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[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Where did I say PTSD does not exist? In Shep? Yeah I don't think Shep should have ever gotten it but that's a fictional character where so many plays shows he/she has no issues with destruction and mayhem. Depends on the Shep.

Every Shepard is a human and Earth is humanity's home thus everyone will be affected whether way background was used.

sheppard7 wrote... 

So quote where I said it doesn't exist in real people please. ONE TIME. show them.

Here.

sheppard7 wrote...

Not and you have no idea how someone thinks. I can say he felt more pain about the death of my grandmother (HIS MOTHER) than anybody else so far. And been through a war.

Sorry. You're not convincing me.


And COLONIST Shep had family so to say some stranger affects Shep more than family would doesn't work.

Edit: Oh but if your "grandfather" or "uncles" wouldn't feel anything if a family member like YOU died but would got all syndrome over some stranger, that just means they don't like you.

 

And again, that was to show the comparison of FAMILY death vs random stranger kid death. NOT DISPUTING EXISTANCE OF PTSD. Try again, son. You can try to make apples into oranges in this thread but it's not working.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

iSousek wrote...

This whole thread is still revolving around one of the possible interpretations of his nightmares.

Thing is, you cannot prove that Shepard is suffering from PTSD. Nightmares alone are not proof enough.

True.

But Bioware just didn't really pull it off what Shep really is dealing with. It's all head canon with ME3.

How is that when this is headcannon not here because what Shepard has is PTSD.

sheppard7 wrote...

That was a quote I said about a convo with my father. It does NOT say PTSD does not exist nor did he say it does not exist. And why did I post that convo? You know. Because you were saying things about how a random stranger kid death would mean more than fellow soldiers and even family. So I posted that to show random stranger kid does NOT mean more than family. Try to find another that actually FITS next time?

You act as if PTSD doesn't exist when its a random civilian and your focus on Shepard before he/she want on active duty as a soldier.

Now you have to grasp at "acting" ? You know what that says? You create a villain so you can be a hero. You are now claiming to know my thinking?

Stick to the facts. SHOW WHERE I SAID PTSD DOES NOT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD

[Blueprotoss]

mad825 wrote...

Great diagnosis doctor! What else causes nightmares? What are nightmares?

People with SS do get nightmares and often SS is generalised to be PTSD however SS is the result of the now and on-going therefore it effects progressive stress with greater behavioural affects.

Anything can cause nightmares while any type of depression or tragic experience can cause the nightmares that affect Shepard not fatigue.  Btw you're not a doctor so why would mention that anyways.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

And again, that was to show the comparison of FAMILY death vs random stranger kid death. NOT DISPUTING EXISTANCE OF PTSD. Try again, son. You can try to make apples into oranges in this thread but it's not working.

Yet you are disputing who gets affected by PTSD and what lose causes PSTD.

sheppard7 wrote...

Now you have to grasp at "acting" ? You know what that says? You create a villain so you can be a hero. You are now claiming to know my thinking?

The story creates the hero and villian just like life choices in real life.

 

sheppard7 wrote... 

Stick to the facts. SHOW WHERE I SAID PTSD DOES NOT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD

I have been using the facts while its ironic how you're using opinions.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 04:34 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

And again, that was to show the comparison of FAMILY death vs random stranger kid death. NOT DISPUTING EXISTANCE OF PTSD. Try again, son. You can try to make apples into oranges in this thread but it's not working.

Yet you are disputing who gets affected by PTSD and what lose causes PSTD.

What would cause it in Shepard is what I am disputing, yes.

And if family death has zero impact like you claim (using the same logic you are back on you), then why does someone who witness a family murder get PTSD? See how dumb that logic is now?


And Alien told his story of having it and what triggered it. It was a fallen comrade that died next to him. You were saying in the thread random stranger kid would do it while comrade would not.

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 04:35 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...


 

sheppard7 wrote... 

Stick to the facts. SHOW WHERE I SAID PTSD DOES NOT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD

I have been using the facts while its ironic how you're using opinions.

If it's a fact then show where I said word for word "PTSD DOES NOT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD" then. If you can't it's not a fact.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

What would cause it in Shepard is what I am disputing, yes.

Yet thats not your call because it doesn't need to be your choice.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And if family death has zero impact like you claim (using the same logic you are back on you), then why does someone who witness a family murder get PTSD? See how dumb that logic is now?

Never said this while PTSD happens a lot less with civilians then soldiers.  PTSD in civilians are normally a different set of variables especially when we're looking at age, race, gender, health, diet, family,  and where you live are a few of them.

sheppard7 wrote...

If it's a fact then show where I said word for word "PTSD DOES NOT EXIST IN THE REAL WORLD" then. If you can't it's not a fact.

You're saying that Shepard's PTSD isn't realistic while it is realistic even when some of the people here are supporting Bioware as soldiers not fans. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 04:40 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

What would cause it in Shepard is what I am disputing, yes.

Yet thats not your call because it doesn't need to be your choice.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And if family death has zero impact like you claim (using the same logic you are back on you), then why does someone who witness a family murder get PTSD? See how dumb that logic is now?

Never said this while PTSD happens a lot less with civilians then soldiers.  PTSD in civilians are normally a different set of variables especially when we're looking at age, race, gender, health, diet, family,  and where you live are a few of them

Yes you did say that. (not really but that's what you're doing to me)

And now you saying civilians have to do with age, race, etc? Wow. I guess rape victims who got it had nothing to do with the actual rape. Shark attack victim that was on Shark Week last week who had it had nothing to do with the actual event of the shark attack. Only soldiers get it from events now? That's the biggest load of crap I ever read and that says a lot.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Yes you did say that. (not really but that's what you're doing to me)

Yet I'm not using opinion here.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And now you saying civilians have to do with age, race, etc? Wow. I guess rape victims who got it had nothing to do with the actual rape. Shark attack victim that was on Shark Week last week who had it had nothing to do with the actual event of the shark attack. Only soldiers get it from events now? That's the biggest load of crap I ever read and that says a lot.

It seems like you don't understand the effects of PTSD, which means you shouldn't be defining what PTSD is or isn't.

[Han Shot First]

Rifneno wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

PTSD doesn't work the way you think it does. See OGWS's post.

In fact repeated exposure to traumatic events makes you more likely to experience symptoms.

It doesn't work the way you think it does either.  One of the biggest symptoms of PTSD is desperately wanting to avoid the situation or circumstances that lead to the trauma.  That's why Kelly Chambers won't go back to the Normandy.  That's why the asari in counseling doesn't want to be around humans and refuses to bathe.  If Shepard had PTSD, he'd be desperate to avoid Earth and the Reapers in general.  Spoiler: that's kind of the opposite of what happens.

Turns out there's symptoms to PTSD besides just nightmares!  Who know, right?

This thread sucks.

Your post = epic fail.

Perpaps you should have read the entire thread before hammering your reply. I addressed this earlier in the thread. Whether or not Shepard would be diagnosed with PTSD is a non issue. He was having nightmares that were brought about by traumatic combat experiences. If it isn't PTSD it is a combat stress reaction.

The point of this thread wasn't to discuss what Shepard's exact diagnosis would be, but rather to voice appreciation to Bioware for touching on some realistic themes and having Shepard not be immune to everything that is going on around him.

You are also flat out wrong by the way in implying that all people who suffer from PTSD seek to avoid certain situations. While that is a common symptom of PTSD it isn't one that is universal. Not everyone who suffers from PTSD has that symptom. Also, PTSD has different levels of severity. It isn't debilitating for everyone. Implying that if Shepard has PTSD he wouldn't be outwardly functional as a soldier, is also wrong.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 20 août 2012 - 05:51 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Yes you did say that. (not really but that's what you're doing to me)

Yet I'm not using opinion here.

sheppard7 wrote... 

And now you saying civilians have to do with age, race, etc? Wow. I guess rape victims who got it had nothing to do with the actual rape. Shark attack victim that was on Shark Week last week who had it had nothing to do with the actual event of the shark attack. Only soldiers get it from events now? That's the biggest load of crap I ever read and that says a lot.

It seems like you don't understand the effects of PTSD, which means you shouldn't be defining what PTSD is or isn't.

You said it has to do with race, etc not a traumic event. You know.. what the T stands for.

"lieing" and not "lying"... LMAO

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 06:24 .

[sheppard7]

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Modifié par Ninja Stan, 20 août 2012 - 07:11 .

[Ninja Stan]

Hey, blueprotoss and sheppard7. Please agree to disagree and return to your respective corners, or take your little spat to private. Thank you.

[Blueprotoss]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Hey, blueprotoss and sheppard7. Please agree to disagree and return to your respective corners, or take your little spat to private. Thank you.

I didn't do anything wrong while I'm fine to agree to disagree.  The ball is in his court at this point based on his own actions.

[sheppard7]

Ninja Stan wrote...

Hey, blueprotoss and sheppard7. Please agree to disagree and return to your respective corners, or take your little spat to private. Thank you.

I didn't do anything wrong while I'm fine to agree to disagree.  The ball is in his court at this point based on his own actions.

Modifié par sheppard7, 20 août 2012 - 09:12 .

[77boy84]

If you're going to put something in your story like PTSD, you need to do it right.

If you're not going to do it right, and just shove it in as an after thought, then imo, you don't deserve kudos, and you should be criticized for not bothering to put in the effort to make it right.

[sheppard7]

77boy84 wrote...

If you're going to put something in your story like PTSD, you need to do it right.

If you're not going to do it right, and just shove it in as an after thought, then imo, you don't deserve kudos, and you should be criticized for not bothering to put in the effort to make it right.

Totally agree.

[Abraham_uk]

sheppard7 wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

If you're going to put something in your story like PTSD, you need to do it right.

If you're not going to do it right, and just shove it in as an after thought, then imo, you don't deserve kudos, and you should be criticized for not bothering to put in the effort to make it right.

Totally agree.

I thought it was done well.
The whispers of fallen squadmates and the symbolism of the child. It reminded me of Schindler's List.
Shepard is someone affected by all of this. But Shepard isn't going to collapse because of battle related stress. That would just be out of character.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

If you're going to put something in your story like PTSD, you need to do it right.

If you're not going to do it right, and just shove it in as an after thought, then imo, you don't deserve kudos, and you should be criticized for not bothering to put in the effort to make it right.

Totally agree.

How is that when this is a matter of opinion.

Abraham_uk wrote...

I thought it was done well.
The whispers of fallen squadmates and the symbolism of the child. It reminded me of Schindler's List.
Shepard is someone affected by all of this. But Shepard isn't going to collapse because of battle related stress. That would just be out of character.

I have nothing wrong with that because it reminds me a lot of the Last Samurai and the Gladiator, which are on my Top 10 list of movies. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 09:51 .

[Blueprotoss]

sorry double post

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 20 août 2012 - 09:51 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

[Blueprotoss]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

Yet a lot of action heroes do get PTSD especially when we're talking about Rambo and Chuck Norris.  Haters gonna hate.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

Yet a lot of action heroes do get PTSD especially when we're talking about Rambo and Chuck Norris.  Haters gonna hate.

Trolls gonna troll, how she a hater?

Modifié par AresKeith, 20 août 2012 - 10:46 .

[sheppard7]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

Yep. Backwards all the way is what they did. Poor execution.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

77boy84 wrote...

If you're going to put something in your story like PTSD, you need to do it right.

If you're not going to do it right, and just shove it in as an after thought, then imo, you don't deserve kudos, and you should be criticized for not bothering to put in the effort to make it right.

Totally agree.

How is that when this is a matter of opinion.

Ninja Stan, he's starting it up again. I heard you loud and clear, Ninja Stan. It's not going to end well.