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[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

Civilian deaths will mess up you more then seeing you're comrade being killed.

Colonist origin says hello.

If you're looking for sadness then Earthborn would be your choice.  Either way its different when you're a civilian seeing another civilian die or when you're military seeing a comrade die compared to military seeing a civilian die.

[Giggles_Manically]

Shepard is not your character.

He is Bioware's character.
If they want to play him as a weepy bi-polar, PTSD suffering nincompoop let em
I dont have to buy their games.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

Civilian deaths will mess up you more then seeing you're comrade being killed.

Colonist origin says hello.

If you're looking for sadness then Earthborn would be your choice.  Either way its different when you're a civilian seeing another civilian die or when you're military seeing a comrade die compared to military seeing a civilian die.

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

[Tritium315]

My Shep saw all her friends & family get butchered by slavers, sent soldiers to their deaths, was helpless to save her friend on Virmire, bore witness to countless horrors (Project Overlord, Collector Slushie Tubes, Thorian, Huskification, etc.), and personally killed veritable legions of humans and aliens alike, but nah; it's watching some ****ing brat who was too stupid to let himself be rescued die that gave her nightmares.

Bioware shouldn't be applauded for butchering a character; no matter how "realistic" it is. They dealt with the subject of PTSD fine with the Asari Huntress in the hospital (now THAT was good writing).

[Gruntburner]

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Ledgend1221 wrote...

The same Shepard who A. watched his entire unit get destroyed by giant space worms, B. butchered the slaver moon of Torfan with little regard for casualties or C. who killed wave after wave after wave of batarians on Elysium trying to defend the colony.
What about Jenkins? What about Kaidan? No PTSD after any of that?

But on noes a random kid who refused your help dies! You now have PTSD!

Civilian deaths will mess up you more then seeing you're comrade being killed.

Colonist origin says hello.

But PTSD doesn't work like that.  It isn't always a single event that triggers it, it is often years before any visible syptoms show up at all.  Going through more traumatic or stressful situations can often be a trigger.  It doesn't matter if you went through traumatic events as a kid, everyone has a limit.  Shepard's starts with the kid, but that isn't what makes it progressively worse, it is the constant loss of life he sees everyday, those he cannot save dying for a war he's not sure they can win.  This is reflected in the growing number of ghostly figures in the dreams and voices of those who died, including the person who died on Virmire.

[Gruntburner]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Shepard is not your character.

He is Bioware's character.
If they want to play him as a weepy bi-polar, PTSD suffering nincompoop let em
I dont have to buy their games.

Literally one of the worst things I have read on these boards. Reported.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

[sheppard7]

Tritium315 wrote...

My Shep saw all her friends & family get butchered by slavers, sent soldiers to their deaths, was helpless to save her friend on Virmire, bore witness to countless horrors (Project Overlord, Collector Slushie Tubes, Thorian, Huskification, etc.), and personally killed veritable legions of humans and aliens alike, but nah; it's watching some ****ing brat who was too stupid to let himself be rescued die that gave her nightmares.

Bioware shouldn't be applauded for butchering a character; no matter how "realistic" it is. They dealt with the subject of PTSD fine with the Asari Huntress in the hospital (now THAT was good writing).

And did your Shep even bat an eye during Arrival? An entire system laid to waste. lol. But some random kid makes Shep have nightmares about him. LMAO

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

YES. MANY. And I don't even have to go to grandfathers, uncles, etc. (although that too) The one who supplied the sperm is at the top of the list. And it wasn't just limited to war time.

Modifié par sheppard7, 19 août 2012 - 02:39 .

[NoUserNameHere]

I'd rather allow the players the option to show Shepard's psyche through, say, treatment of NPCs. The child just pushes the "feel SAAAAD!" button far too much, far too hard.

[sheppard7]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I'd rather allow the players the option to show Shepard's psyche through, say, treatment of NPCs. The child just pushes the "feel SAAAAD!" button far too much, far too hard.

Bioware did that for the first two games at least.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

YES. MANY. And I don't even have to go to grandfathers, uncles, etc. (although that too) The one who supplied the sperm is at the top of the list. And it wasn't just limited to war time.

If thats the case then you don't need to lie about civilian deaths whether they're men, women, or children seem to affect soldiers more then comrades.  This happened to a lot of soldiers in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

YES. MANY. And I don't even have to go to grandfathers, uncles, etc. (although that too) The one who supplied the sperm is at the top of the list. And it wasn't just limited to war time.

If thats the case then you don't need to lie about civilian deaths whether they're men, women, or children seem to affect soldiers more then comrades.  This happened to a lot of soldiers in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Not and you have no idea how someone thinks. I can say he felt more pain about the death of my grandmother (HIS MOTHER) than anybody else so far. And been through a war.

Sorry. You're not convincing me.


And COLONIST Shep had family so to say some stranger affects Shep more than family would doesn't work.

Edit: Oh but if your "grandfather" or "uncles" wouldn't feel anything if a family member like YOU died but would got all syndrome over some stranger, that just means they don't like you.

Modifié par sheppard7, 19 août 2012 - 02:55 .

[sheppard7]

Add that they gave us the choice of the VD (Virmire Death) or "Numerous". If you pick Numerous, it says in the description "loss of many squadmates and friends". Not just "comrades".

Modifié par sheppard7, 19 août 2012 - 03:02 .

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Not and you have no idea how someone thinks. I can say he felt more pain about the death of my grandmother (HIS MOTHER) than anybody else so far. And been through a war.

Yet you're telling how people should feel and I'm just tellling you what I have observed while others will agree with me more then you.

sheppard7 wrote... 

Sorry. You're not convincing me.

I'm not forcing anything on you while you're definately doing a good job at being forceful.

sheppard7 wrote...  

And COLONIST Shep had family so to say some stranger affects Shep more than family would doesn't work.

Yet the Earthborn is the worst off especially when you look at what happens to Earth in ME3.

sheppard7 wrote...  

Edit: Oh but if your "grandfather" or "uncles" wouldn't feel anything if a family member like YOU died but would got all syndrome over some stranger, that just means they don't like you.

I said they were mixed because they normally don't talk about it like a good amount of soldiers do.  Either way the numbers seem to be higher when a soldier witnesses a death of an innoccent then a fellow comrade.

sheppard7 wrote...

Add that they gave us the choice of the VD (Virmire Death) or "Numerous". If you pick Numerous, it says in the description "loss of many squadmates and friends". Not just "comrades".

Yet Shepard barely knew Kaidan or Ashley enough to do so.  Shepard also didn't see Kaidan or Ashley die in front of him/her. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 août 2012 - 03:13 .

[Tritium315]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

YES. MANY. And I don't even have to go to grandfathers, uncles, etc. (although that too) The one who supplied the sperm is at the top of the list. And it wasn't just limited to war time.

If thats the case then you don't need to lie about civilian deaths whether they're men, women, or children seem to affect soldiers more then comrades.  This happened to a lot of soldiers in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Colonist Shep saw her family and all her friends and probably all the children that were in that colony as well butchered. Pretty sure that's worse than seeing a shuttle get shot out of the sky.

[Deemz]

Horrible execution.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not and you have no idea how someone thinks. I can say he felt more pain about the death of my grandmother (HIS MOTHER) than anybody else so far. And been through a war.

Yet you're telling how people should feel and I'm just tellling you what I have observed while others will agree with me more then you.

m2iCodeJockey wrote...  

Sorry. You're not convincing me.

I'm not forcing anything on you while you're definately doing a good job at being forceful.

m2iCodeJockey wrote...  

And COLONIST Shep had family so to say some stranger affects Shep more than family would doesn't work.

Yet the Earthborn is the worst off especially when you look at what happens to Earth in ME3.

m2iCodeJockey wrote...  

Edit: Oh but if your "grandfather" or "uncles" wouldn't feel anything if a family member like YOU died but would got all syndrome over some stranger, that just means they don't like you.

I said they were mixed because they normally don't talk about it like a good amount of soldiers do.  Either way the numbers seem to be higher when a soldier witnesses a death of an innoccent then a fellow comrade.

I've been saying how COLONIST Shep who saw his/her family killed as a teenager will not be all syndrome over a stranger and BW putting the Numerous choice even gives that information. Then you had the nerve to call someone a liar so cool story, bro. I just showed I can make cool stories too about they don't like you.

[Blueprotoss]

Tritium315 wrote...

Colonist Shep saw her family and all her friends and probably all the children that were in that colony as well butchered. Pretty sure that's worse than seeing a shuttle get shot out of the sky.

You should take another look at Earthborn in ME1 again and its worse when the Reapers at in ME3 to relive events.  I'm not saying that Colony isn't bad while its not the worst.

[sheppard7]

Tritium315 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

YES. MANY. And I don't even have to go to grandfathers, uncles, etc. (although that too) The one who supplied the sperm is at the top of the list. And it wasn't just limited to war time.

If thats the case then you don't need to lie about civilian deaths whether they're men, women, or children seem to affect soldiers more then comrades.  This happened to a lot of soldiers in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Colonist Shep saw her family and all her friends and probably all the children that were in that colony as well butchered. Pretty sure that's worse than seeing a shuttle get shot out of the sky.

Yes. If Bioware wrote Batman, it wouldn't have been about Thomas and Martha Wayne being gunned down. They would have had Bruce see his parents killed but decide to devote himself to becoming a crime fighter because some drunk driver ran over a kid he never met.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

I've been saying how COLONIST Shep who saw his/her family killed as a teenager will not be all syndrome over a stranger and BW putting the Numerous choice even gives that information. Then you had the nerve to call someone a liar so cool story, bro. I just showed I can make cool stories too about they don't like you.

Wow you're jumping to conclusions especially when I didn't call you a liar while I see you would ruin a debate to try to start an arguement.  Either Bioware has the choice to do what they want like they have been doing and there's nothing wrong with that.  Again Earthborn is the worst not Colonist especially when you don't revisit that colony but you do revisit Earth.  Man you're talking this way too seriously.

sheppard7 wrote...

Yes. If Bioware wrote Batman, it wouldn't have been about Thomas and Martha Wayne being gunned down. They would have had Bruce see his parents killed but decide to devote himself to becoming a crime fighter because some drunk driver ran over a kid he never met.

Yet you're comparing apples to oranges here based on how Bruce Wayne is a civilian that later went insane and Shepard a trained soldier seeing a kid die after the thousands of soldier related deaths. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 19 août 2012 - 03:25 .

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Not going to convince anyone that seeing bad things happen to your FAMILY is going to affect you less than some STRANGER. Sorry.

Do you have any soldiers in your family because I had two grandfathers in WW2, an uncle in WW2, and an uncle in Vietnam.  Personally they had mixed feeling while if you talk to enough soldiers then you will notice that trigger seems to be more related to children then comrades. 

YES. MANY. And I don't even have to go to grandfathers, uncles, etc. (although that too) The one who supplied the sperm is at the top of the list. And it wasn't just limited to war time.

If thats the case then you don't need to lie about civilian deaths whether they're men, women, or children seem to affect soldiers more then comrades.  This happened to a lot of soldiers in Vietnam, Afghanistan, and Iraq.

Telling someone "you don't need to lie" is calling the person a liar.

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

I've been saying how COLONIST Shep who saw his/her family killed as a teenager will not be all syndrome over a stranger and BW putting the Numerous choice even gives that information. Then you had the nerve to call someone a liar so cool story, bro. I just showed I can make cool stories too about they don't like you.

Wow you're jumping to conclusions especially when I didn't call you a liar while I see you would ruin a debate to try to start an arguement.  Either Bioware has the choice to do what they want like they have been doing and there's nothing wrong with that.  Again Earthborn is the worst not Colonist especially when you don't revisit that colony but you do revisit Earth.  Man you're talking this way too seriously.

sheppard7 wrote...

Yes. If Bioware wrote Batman, it wouldn't have been about Thomas and Martha Wayne being gunned down. They would have had Bruce see his parents killed but decide to devote himself to becoming a crime fighter because some drunk driver ran over a kid he never met.

Yet you're comparing apples to oranges here based on how Bruce Wayne is a civilian that later went insane and Shepard a trained soldier seeing a kid die after the thousands of soldier related deaths. 

And I see someone doesn't understand the word IF either. I was saying how I see Bioware would handle it IF they did it.

[Blueprotoss]

sheppard7 wrote...

Telling someone "you don't need to lie" is calling the person a liar.

If I mentioned that more then a once or a couple of times then you it wold turn into liar based on.  Either way you're talking about headcannon with Shepard instead of real life soldiers.

sheppard7 wrote...

And I see someone doesn't understand the word IF either. I was saying how I see Bioware would handle it IF they did it.

Insuting people won't help you while you acting as if Bioware stole your milk money. 

[sheppard7]

Blueprotoss wrote...

sheppard7 wrote...

Telling someone "you don't need to lie" is calling the person a liar.

If I mentioned that more then a once or a couple of times then you it wold turn into liar based on.  Either way you're talking about headcannon with Shepard instead of real life soldiers.

sheppard7 wrote...

And I see someone doesn't understand the word IF either. I was saying how I see Bioware would handle it IF they did it.

Insuting people won't help you while you acting as if Bioware stole your milk money. 

Go ask your "granddad" or "uncles" if they would feel worse if YOU died or some random stranger kid they never met. If they say they would feel more for the kid, that just means they don't like you.

Again, I'm talking about the colonist choice they gave us. And you are trying to say real life soldiers will care for the random stranger over family? Yeah, right.

And the colonist incident happened before Shep was a soldier even. So that was a civilian incident.

Modifié par sheppard7, 19 août 2012 - 03:49 .