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[Massa FX]

I'm with you garrus. Prequels usually fail. A ME prequel wouldn't/couldn't be compelling enough to interest the majority.

At the same time a different protagonist during Shepard's timeline would just make me pine for Shepard.

If they could do a game post Shepard without vilifying her choices I would be interested.

[The Angry One]

Seifer006 wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

do you realize that Drew had worse concept of an ending?

It's not like just because Drew left the game failed.

Worse according to you.
Moreover, good job comparing a vague, incomplete story outline to a supposedly finished job.
Then again attempting to compare Walters' ending to anything resembling a complete work would backfire so badly it's no wonder you don't do it.

lol

wow.

im not even going to continue this.

If you're not even going to make an effort to make the usual blind defences  you're going to have to hand in your white knight badge.

Modifié par The Angry One, 18 août 2012 - 09:34 .

[Seifer006]

JonnHatch wrote...

Seifer006 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

JonnHatch wrote...

Anyone read the Mass Effect novel Revelation? It was awesome. If they could make a prequel tha'ts as good as that book, I'm all for it. Honestly, I want new Mass Effect games til I'm 60. And then, I'll just start all over again.

That writer is sadly gone from BW.

do you realize that Drew had worse concept of an ending?

It's not like just because Drew left the game failed.

I feel like maybe if he stayed, he would have been more into the series ending.. I read what he was originaly intending, but I would like to believe that he would have pulled off something better than that in the end. But, I'm also really oveerly optimistic haha. I don't necessarily like the whole "Dark Energy" idea either.

man. For me, the ending I actually "expected" since I thought ME1,2 built up for us fans was another Suicide Mission Part 2.

Where we would go to "dark-space" Fight Harbinger, find a Virus or something to kill the Reapers. Also, maybe have a better understanding of their Origins......

imo this would be Epic.
but I guess Casper the Ghost was a better idea......

[Blitzhawk65]

JonnHatch wrote...

I think all of us have our own idea of what would have made a better ending. But THAT is what makes all of us unique. Any ending to a series where ultimately YOU choose your own path can't have a complete ending that will satisfy everyone. And think about this everybody, just be glad that we are creative enough to imagine a better ending. I saw one of you guys mention Deus Ex: HR. I LOVED that game, but the ending was freaking HORRID. It's like they had this decent story, great game, and then BAM just stopped caring enough to give it a good ending. At least Mass Effect 3 HAS an ending. Deus Ex HR, in MY opinion ( I respect you guys' opinions if you disagree) does not have an ending yet.

I didn't mind Deus Ex: HR's ending.

Deus Ex: HR isn't the end of the story, just that particular chapter.  I would venture to guess that we haven't heard the last from Adam Jensen.  Furthermore, Deus Ex: HR's endings may be neatly streamlined for a sequel.  The ending "choices" merely changed the broadcast that was delivered to the world with regard to who was to blame for the Pancaea incident.  The ending videos were merely reflections of Jensen's thoughts as to what could happen and why he made the choice that he did.  Whether the world accepted the version of the broadcast that Jensen delivered, whether the broadcast was actually delivered, or whether the broadcast made the difference that Jensen thought it would is up in the air.  The 4th ending (everybody dies) may easily be ignored or it may be shown that Pancaea did not explode as intended (it is never actually shown on screen).  Ultimately the ending choice came down to which broadcast to send out and could easily fall on deaf ears and leave Jensen picking up where he left off with the next game.  In contrast, ME3's ending shows direct consequences on the entire galaxy that are cannot be streamlined into one neat ending.

Deus Ex: HR is an example of a good prequel, but there is also a good chance that it leads to a Deus Ex reboot that will ultimately negate Invisible War.

[r3apz515]

I wouldnt mind one, GoW made one, this as many others wouldnt be so bad, actually a version of the Prothean war would be cool, playing as Cmdr Javik.

[BluRay]

i agree with the op,prequel will be a fail

[JimJamBimBam]

Well, I'd prefer if they stretch out ME3 with DLC for a good two years or maybe even more, and then possibly build the next game for the next gen of consoles, whether it be prequel, spin-off or sequel.

[devSin]

anorling wrote...

The question is, can Mass Effect go on with the current endings in mind?

I see no room for a sequel without... trivializing the current endings.
One does not simply handwave away synthesis and start ME4 by saying "many of the details have been lost in time herp derp". That would be a great way for Bioware to undermine their own so called "difficult and big choices".

Apparently, if there ever is a sequel, synthesis will be canon. If you didn't pick it, then you can just assume it happened naturally:

FFZero wrote...

Jessica pretty much said the endings we have are 100% final and if we think anything will be added to the endings after the final choice then we have misunderstood things. She equated the ending of ME3 to Schrödinger's cat, it can be IT or it can be literal, neither is right or wrong. She also said something I find quite disturbing. The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later. She said if they were to set a Mass Effect game in the future Synthesis will have taken place, either as a consequence of Shepard’s choice or because it’s naturally occurred.

All together now: "F- that!"

Modifié par devSin, 18 août 2012 - 11:26 .

[Peranor]

devSin wrote...

anorling wrote...

The question is, can Mass Effect go on with the current endings in mind?

I see no room for a sequel without... trivializing the current endings.
One does not simply handwave away synthesis and start ME4 by saying "many of the details have been lost in time herp derp". That would be a great way for Bioware to undermine their own so called "difficult and big choices".

Apparently, if there ever is a sequel, synthesis will be canon. If you didn't pick it, then you can just assume it happened naturally:

FFZero wrote...

Jessica pretty much said the endings we have are 100% final and if we think anything will be added to the endings after the final choice then we have misunderstood things. She equated the ending of ME3 to Schrödinger's cat, it can be IT or it can be literal, neither is right or wrong. She also said something I find quite disturbing. The reason why Synthesis is seen as the best ending by some BW people is the fact that like the Starbrat says, it is inevitable. Synthesis will happen sooner or later. She said if they were to set a Mass Effect game in the future Synthesis will have taken place, either as a consequence of Shepard’s choice or because it’s naturally occurred.

All together now: "F- that!"

Not saying that synthesis will be canon. It was just an example. All three endings are pretty different, and some of them more ridiculous then others...
Anyway. They'd have to pick a canon to move forward, and since they've said that there is no canon...

And since all three endings are so final they can't just dismiss and trivializie them in a possible sequel. It would, as I said, undermine their own so called "difficult and big choices".

No, I'm fairly sure that Bioware is determined not to make any sequels. Unless daddy EA says otherwise we're only going to see prequels and silly spin-offs from here on. I hate it, but it's obvious where Bioware wants to go with the ®IP.

[devSin]

Jessica said to that person that if they ever did move forward, synthesis will have occurred. She didn't say maybe or might have, she said it will be true whether you chose it or not.

So if you choose control or destroy, you're only forestalling the inevitable, much the same way as refuse.

Synthesis really is the right choice as far as they're concerned, and that's the future they're going to build if they ever set something after the events of ME3.

[Peranor]

devSin wrote...

Jessica said to that person that if they ever did move forward, synthesis will have occurred. She didn't say maybe or might have, she said it will be true whether you chose it or not.

So if you choose control or destroy, you're only forestalling the inevitable, much the same way as refuse.

Synthesis really is the right choice as far as they're concerned, and that's the future they're going to build if they ever set something after the events of ME3.

Jessica says lots of things though. And she also loves to troll on twitter.

Though it makes sense. Bioware wasn't exactly subtle they way they pushed for synthesis to be the happy happy joy joy ending. /puke

[Gre3nham]

 I think they should go forward with the Destroy ending, simply because Synthesis and Control remove most forms of conflict, I mean, who needs a daring hero when you have spaceships the size of skyscrapers to defend you?

This doesn't make the Destroy ending cannon per say, it's just the ending that was left open. In Synthisis and Control (and refuse, for that matter), It is clearly shown where the universe is headed. Not so with destroy, all you are told is that people will remember the sacrifices of those who died and try to rebuild. Plenty of potential left there.

Personally, I think a game based around a simmilar concept to Firefly would work well. Bioware seems to be good at characters and subplots, so that kind of narrative would really play into their hand. The player could choose their race (within reason), collect a motly crew of misfits and spunky teenagers and fight against a smaller scale, more personal threat.

Anyway, just my two cents. 

[ForceXev]

Prequels are terrible, especially in a science fiction story with big stakes. Imagine if the current trilogy had been a prequel to some other Mass Effect story, then we would have known all along that the Reapers will lose and everything will turn out OK because it has to. There can be no real threat to the galaxy in a ME prequel because we know that the ME trilogy happens later.

Science fiction prequels always suck -- Star Wars prequels, Star Trek: Enterprise, Caprica...
It's a recipe for fail.

As for which ME3 ending would be canon, I think they can easily sidestep that question.  Set the next game about 100 years into the future, leave the Geth and Quarians out of picture (they'd be busy building up Rannoch and minding their own business), and don't feature any characters or storylines about synthetics (it's been done to death in the original trilogy anyway).

Modifié par ForceXev, 19 août 2012 - 01:11 .

[AsheraII]

If done right, a sequel will allow people to simply import their savegame, regardless of ending, and ME4 would tie together all the different shapes of the universe into one single new ending. If I can think up one way to do it, then I'm sure some professional writers can think up multiple ways of doing it.

Your savegame would basically dictate your "start location" within the game. And though Shepard could definitely play a role in it, Shepard wouldn't be the protagonist, but only make some cameos.
And while your personal decisions wouldn't be trivialized, so wouldn't those of other players.

[Peranor]

ForceXev wrote...

Prequels are terrible, especially in a science fiction story with big stakes. Imagine if the current trilogy had been a prequel to some other Mass Effect story, then we would have known all along that the Reapers will lose and everything will turn out OK because it has to. There can be no real threat to the galaxy in a ME prequel because we know that the ME trilogy happens later.

Science fiction prequels always suck -- Star Wars prequels, Star Trek: Enterprise, Caprica...
It's a recipe for fail.

As for which ME3 ending would be canon, I think they can easily sidestep that question.  Set the next game about 100 years into the future, leave the Geth and Quarians out of picture (they'd be busy building up Rannoch and minding their own business), and don't feature any characters or storylines about synthetics (it's been done to death in the original trilogy anyway).

Will I get a forum ban if I say that I actually enjoyed most parts of Star Trek: Enterprise? Well... Except the ending...

[Montana]

Yes, no prequels please.
Then I defenately won't buy any more ME games.

[Hackulator]

ITT: OP gives his opinion without any real explanation, expects us to all back him.

Honestly, a prequel would make a lot more sense than a sequel at this point, unless they COMPLETELY abandon their policy of avoiding things from the games being canon. I would even be down with a Prequel where you play Javik and his squad. obviously you know how it ends but I don't think that prevents telling a good story.

[Jamie9]

I'd like to see a prequel before possibly getting a new duology/trilogy.

No, I do not think playing in the Prothean era would suck. I also think the First Contact War would be interesting.

To progress into the future, you must understand the past.

[Binary_Helix 1]

A sequel would be retarded. They need to undo the current endings not cement them into the lore. A sequel set far into the future is also stupid and reeks of Star Wars expanded universe crap. A prequel is the only thing worthwhile hopefully followed by a reboot. Deux Ex Human Revolution was a prequel and a major success and revived that dead universe.

Modifié par Binary_Helix 1, 19 août 2012 - 02:08 .

[Jamie9]

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

A sequel would be retarded. They need to undo the current endings not cement them into the lore. A sequel set far into the future is also stupid and reeks of Star Wars expanded universe crap. A prequel is the only thing worthwhile hopefully followed by a reboot. Deux Ex Human Revolution was a prequel and a major success and revived that dead universe.

Star Wars expanded universe didn't go far into the future. The first novel post-original trilogy, "Heir to the Empire", was set 5 years after "Return of the Jedi".

Since 1991, the novels have only progressed 40 years after the original trilogy, and almost every year is covered.

Yes, I'm a Star Wars fan.

Also, to add to the prequels being good - Halo: Reach had the best story in the games IMO.

[sheppard7]

ME4 will be about Coats (sp?). It will show what all happened on Earth and we'd be sure to hear Anderson telling him about being born in London I bet at least 3 times.

[devSin]

Speezy wrote...

Jessica isn't a writer, nor she does work on the games. Jessica is a PR person.

Not a very good one apparently, because she always manages to ****** off the fanbase every time she says something and has shown before that she  has no idea what she is talking about (see the comments about the crew being stranded on Mars)

I really don't see it. When she was speculating about what really happens in the ending, yes, she didn't have a clue what she was talking about (inasmuch as there even are answers for anything in that mess). But this isn't trying to guess what is going to happen or trying to placate somebody—I can't think of any way that "synthesis is the future of Mass Effect" would just be something made up on the spot.

It's always been clear in the game that this is what BioWare wanted, and it seems clear with her statement that it's still the case (she's not a writer, true, but she does have access to information on products under development). Synthesis is the true ending to the trilogy, and any future events will be in a synthesized galaxy, whether you chose it or not.

If you didn't choose synthesis, you chose the path that will simply make the inevitable harder to achieve. But it's going to happen anyway, no thanks to Shepard the shortsighted fool, who turned away from the path to peace and enlightenment.

Modifié par devSin, 19 août 2012 - 02:27 .

[Hackulator]

Jamie9 wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

A sequel would be retarded. They need to undo the current endings not cement them into the lore. A sequel set far into the future is also stupid and reeks of Star Wars expanded universe crap. A prequel is the only thing worthwhile hopefully followed by a reboot. Deux Ex Human Revolution was a prequel and a major success and revived that dead universe.

Star Wars expanded universe didn't go far into the future. The first novel post-original trilogy, "Heir to the Empire", was set 5 years after "Return of the Jedi".

Since 1991, the novels have only progressed 40 years after the original trilogy, and almost every year is covered.

Yes, I'm a Star Wars fan.

Also, to add to the prequels being good - Halo: Reach had the best story in the games IMO.

I think maybe she was referring to the legacy era? They jumped like, 150 years into the future for that piece of crap. The extended universe was awesome until the new movies started ruining everything.