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[Blueprotoss]

mosesarose wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not being a Grammar Na.zi, but please use "lieing" instead of "lying". 

Not to be a troll or anything,"lying" is the correct pronunciation of the present tense of the word "lie" "lieing" isn't a word.

I apologize then while thats an odd spelling.

mosesarose wrote...

When taking with Garrus and Liara, Shepard expresses his sympathy towards that boy back on Earth. Especially speaking with Garrus. My point was why show his PTSD now, and why does seeing the boy's death triggers it. A colonist Shepard should have showed signs of PTSD earlier, seeing a boy die shouldn't have suddenly triggered PTSD symtoms and an extreme longing to take back earth. When in fact a conlonist Shepard isn't even from Earth. I just feel they should of thought this idea out more befrore using it.

The PTSD is shown in ME3 based on how Shepard has mainly seen soldiers being slaghtered and hasn't seen Earth being invaded before.  It doesn't matter what background you pick before Shepard at that time was at his/her limits. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 03:11 .

[Blueprotoss]

Rifneno wrote...

No.  There's slight signs of survivor guilt, which is related to but not the same thing as PTSD.  There's a bunch of symptoms of PTSD and the only one Shepard clearly has is also a symptom of a bad burrito before bedtime.

Survivor's guilt would be based around the military campaigns that was in character customization.  Again PTSD varies from person to person including syptoms, causes, and damages while thats shown with Shepard.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

"Lieing"? English is not your first language? I wasn't going to talk to you again but you pull grammar and tell me to use a word like "Lieing"? Can you link it for me please, oh Lord and Master of Language You Believe You Are? And yes, I saw you pull the same thing in another thread and there you showed your homerism and fanboi mentality for Bioware as well.

Using Urban Dictionary  or a wiki won't count by the way. Those types of places can be edited to say anything. Oh and since I am asking you to link "lieing" to me, I will link you "lying".

So you're insulting people over a small grammar mistake while I'm surprised you're not insulting yourself based on a real mistake that you did here.

sheppard7 wrote...

After you accused of lying to prove that was not a lie. I'm done with talking to a BW fanboi too blind to see past his own face in this thread. I'll speak to others but not you because it's a brick wall. Have a fun time.

Look at the bold.

sheppard7 wrote...

He just showed how big of an idiot he can be is all. LMAO at "lieing".

You shouldn't become a hypocrite then because you aren't perfect either while its interesting that you railroaded this topic to become a garmmar issue.  That must be the only way to avoid the facts then. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 03:18 .

[10K]

Rifneno wrote...

Again, survivor guilt is a related problem but not PTSD. You can get PTSD from situations where no one dies and no one else is harmed. How do you get survivor guilt from that? You can get them both from one event, but they aren't the same disorder.

PTSD is just a stupid idea that non-IT'ers came up with to explain the dreams. Shepard doesn't have PTSD. The only real symptom he has is nightmares, which is a symptom of dozens of things, indoctrination included. Unlike the OP and everyone agreeing with him, the writers of this series actually know there's more to PTSD than nightmares. That's why the asari commando and Kelly Chambers show other symptoms. Other symptoms that, once again, Shepard does not. Because Shepard does not have PTSD. Diagnosing PTSD from a few nightmares is like diagnosing ebola from a fever.

PTSD or not, the point still remains. Seeing this child die on a planet Shepard may or may not care about, some how trigger these sudden emotions. thoughout the series he sees plenty die and suffer, but only now does it create nighmares and regret. Like I said before, the idea was great but it should have been done earlier and should not have revolved so much around that kid.

Modifié par mosesarose, 20 août 2012 - 03:24 .

[Blueprotoss]

mad825 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

mad825 wrote...

Shepard was suffering from Shell Shock.

It was a good idea however executed every poorly.

Shell Shock is normally related to weapons fire, which this isn't the case.

Just like it doesn't apply here <_<.

In the space of two missions (earth and mars), he has been near or in twos explosions. Not even to mention the constant destruction on earth caused by the Reaper's rays.

Shepard began hallucinating on Earth and the symptoms got progressively worse as the fighting got worse until the every end he cracked for sure.

Shepard had hallucinations before ME3 while shell shock and PTSD is apples and organes.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not being a Grammar Na.zi, but please use "lieing" instead of "lying"..

LMAO

You bring it up and throw it in my face like a know it all.

AND YOU WERE WRONG!

LMAO

If you are going to try to correct people, make sure you are right next time.

As I said, talking to you on the PTSD subject or in that other thread is talking to a blind homer. And nobody can change a blind homer. So that conversation with YOU is over. So only responses you get from me now on will be the Grammar Na.zi line.

And apology accepted on that btw even though it's still funny. And I made more money than you as a writer. LOL

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 03:25 .

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

That too. Spacer taking back Earth feeling would be acceptable though. Military kid so his home can be considered what the parents grew up calling home. Growing up a military kid myself I can relate to that. Hell, I have zero connection to where I was born because by the time I turned four, I had lived in five different places and one of those was because my father went to war and we couldn't follow him there of course.

Thats a straw-mann to say that a Spacer or Colonists isn't connected to the human home world.  Its like saying that all Turians aren't connected to Palaven, Krogans to Tuchunka, Qaurians to Rannoch, and so on.  Btw I don't matter what happed to your father since you comparing present day Earth to a futuristic Earth especially when we're talking about space travel.

sheppard7 wrote... 

My older brother was born in Europe but he doesn't have a personal connection to where he was born because he left there before he was 18 months old as the next born was born in California and she's only 18 months younger than him. He even makes awful stereotypical jokes about that European country to show how much he doesn't feel connected to it.

Yet you're assuming that if this didn't happen with your brother then it wouldn't happen to other people while you and your brother are also showing the ignorance within the US that started one of the American stereotypes.  Btw you're assuming that a planet is comparable to a country while I hope you have paid attention to astronaunts especially when a lot of them get home sick.

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not being a Grammar Na.zi, but please use "lieing" instead of "lying"..

LMAO

You bring it up and throw it in my face like a know it all.

AND YOU WERE WRONG!

LMAO

If you are going to try to correct people, make sure you are right next time.

As I said, talking to you on the PTSD subject or in that other thread is talking to a blind homer. And nobody can change a blind homer. So that conversation with YOU is over. So only responses you get from me now on will be the Grammar Na.zi line.

And apology accepted on that btw even though it's still funny. And I made more money than you as a writer. LOL

I didn't throw it in you're face and I was being polite as possible while I still see you won't add that you made a grammar mistake that specific comment and you don't want to listen to the facts.  Btw you should know that personal experiences don't equal this happened to me or my family then it will happen to everyone.  I never apoogized to you while that apology was directed to mosesarose, which you are not.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 03:39 .

[Blueprotoss]

Rifneno wrote...

Again, survivor guilt is a related problem but not PTSD. You can get PTSD from situations where no one dies and no one else is harmed. How do you get survivor guilt from that? You can get them both from one event, but they aren't the same disorder.

PTSD is just a stupid idea that non-IT'ers came up with to explain the dreams. Shepard doesn't have PTSD. The only real symptom he has is nightmares, which is a symptom of dozens of things, indoctrination included. Unlike the OP and everyone agreeing with him, the writers of this series actually know there's more to PTSD than nightmares. That's why the asari commando and Kelly Chambers show other symptoms. Other symptoms that, once again, Shepard does not. Because Shepard does not have PTSD. Diagnosing PTSD from a few nightmares is like diagnosing ebola from a fever.

This is very true while I see this as PTSD and Indoctrination.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

That too. Spacer taking back Earth feeling would be acceptable though. Military kid so his home can be considered what the parents grew up calling home. Growing up a military kid myself I can relate to that. Hell, I have zero connection to where I was born because by the time I turned four, I had lived in five different places and one of those was because my father went to war and we couldn't follow him there of course.

Thats a straw-mann to say that a Spacer or Colonists isn't connected to the human home world.  Its like saying that all Turians aren't connected to Palaven, Krogans to Tuchunka, Qaurians to Rannoch, and so on.  Btw I don't matter what happed to your father since you comparing present day Earth to a futuristic Earth especially when we're talking about space travel.

sheppard7 wrote... 

My older brother was born in Europe but he doesn't have a personal connection to where he was born because he left there before he was 18 months old as the next born was born in California and she's only 18 months younger than him. He even makes awful stereotypical jokes about that European country to show how much he doesn't feel connected to it.

Yet you're assuming that if this didn't happen with your brother then it wouldn't happen to other people while you and your brother are also showing the ignorance within the US that started one of the American stereotypes.  Btw you're assuming that a planet is comparable to a country while I hope yo have paid attention to astronaunts.

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

I'm not being a Grammar Na.zi, but please use "lieing" instead of "lying"..

LMAO

You bring it up and throw it in my face like a know it all.

AND YOU WERE WRONG!

LMAO

If you are going to try to correct people, make sure you are right next time.

As I said, talking to you on the PTSD subject or in that other thread is talking to a blind homer. And nobody can change a blind homer. So that conversation with YOU is over. So only responses you get from me now on will be the Grammar Na.zi line.

And apology accepted on that btw even though it's still funny. And I made more money than you as a writer. LOL

I didn't throw it in you're face and I was being polite as possible while I still see you won't add that you made a grammar mistake that specific comment and you don't want to listen to the facts.  Btw you should know that personal experiences don't equal this happened to me or my family then it will happen to everyone.  I never apoogized to you while that apology was directed to mosesarose, which you are not.

I didn't say *when* he started the jokes, did I? He started AFTER that particular country made certain Anti-American comments. So you assumed something that again was wrong. You keep racking them up.

How many times can you assume things and not be right?

And the fact you did the "lieing" thing *TO ME* but apologize to someone who points out your flaw actually says VOLUMES on your mentality and issues. You really need therapy for that.

"lieing" instead of "lying"... LOL

[mad825]

Blueprotoss wrote...
 shell shock and PTSD is apples and organes.

Thanks for the psychology lesson [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/angry.png[/smilie]

Shell shock is also know as combat fatigue/stress which is the result of on-going combat (like a world war, go figure) while PTSD is the result of post (after) an traumatic event like experiencing a car crash or being held hostage.

Shepard had hallucinations before ME3 while

And when was this? Arrival? It's made clear that the Kid on earth isn't real.

Modifié par mad825, 20 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

I didn't say *when* he started the jokes, did I? He started AFTER that particular country made certain Anti-American comments. So you assumed something that again was wrong. You keep racking them up.

Contradictions aren't wins just like only focusing on personal experiences.

sheppard7 wrote... 

How many times can you assume things and not be right?

Yet you do it all the time and I haven't done it once on this topic.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And the fact you did the "lieing" thing *TO ME* but apologize to someone who points out your flaw actually says VOLUMES on your mentality and issues. You really need therapy for that.

How did I when you are currently lieing since if this was said by your father or brother then it won't happen to anyone else.  If I need therapy then you would need a lot more treatment then me

sheppard7 wrote... 

"lieing" instead of "lying"... LOL

I guess you'll never act like an adult even when you used "Bioware fanboi".

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 03:56 .

[Blueprotoss]

mad825 wrote...

Shell shock is also know as combat fatigue/stress which is the result of on-going combat while PTSD is the result of post (after) an traumatic event.

Shepard has PTSD and shell shock doesn't generate nightmares.

mad825 wrote... 

And when was this? Arrival? It's made clear that the Kid on earth isn't real.

Indoctrination happened way before ME3 especially when the Normandy 2 has some Reaper tech in it and most likely Shepard has some Reaper tech in him/her.  Its really possible that the kid is an illusion while it still caused PTSD and the IT is still under neither confirmed nor denied status.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

I didn't say *when* he started the jokes, did I? He started AFTER that particular country made certain Anti-American comments. So you assumed something that again was wrong. You keep racking them up.

Contradictions aren't wins just like only focusing on personal experiences.

sheppard7 wrote... 

How many times can you assume things and not be right?

Yet you do it all the time and I haven't done it once on this topic.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And the fact you did the "lieing" thing *TO ME* but apologize to someone who points out your flaw actually says VOLUMES on your mentality and issues. You really need therapy for that.

How did I when you are currently lieing since if this was said by your father or brother then it won't happen to anyone else.  If I need therapy then you would need a lot more treatment then me

sheppard7 wrote... 

"lieing" instead of "lying"... LOL

I guess you'll never act like an adult.

lieing isn't a word, son! And I never said they said it won't happen to anyone else. Quote please.

And the assumptions you made and wrong about: How much I made at writing... if I have military family... etc... ALL WRONG ASSUMPTIONS ON YOUR PART.

And how it goes: If I kicked a friend's dog by mistake and another friend points it out to me, which friend do I owe the apology to? The owner of the dog or just the one who told me I kicked the dog?

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 04:00 .

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

I never said they said it won't happen to anyone else. Quote please.

If thats the case then you wouldn't be here deny the facts coming from multiple people by relying on personal experience.

sheppard7 wrote...  

And the assumptions you made and wrong about: How much I made at writing... if I have military family... etc... ALL WRONG ASSUMPTIONS ON YOUR PART.

I see you missed the point as you act as if it happened to them then it happens to everyone, which that is an assumption.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And how it goes: If I kicked a friend's dog by mistake and another friend points it out to me, which friend do I owe the apology to? The owner of the dog or just the one who told me I kicked the dog?

Neither immaurity nor ignorance will be rewarded by an apology while the apology is based on what mosesarose said not you.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 04:03 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

I never said they said it won't happen to anyone else. Quote please.

If thats the case then you wouldn't be here deny the facts coming from multiple people by relying on personal experience.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And how it goes: If I kicked a friend's dog by mistake and another friend points it out to me, which friend do I owe the apology to? The owner of the dog or just the one who told me I kicked the dog?

Neither immaurity nor ignorance will be rewarded by an apology while the apology is based on what mosesarose said not you.

1. Can't supply the quote? Just say so.

2. Can't answer? Just say so.

"lieing" instead of "lying" LMAO at the failed

And I am here saying Bioware's failed attempt at pulling it off was just that a FAIL. I never said PTSD doesn't exist in the world.

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 04:07 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...
I see you missed the point as you act as if it happened to them then it happens to everyone, which that is an assumption.

No you made many assumptions about my personal life in this thread and they have ALL been wrong. Keep trying though even though Sherlock Holmes has nothing to worry about from your detective work.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

1. Can't supply the quote? Just say so.

2. Can't answer? Just say so.

There are quotes while you still deny and deny just to derail the topic.

sheppard7 wrote... 

"lieing" instead of "lying" LMAO at the failed

"Trolling" isn't the answer here especially when you're insulting people so you aren't wrong with PTSD or home sickness based only on your family experiences.

sheppard7 wrote...

No you made many assumptions about my personal life in this thread and they have ALL been wrong. Keep trying though even though Sherlock Holmes has nothing to worry about from your detective work.

I'm still not many an assumptions and I'm not saying that personal life equals this happens to everyone.  A detective isn't needed to out smart you especially when the name of the game for you is opinion.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 04:10 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...
There are quotes while you still deny and deny just to derail the topic.

Where did I say PTSD does not exist? In Shep? Yeah I don't think Shep should have ever gotten it but that's a fictional character where so many plays shows he/she has no issues with destruction and mayhem. Depends on the Shep.

So quote where I said it doesn't exist in real people please. ONE TIME. show them.

had to edit to add "she" for the FemSheps out there.

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 04:12 .

[iSousek]

This whole thread is still revolving around one of the possible interpretations of his nightmares.

Thing is, you cannot prove that Shepard is suffering from PTSD. Nightmares alone are not proof enough.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Where did I said PTSD does not exist? In Shep? Yeah I don't think Shep should have ever gotten it but that's a fictional character where so many plays shows he has no issues with destruction and mayhem. Depends on the Shep.

You're earlier comments especially when you were comparing the backgrounds for Shepard with what happened in ME3.  It doesn't matter on the Shepard because Shepard is a human and Earth is always the home to humanity.

sheppard7 wrote... 

So quote where I said it doesn't exist in real people please. ONE TIME.

Here.

sheppard7 wrote...

And the guy told me don't lie so this morning woke up and called Major Dad (He retired at major and my dad so I call him that). I asked him how would he feel if I or any of my siblings died and he said "I'd rather be buried myself before that happens." I then asked how would he feel if a random stranger kid he never met was killed and he saw it with his own eyes. "Feel sad for the kid but can't say I'd be as broken up since I don't know him."

[sheppard7]

iSousek wrote...

This whole thread is still revolving around one of the possible interpretations of his nightmares.

Thing is, you cannot prove that Shepard is suffering from PTSD. Nightmares alone are not proof enough.

True.

But Bioware just didn't really pull it off what Shep really is dealing with. It's all head canon with ME3.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Where did I said PTSD does not exist? In Shep? Yeah I don't think Shep should have ever gotten it but that's a fictional character where so many plays shows he has no issues with destruction and mayhem. Depends on the Shep.

You're earlier comments especially when you were comparing the backgrounds for Shepard with what happened in ME3.  It doesn't matter on the Shepard because Shepard is a human and Earth is always the home to humanity.

sheppard7 wrote... 

So quote where I said it doesn't exist in real people please. ONE TIME.

Here.

sheppard7 wrote...

And the guy told me don't lie so this morning woke up and called Major Dad (He retired at major and my dad so I call him that). I asked him how would he feel if I or any of my siblings died and he said "I'd rather be buried myself before that happens." I then asked how would he feel if a random stranger kid he never met was killed and he saw it with his own eyes. "Feel sad for the kid but can't say I'd be as broken up since I don't know him."

That was a quote I said about a convo with my father. It does NOT say PTSD does not exist nor did he say it does not exist. And why did I post that convo? You know. Because you were saying things about how a random stranger kid death would mean more than fellow soldiers and even family. So I posted that to show random stranger kid does NOT mean more than family. Try to find another that actually FITS next time?

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Where did I say PTSD does not exist? In Shep? Yeah I don't think Shep should have ever gotten it but that's a fictional character where so many plays shows he/she has no issues with destruction and mayhem. Depends on the Shep.

Every Shepard is a human and Earth is humanity's home thus everyone will be affected whether way background was used.

sheppard7 wrote... 

So quote where I said it doesn't exist in real people please. ONE TIME. show them.

Here.

sheppard7 wrote...

Not and you have no idea how someone thinks. I can say he felt more pain about the death of my grandmother (HIS MOTHER) than anybody else so far. And been through a war.

Sorry. You're not convincing me.


And COLONIST Shep had family so to say some stranger affects Shep more than family would doesn't work.

Edit: Oh but if your "grandfather" or "uncles" wouldn't feel anything if a family member like YOU died but would got all syndrome over some stranger, that just means they don't like you.

 

[mad825]

Blueprotoss wrote...

mad825 wrote...

Shell shock is also know as combat fatigue/stress which is the result of on-going combat while PTSD is the result of post (after) an traumatic event.

Shepard has PTSD and shell shock doesn't generate nightmares.

Great diagnosis doctor! What else causes nightmares? What are nightmares?

People with SS do get nightmares and often SS is generalised to be PTSD however SS is the result of the now and on-going therefore it effects progressive stress with greater behavioural affects.

Dude, anyone with so much as money worries can get nightmares.

Modifié par mad825, 20 août 2012 - 04:30 .

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

iSousek wrote...

This whole thread is still revolving around one of the possible interpretations of his nightmares.

Thing is, you cannot prove that Shepard is suffering from PTSD. Nightmares alone are not proof enough.

True.

But Bioware just didn't really pull it off what Shep really is dealing with. It's all head canon with ME3.

How is that when this is headcannon not here because what Shepard has is PTSD.

sheppard7 wrote...

That was a quote I said about a convo with my father. It does NOT say PTSD does not exist nor did he say it does not exist. And why did I post that convo? You know. Because you were saying things about how a random stranger kid death would mean more than fellow soldiers and even family. So I posted that to show random stranger kid does NOT mean more than family. Try to find another that actually FITS next time?

You act as if PTSD doesn't exist when its a random civilian and your focus on Shepard before he/she want on active duty as a soldier.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 04:26 .