285 réponses à ce sujet

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

Yet a lot of action heroes do get PTSD especially when we're talking about Rambo and Chuck Norris.  Haters gonna hate.

Trolls gonna troll

How is that when Rambo and some of the great Chuck Norris roles suffer from PTSD, which they're the big action hereos.  Btw If you're going to use "troll" correctly then you shouldn't be the "troll".

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

Yet a lot of action heroes do get PTSD especially when we're talking about Rambo and Chuck Norris.  Haters gonna hate.

Trolls gonna troll

How is that when Rambo and some of the great Chuck Norris roles suffer from PTSD, which they're the big action hereos.  Btw If you're going to use "troll" correctly then you shouldn't be the "troll".

Their characters didn't play roles like our Commander Shepard. Shepard had more one liners. I wasn't a Chuck Norris fan, and thought his movies sucked. Sorry. Stallone? Not a Stallone fan. Arnold movies; Tarantino movies; Robert Rodriguez movies yes.

I don't know about you but I laughed my way through about half of ME1, ME2 and through parts of ME3, because even like on Tuchanka things were ridiculous (death defying and gravity defying leap), and Rannoch after killing the reaper? but then I renegade interrupt a lot.

[sheppard7]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Action heroes don't get PTSD. But they just gave Shepard nightmares about a kid. That isn't PTSD. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. Action heroes don't feel sad. Action heroes get mad. Shepard was an action hero. They had passed "go" on the action hero thing a long time ago. Once you cross the line you can't go back. They also crossed the action story line many times in ME1 and ME2 and several times in ME3. It went into the realm of the ridiculous so many times I can't list all of them. Once it does that you cannot go back.

Mac tried to go back. He tried to make Shepard feel sad. He tried to make Shepard get dark. You just don't do that. Especially if the super hero is being role played by the player. You can throw in crap like the Crucible as a superweapon. That's fine. But throwing in the starchild? That's going backwards, and that is something you just don't do.

You can have the super weapon available for the super hero to use to make a huge big over the top explosion or to do something (preferably involving something explosive) so that his/her side can win a crushing victory, but you don't use it for picking one of three colors. That is just not done.

The story should have ended on a ridiculous note with Shepard and the fleet kicking the reapers in the daddy bags. No sacrifice. Nothing like that. No long speeches.

Yet a lot of action heroes do get PTSD especially when we're talking about Rambo and Chuck Norris.  Haters gonna hate.

Trolls gonna troll

How is that when Rambo and some of the great Chuck Norris roles suffer from PTSD, which they're the big action hereos.  Btw If you're going to use "troll" correctly then you shouldn't be the "troll".

Their characters didn't play roles like our Commander Shepard. Shepard had more one liners. I wasn't a Chuck Norris fan, and thought his movies sucked. Sorry. Stallone? Not a Stallone fan. Arnold movies; Tarantino movies; Robert Rodriguez movies yes.

I don't know about you but I laughed my way through about half of ME1, ME2 and through parts of ME3, because even like on Tuchanka things were ridiculous (death defying and gravity defying leap), and Rannoch after killing the reaper? but then I renegade interrupt a lot.

Arnold just told them, "Ah'll be bahk!" Then came back to give out more punishment. Gotta love the Schwarz!

[Blueprotoss]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Their characters didn't play roles like our Commander Shepard. Shepard had more one liners. I wasn't a Chuck Norris fan, and thought his movies sucked. Sorry. Stallone? Not a Stallone fan. Arnold movies; Tarantino movies; Robert Rodriguez movies yes.

You could play Shepard like Rambo or Chuck Norris.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote... 

I don't know about you but I laughed my way through about half of ME1, ME2 and through parts of ME3, because even like on Tuchanka things were ridiculous (death defying and gravity defying leap), and Rannoch after killing the reaper? but then I renegade interrupt a lot.

Hey its up to you to play Shepard the way you want while I don't  blame you for using Renegade interrupts.  To eaah their own even when Bioware has the last word.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Arnold just told them, "Ah'll be bahk!" Then came back to give out more punishment. Gotta love theSchwarz!

He was the Terminator for a reason.  

[Rifneno]

Han Shot First wrote...

Your post = epic fail.

Perpaps you should have read the entire thread before hammering your reply. I addressed this earlier in the thread. Whether or not Shepard would be diagnosed with PTSD is a non issue. He was having nightmares that were brought about by traumatic combat experiences. If it isn't PTSD it is a combat stress reaction.

The point of this thread wasn't to discuss what Shepard's exact diagnosis would be, but rather to voice appreciation to Bioware for touching on some realistic themes and having Shepard not be immune to everything that is going on around him.

You are also flat out wrong by the way in implying that all people who suffer from PTSD seek to avoid certain situations. While that is a common symptom of PTSD it isn't one that is universal. Not everyone who suffers from PTSD has that symptom. Also, PTSD has different levels of severity. It isn't debilitating for everyone. Implying that if Shepard has PTSD he wouldn't be outwardly functional as a soldier, is also wrong.

Your thread = epic fail and I don't need to read every sentence of the 10 pages to see that. Know your lore. It isn't about PTSD or survivor guilt or any of that. It's a hint of indoctrination. Whether or not the ending was an indoctrination attempt is irrelevant. They put hints in to make you wonder if it was. If you paid attention to Arrival and Retribution you'd know these nightmares are a symptom of the early stages of indoctrination. Both of those were written in preparation to ME3. Both of them specifically mention dreams as a symptom. That's all the dreams are in the game for. They're either foreshadowing an indoctrination attempt at the end, or they're a red herring to make you think that's what they are. They aren't PTSD. As has been mentioned here, Mac Walters has a degree in psychology. You do not. That's why BW wrote two characters with actual PTSD in this game and they showed many symptoms of PTSD.

"Regardless of how well or poorly you think the dream sequences were handled, I think Bioware should be given kudos for having Shepard suffer from PTSD in the fhird chapter."

That's what you said. There's no wrongly inferring. You specifically flat out said that Shepard has PTSD. I did not specifically flat out say that every sufferer shows a given symptom. Yes, whether Shepard would be diagnosed IS relevant. You said he had an illness, he should be diagnosable with it. Period. If they "touched upon some realistic themes" with Shepard having PTSD, then why the hell isn't the story arc resolved? Why is it left up in the air? If it was as simple as an obvious and common mental disorder then why was it never addressed beyond Shepard having a few creepy dreams?

[Han Shot First]

Rifneno wrote...


Your thread = epic fail and I don't need to read every sentence of the 10 pages to see that. Know your lore. It isn't about PTSD or survivor guilt or any of that. It's a hint of indoctrination.

Sorry, but indoctrination theory is as dead as Thane. Shepard wasn't indoctrinated.

That's what you said. There's no wrongly inferring. You specifically flat out said that Shepard has PTSD. I did not specifically flat out say that every sufferer shows a given symptom. Yes, whether Shepard would be diagnosed IS relevant. You said he had an illness, he should be diagnosable with it. Period. If they "touched upon some realistic themes" with Shepard having PTSD, then why the hell isn't the story arc resolved? Why is it left up in the air? If it was as simple as an obvious and common mental disorder then why was it never addressed beyond Shepard having a few creepy dreams?

You are quibbling over semantics.

It doesn't matter whether Shepard had full blown PTSD or if the dreams were just a symptom of CSR. Either way the dreams are induced by psychological trauma. The point of the thread was never to pin down some exact clinical diagnosis for Shepard, but to acknowledge that Bioware had the right idea in touching on some realistic issues, regardless of how well or poorly we might think they were implemented. Shepard shouldn't have been immune to everything that was going on around him, and thankfully he wasn't.

Also the PTSD arc does not need resolution, because we are not playing as Shepard in the post-war. Whether or not he comes to term with those issues isn't relevent to the plot of Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 21 août 2012 - 05:42 .

[Nitrocuban]

LOL I confused PTSD with STD at first.
Would make sense, too.

[sheppard7]

Han Shot First wrote...



Also the PTSD arc does not need resolution, because we are not playing as Shepard in the post-war. Whether or not he comes to term with those issues isn't relevent to the plot of Mass Effect 3.

Actually, ME3 is supposed to tie up all the Shepard story... or so the pre-release Bioware BS PR said.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...



Also the PTSD arc does not need resolution, because we are not playing as Shepard in the post-war. Whether or not he comes to term with those issues isn't relevent to the plot of Mass Effect 3.

Actually, ME3 is supposed to tie up all the Shepard story... or so the pre-release Bioware BS PR said.

Shepard's arc will be completed in ME3 while Shepard can still make an appearance in other ME games.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 21 août 2012 - 09:08 .

[iSousek]

I am on the "not PTSD" vagon, but saying that Shepard can't have PTSD simply because he is Shepard is a bad argument

:/