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[Han Shot First]

Regardless of how well or poorly you think the dream sequences were handled, I think Bioware should be given kudos for having Shepard suffer from PTSD in the fhird chapter. If you are going to create a video game set during a war, even if it is a fictional futuristic one, I think you also need to touch on some realistic themes and not glorify it. One of the things Bioware got right is in not portraying Shepard as a machine whose psyche is immune to the effects of being exposed to prolonged combat.

If you just read the above and are planning to hammer out a reply arguing that Shepard is a big goddamned hero that should have been immune thanks to his past experiences, do yourself a favor and google PTSD. It doesn't work that way. Also while you are at it, google Audie Murphy and  Siegfried Sasson.

Audie Murphy was the most decorated American soldier in World War Two, having been awarded the Medal of Honor, the Distinguished Service Cross, the Silver Star, and the Bronze Star for acts of bravery.

Siegfried Sassoon, the famed poet, was a British officer so recklessly brave during the First World War, that his men affectionately nicknamed him "Mad Jack." He was awarded the Military Cross for bravery, and would likely have been awarded a Victoria Cross as well, if he wasn't so vocally anti-war and critical of both Britian's government and High Command.

Both famously suffered from PTSD.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 18 août 2012 - 06:00 .

[TookYoCookies]

PTSD causes you to have nightmares about little boys?

[tyrvas]

agreed

[hoodaticus]

He should have had PTSD after, you know, dying. This came a little late.

[Han Shot First]

TookYoCookies wrote...

PTSD causes you to have nightmares about little boys?

From my original post:

Regardless of how well or poorly you think the dream sequences were handled, I think Bioware should be given kudos for having Shepard suffer from PTSD in the fhird chapter. If you are going to create a video game set during a war, even if it is a fictional futuristic one, I think you also need to touch on some realistic themes and not glorify it.

This thread isn't about whether or not the dream sequences were handled well.

I think Bioware deserves credit for the attempt, regardless of whether or not it was executed well.

[Ledgend1221]

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

[Vizard355]

The PTSD would have been better used after shepard died in ME2 or the Virmire choice in ME.

[OGWS]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

"the straw that broke the camel's back"

[tyrvas]

TookYoCookies wrote...

PTSD causes you to have nightmares about little boys?

Shepard dream/nightmare is not of little boys, but of a boy he could not save.
The destruction he has witnessed triggers it, he even hears all his dead friends
in the dream.

[Ozida]

Idea was nice. Execution was terrible.

[Mr.House]

The issue with Biowares attempt is they did it far too late and the trigger for it was poorly done and something that would not affect all Shepard's. This is the issue of trying to put forced emotions into the PC when said emotions will conflict with what the player and game has established.

Modifié par Mr.House, 18 août 2012 - 05:49 .

[tyrvas]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

it triggered it, as I mentioned before, he even hears his lost friends in the dream/nightmare.
he even tells Liara how he feels, when asked.

[SpamBot2000]

Using PTSD to force their atrocity ending on Shepard? The merits are debatable.

[spinachdiaper]

Call it what it was, Killing a Child needlessly was gimmick to reel in the Call of Duty crowd and trying to justify it later was the point of the bad dreams

Modifié par spinachdiaper, 18 août 2012 - 05:50 .

[Han Shot First]

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

PTSD doesn't work the way you think it does. See OGWS's post.

In fact repeated exposure to traumatic events makes you more likely to experience symptoms.

[Seifer006]

Ozida wrote...

Idea was nice. Execution was terrible.

[Mr.House]

tyrvas wrote...

TookYoCookies wrote...

PTSD causes you to have nightmares about little boys?

Shepard dream/nightmare is not of little boys, but of a boy he could not save.
The destruction he has witnessed triggers it, he even hears all his dead friends
in the dream.

You mean the boy who outright told her she could not save him? Ya... My Shepard did not care at that point. I just headcanon she was sad about the other people on the shuttle who died and the kid in her nightmares was just messing with her mind, because my Shepard would not care if someone died during something when they outright refused her help and told her so.

The dreams should have been about the friends who have died, Not some random kid who refused help.

Modifié par Mr.House, 18 août 2012 - 05:54 .

[Andy the Black]

Agreed. I seem to recall many saying they though Shep should show signs of PSTD after dyeing in Mass 2.

And I totally get the kid being the... ahem... catalyst to Shep going over the edge. My Uncle is a fire fighter and has unfortunately lost friends, however the thing he says that stays with him the most is the death of little girl.

[xsdob]

spinachdiaper wrote...

Call it what it was, Killing a Child needlessly was gimmick to reel in the Call of Duty crowd and trying to justify it later was the point of the bad dreams

WTF are you talking about?

[xsdob]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Spec Ops: The Line handled this far, far better than ME3 did.

No ones contesting this or saying mass effect 3's was better, but seeng PTSD actually affect a character is not really something done in games, for some strange reason a lot of games where characters should go through it just don't, from my experience anyway.

And besides, it has an unfair advantage of being able to borrow from heart of darkness/apocolyse now.

Modifié par xsdob, 18 août 2012 - 05:56 .

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Ozida wrote...

Idea was nice. Execution was terrible.

Pretty much this.

I also believe Bioware should have had a few subtle cracks already start to show in ME2, as it is, Shepard is simply too stoic in ME2 which makes his PTSD in ME3 appear too sudden and jarring.

Just my two cents.

[SpamBot2000]

Dunno about anyone else, but I don't really need my escapist entertainment to inform me of the fact that war is a horrible, traumatizing thing, especially when it desperately attempts to make me play the mass slaughter-based MP at the same time. The hypocrisy is disturbing.