Typhoon using Hunter mode on GI.
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