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[Lotion Soronarr]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
Power is in general highly corruptive if you let it be.

Not all power is equally corruptive.

Blood magic isn't evil in the "direct" sense.
But things like mind control? The power and temptation/corruption it brings?

There's no way I'd trust anyone - ANYONE, EVER - with it.
Not myself, not my mother, not my beast friend, not Ghandi, not Mother Therresa, Not Pope John Paul the second.
No human being, period.

In that sense it is evil. No good can really come from it in the end.

[Blood drinker 7777]

it was a simple story for anime and i hated how little magic the use in it

[Treacherous J Slither]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
Power is in general highly corruptive if you let it be.

Not all power is equally corruptive.

Blood magic isn't evil in the "direct" sense.
But things like mind control? The power and temptation/corruption it brings?

There's no way I'd trust anyone - ANYONE, EVER - with it.
Not myself, not my mother, not my beast friend, not Ghandi, not Mother Therresa, Not Pope John Paul the second.
No human being, period.

In that sense it is evil. No good can really come from it in the end.

So if someone has the power to control minds they simply can't be trusted huh? You ever heard of Professor Charles Xavier from the Marvel comic X-Men? He posesses vast psychic power and would put every single blood mage in Dragon Age to shame. Do you believe he's evil and corrupted?

[R2s Muse]

Uinen03 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

The bad Templar battling Cassandra mentions the "events on Kirkwall" so it has to have taken place after DA2.

I thought this, too.  I was terribly confused, until I did some research into Kirkwall's history.  She could be referring to another incident.  For example, how the Magisters were responsible for the city's slave trade or maybe Viscount Perrin's attempt to expel the templar order from Kirkwall.

Wow,  you nailed it, Uinen03, apparently David Gaider just tweeted that it was the Perrin Threnhold rebellion in 9:21! That changes quite a few things... apparently Cassandra *was* quite young during the movie.

[Foolsfolly]

JSlither wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
Power is in general highly corruptive if you let it be.

Not all power is equally corruptive.

Blood magic isn't evil in the "direct" sense.
But things like mind control? The power and temptation/corruption it brings?

There's no way I'd trust anyone - ANYONE, EVER - with it.
Not myself, not my mother, not my beast friend, not Ghandi, not Mother Therresa, Not Pope John Paul the second.
No human being, period.

In that sense it is evil. No good can really come from it in the end.

So if someone has the power to control minds they simply can't be trusted huh? You ever heard of Professor Charles Xavier from the Marvel comic X-Men? He posesses vast psychic power and would put every single blood mage in Dragon Age to shame. Do you believe he's evil and corrupted?

In the last decade or so in the comics they've been darkening Xavier. His manipulations and ignoring emergent lifeforms so he could continue with his own agendas. It was needed to make Xavier interesting as a character and to force Cylcops to grow as a leader.

He's not Nick Fury's shade of grey but he's closer to grey than white now.

[Treacherous J Slither]

Foolsfolly wrote...

JSlither wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
Power is in general highly corruptive if you let it be.

Not all power is equally corruptive.

Blood magic isn't evil in the "direct" sense.
But things like mind control? The power and temptation/corruption it brings?

There's no way I'd trust anyone - ANYONE, EVER - with it.
Not myself, not my mother, not my beast friend, not Ghandi, not Mother Therresa, Not Pope John Paul the second.
No human being, period.

In that sense it is evil. No good can really come from it in the end.

So if someone has the power to control minds they simply can't be trusted huh? You ever heard of Professor Charles Xavier from the Marvel comic X-Men? He posesses vast psychic power and would put every single blood mage in Dragon Age to shame. Do you believe he's evil and corrupted?

In the last decade or so in the comics they've been darkening Xavier. His manipulations and ignoring emergent lifeforms so he could continue with his own agendas. It was needed to make Xavier interesting as a character and to force Cylcops to grow as a leader.

He's not Nick Fury's shade of grey but he's closer to grey than white now.

Ah, that's interesting. I haven't been keeping up. Despite his power and current "grayness" he's not a bad guy right? You'd trust him to use his power for good right?

[thats1evildude]

R2s Muse wrote...

Wow,  you nailed it, Uinen03, apparently David Gaider just tweeted that it was the Perrin Threnhold rebellion in 9:21! That changes quite a few things... apparently Cassandra *was* quite young during the movie.

My mind, she is blown. 

[Renmiri1]

Oooo

Fixed my video description to correct the facts

[TEWR]

Lotion_Soronnar wrote...

No good can really come from it in the end.

Feynriel would beg to differ, considering he used mind control to prevent a woman from being gangraped by a bunch of bandits. A virgin woman, I'll add.
 
The only thing that really could count as being "not good" from that scenario is that Feynriel got a stalker. But that's irrelevant to mind control really.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 30 août 2012 - 06:58 .

[Fallstar]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Not all power is equally corruptive.

Blood magic isn't evil in the "direct" sense.
But things like mind control? The power and temptation/corruption it brings?

There's no way I'd trust anyone - ANYONE, EVER - with it.
Not myself, not my mother, not my beast friend, not Ghandi, not Mother Therresa, Not Pope John Paul the second.
No human being, period.

In that sense it is evil. No good can really come from it in the end.

The school of spirit contains lots of mind control spells. In addition, Anders summons demons without the use of blood magic. Those exact same 'corrpting powers' are available to all mages, blood magic just offers an alternative way of using them, and an alternative source of power to mana.

I'm referring to Anders summoning two shades (hunger demons) during Legacy, and I'm talking about how you can put someone to sleep, cause them to have nightmares, cause them to see things that aren't really there, and make people attack their allies indiscriminately with the schools of spirit and entropy.

Indeed, I'd argue that the 'allowed' schools of magic are more about pure mind control; the blood magic spell allows you to control your targets blood, allowing you to force them to do things they don't want to do, but they are still aware of what they are doing, as shown when that blood mage tries to make Hawke kill himself during DA2.

However the schools of spirit and entropy offer pure mind control; the victim isn't even aware that what he is doing goes against his own will. They influence the actual mind, not just the blood.

Modifié par DuskWarden, 30 août 2012 - 09:30 .

[Foolsfolly]

JSlither wrote...

Foolsfolly wrote...

JSlither wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
Power is in general highly corruptive if you let it be.

Not all power is equally corruptive.

Blood magic isn't evil in the "direct" sense.
But things like mind control? The power and temptation/corruption it brings?

There's no way I'd trust anyone - ANYONE, EVER - with it.
Not myself, not my mother, not my beast friend, not Ghandi, not Mother Therresa, Not Pope John Paul the second.
No human being, period.

In that sense it is evil. No good can really come from it in the end.

So if someone has the power to control minds they simply can't be trusted huh? You ever heard of Professor Charles Xavier from the Marvel comic X-Men? He posesses vast psychic power and would put every single blood mage in Dragon Age to shame. Do you believe he's evil and corrupted?

In the last decade or so in the comics they've been darkening Xavier. His manipulations and ignoring emergent lifeforms so he could continue with his own agendas. It was needed to make Xavier interesting as a character and to force Cylcops to grow as a leader.

He's not Nick Fury's shade of grey but he's closer to grey than white now.

Ah, that's interesting. I haven't been keeping up. Despite his power and current "grayness" he's not a bad guy right? You'd trust him to use his power for good right?

...yeah. Like he's never going to want to hurt people. He just has a pro-mutant agenda and sometimes the power he has needs to be used. But the guy lives in a mansion surrounded by scantily clad teenagers and he's never absed his powers on them.

So, he's still trust worthy. Just no longer a saintly deus ex machina.

[thats1evildude]

Professor Xavier Likes Watching Teenagers Sweat.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 31 août 2012 - 08:45 .

[TEWR]

DuskWarden wrote...
The school of spirit contains lots of mind control spells. In addition, Anders summons demons without the use of blood magic. Those exact same 'corrpting powers' are available to all mages, blood magic just offers an alternative way of using them, and an alternative source of power to mana.

I'm referring to Anders summoning two shades (hunger demons) during Legacy, and I'm talking about how you can put someone to sleep, cause them to have nightmares, cause them to see things that aren't really there, and make people attack their allies indiscriminately with the schools of spirit and entropy.

Indeed, I'd argue that the 'allowed' schools of magic are more about pure mind control; the blood magic spell allows you to control your targets blood, allowing you to force them to do things they don't want to do, but they are still aware of what they are doing, as shown when that blood mage tries to make Hawke kill himself during DA2.

While it's true that the Spirit School of Magic does allow mind control -- it's a point I've brought up a few times before -- blood magic does allow mind control as well. See the Scrolls of Banastor codex, where it's told how one learns the ability. It's not easily done, as it requires becoming an Abomination and Flemething the Demon.

There's also the codex entry on blood magic, which tells us that you can control the minds of others there.

[DarthLaxian]

hm...

IMHO Dawn of the Seeker had more problems then the starter of this threat said...but one of the most obvious was:

we have a - BENEVOLENT - mage who is not even a real battlemage, but more of a spirit-healer-type and he saves the main characters live many times and later on does not even get ANY recognition (beyond it being said: well there were some mages, too...bla bla bla! while cassandra gets ellevated in station!) from the chantry (should have let Cassandra die...she does not even speak up for the mages...don't like such a character at all)...same for the other mages that helped stop the bloodmages and the templars!!!

sorry, but with this chantry i would not want to work either, if i was a mage!

greetings LAX

[Huntress]

"So I've watched the movie and I feel that the movie was mostly atrocious."

agree.

If you need the dragon hunters you shouldn't kill the family, it doesn't make sense..

Mages in Orlais are very submisive so that probably means there are less tranquils in Orlais!!.. meh.
But maybe they are from Loyalists group who follow the Chantry's and are known for accepting the Chantry and the templars to rule over them.

I did like the armors and Cassandra going duel wield.. hehe! but thats all, the hats and the rest of the movie its just bad.

[berelinde]

Everyone is entitled to an opinion (or, since they're free, as many opinions as they like), but I didn't find DotS to be a crushing disappointment.

Unless I'm mistaken, it was not written by the DA team, so an expectation of slavish attention to lore is probably unreasonable. There were little nits to pick here and there, but the writers seem to have a better understanding of the lore than a lot of players.

The story and characters were rather formulaic (mentor slain, unexpected allies, easily identifiable villain, transparent motives, innocent romance mini-plot). I never really warmed up to Cassandra, but I liked Galyan very much. The plot lacked anything resembling depth, but that too was not unexpected. It's anime. It was never going to be a masterpiece of drama. It promised 90 minutes of fluffy, DA-themed entertainment and as far as I'm concerned, it delivered.

Modifié par berelinde, 08 octobre 2012 - 07:44 .

[TEWR]

berelinde wrote...

It's anime. It was never going to be a masterpiece of drama

The idea that anime is in no way capable of being deep or dramatic is a falsehood. 

Not saying DotS is deep or dramatic. Haven't watched it. But still, to say that anime can never be such isn't accurate.

Modifié par The Ethereal Writer Redux, 13 octobre 2012 - 07:10 .

[IntoTheDarkness]

According to the anime Cassandra is 10 folds stronger than the warden and Hawke fighting together. and the anime is a letdown in plots, characters, details, and etc.

edit: sorry for necromancy I was raging after finishing the anime, didn't check the date.

Modifié par IntoTheDarkness, 16 décembre 2012 - 09:22 .