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[vinlandhammer]

Razor_Zeng wrote...

Buff the other guns and people will use them. Nerf more and more people will end up leaving.

they did nerfed pretty much everything people would use more weapons, but by nerfing everything and leaving just an handful of weapons nerf-free, this makes people "forced" to choose within handful to play with useful weapon. it would be fixed not by buff but by reverse the nerfs, variety of weapons for all the cases.  many have left already and many just still around until the new big games get released starting this september, meanwhile many just stay around for the SP part of the game and wouldn't mind if MP simply dies.

just days ago i was talking with friends wich like me have been playing games for more then 20 years and when i told that this game have been nerfed alot, they thought it was a pvp mp, when i told it was a coop they laughed hard and thought i was joking because this type of behaviour is more typical of pvp games.

[darkpassenger2342]

no one respects the saber. On this thread,
I base that on the " harrier is the only good AR" claims
no, i don't mean "no one" literally.
it is an awesome gun, why anyone would use the harrier 1 over the saber 5 is beyond me as well.
i dont care what guns other people use, though.
illl use the saber whether other people do or not.

Modifié par darkpassenger2342, 19 août 2012 - 04:11 .

[soultaker65]

Steven83 wrote...

obviously we should stick a particle rifle with our n7 fury for maximum efficiency.

Yep;)

[LeM108_]

I only use carnifex on caster classes. Pretty decent damage/weight ratio, and great sound effects.
Doesn't prevent me from top-scoring on gold, so why change ?

[GroverA125]

soultaker65 wrote...
As for the Carnifex it's not as bad as let say a month ago but almost every Adept or Engineer I see still tries snipe with it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Like I said I get that a lot of people love them, but would it hurt to try something new?

it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Someone clearly has NO idea what he's talking about. All adepts want to have the maximum recharge rate on their powers (with the possible/plausible exception of Ex-Cerberus and Justicars). The carnifex is light enough that it can be carried without an ULM without compromising recharge speed. None of the other weapons you have mentioned can do that (in fact, the GPS has close to the same level-based weight ratio as a Typhoon machine gun, so that is blown straight out the window), add onto that the fact that all assault rifles and SMGs short of the Saber, Harrier, Typhoon, Hurricane and possibly the Revenant and Hornet are hilariously underpowered, and that would explain why nobody uses any of the the other alternatives. Phaeston has nothing to offer a power-based class, short of untold misery, and the arc pistol is regarded by the community as impossible to use effectively.

The carnifex is a well-balanced weapon that just so conveniently has the perfect weight balance for power-using classes. It's not overpowered, it's not unstoppable, it's just got the right balance between power and weight. As such, use by casters is obvious. Not bringing it and instead settling with a heavier or weaker weapon is like a Destroyer not bringing a Typhoon and instead settling for an Avenger because he wants to keep his recharge speeds high.

Modifié par GroverA125, 19 août 2012 - 08:05 .

[soultaker65]

GroverA125 wrote...

Someone clearly has NO idea what he's talking about. All adepts want to have the maximum recharge rate on their powers (with the possible/plausible exception of Ex-Cerberus and Justicars). The carnifex is light enough that it can be carried without an ULM without compromising recharge speed. None of the other weapons you have mentioned can do that (in fact, the GPS has close to the same level-based weight ratio as a Typhoon machine gun, so that is blown straight out the window), add onto that the fact that all assault rifles and SMGs short of the Saber, Harrier, Typhoon, Hurricane and possibly the Revenant and Hornet are hilariously underpowered, and that would explain why nobody uses any of the the other alternatives. Phaeston has nothing to offer a power-based class, short of untold misery, and the arc pistol is regarded by the community as impossible to use effectively.

The carnifex is a well-balanced weapon that just so conveniently has the perfect weight balance for power-using classes. It's not overpowered, it's not unstoppable, it's just got the right balance between power and weight. As such, use by casters is obvious. Not bringing it and instead settling with a heavier or weaker weapon is like a Destroyer not bringing a Typhoon and instead settling for an Avenger because he wants to keep his recharge speeds high.

The difference between 200% and 150% is on average 0.30 seconds per power give or take. and just about half of the weapons in the game at X give casters something between 200% and 150% so you have a lot of options in weapon choice besides the Carnifex.

[heybigmoney]

Carnifex as a primary is obsolete. Tons of better options that are roughly the same weight and hit like a truck.

[MystEU]

We should be using the N7 Eagle I and the Vindicator, amirite?

[GroverA125]

soultaker65 wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

Someone clearly has NO idea what he's talking about. All adepts want to have the maximum recharge rate on their powers (with the possible/plausible exception of Ex-Cerberus and Justicars). The carnifex is light enough that it can be carried without an ULM without compromising recharge speed. None of the other weapons you have mentioned can do that (in fact, the GPS has close to the same level-based weight ratio as a Typhoon machine gun, so that is blown straight out the window), add onto that the fact that all assault rifles and SMGs short of the Saber, Harrier, Typhoon, Hurricane and possibly the Revenant and Hornet are hilariously underpowered, and that would explain why nobody uses any of the the other alternatives. Phaeston has nothing to offer a power-based class, short of untold misery, and the arc pistol is regarded by the community as impossible to use effectively.

The carnifex is a well-balanced weapon that just so conveniently has the perfect weight balance for power-using classes. It's not overpowered, it's not unstoppable, it's just got the right balance between power and weight. As such, use by casters is obvious. Not bringing it and instead settling with a heavier or weaker weapon is like a Destroyer not bringing a Typhoon and instead settling for an Avenger because he wants to keep his recharge speeds high.

The difference between 200% and 150% is on average 0.30 seconds per power give or take. and just about half of the weapons in the game at X give casters something between 200% and 150% so you have a lot of options in weapon choice besides the Carnifex.

My point still stands, 0.3 seconds may not seem fully substantial, but you will not be firing off a single power every few minutes or so. You will be firing them off constantly, throughout the match, as fast as you can. Look at it this way, if you fire off on average 100 powers per match (which you don't, it'll be much more), then you spend an extra 30 seconds waiting for recharges. That's pretty substantial, considering that that's about 10 extra shots with a baseline power. So, for ever 10 shots you fire off, you get one free, and you get to have a decent weapon as well.

And by the way, the base recharge speed of a Warp (the most regularly used biotic power) is 16 seconds, without any recharge speed power tree choices, that means that at 200% (half it and half it again), that's 4 seconds. at 150% that turns into 6 seconds. not exactly the 0.3 seconds you are showcasing. Either way, a power user doesn't need a big heavy weapon as their damage output, they need a sidearm that is capable of doing some quick, unsustained damage while they wait for recharge. So the main good alternatives are the Paladin, Valiant and Saber. All of which are either too heavy to fit the bill, or have to pay for it elsewhere.

[DullahansXMark]

MystEU wrote...

We should be using the N7 Eagle I and the Vindicator, amirite?

The Vindicator's a great assault rifle, if you don't mind triple-bursts. Seriously, that gun tears stuff up if you're doing it right, which... you don't seem to be doing.

[soultaker65]

GroverA125 wrote...

And by the way, the base recharge speed of a Warp (the most regularly used biotic power) is 16 seconds, without any recharge speed power tree choices, that means that at 200% (half it and half it again), that's 4 seconds. at 150% that turns into 6 seconds. not exactly the 0.3 seconds you are showcasing. Either way, a power user doesn't need a big heavy weapon as their damage output, they need a sidearm that is capable of doing some quick, unsustained damage while they wait for recharge. So the main good alternatives are the Paladin, Valiant and Saber. All of which are either too heavy to fit the bill, or have to pay for it elsewhere.

Where are you getting these nunbers because there wrong.

the base for warp is 8 seconds, at 200% it's 2.67 seconds, and at 150% it's 3.2 seconds.

Most will not even noitce 0.53 of a second.

Note: my numbers come from Narida's class Builder

Modifié par soultaker65, 19 août 2012 - 09:04 .

[121andrew]

I would rather use a Saber V than a Harrier I. The Harrier's low ammo negates the damage for me.
Also, I don't really get where you're getting these "facts" from. Yes, I do use the Carnifex because it is pretty light whilst doing decent damage, but I also use other weapons like the Arc Pistol and Mattock.
Anyway, why does it bother you? And why should it?
We bought this game, so we should be allowed to play it how we like, not how you want us to.

[GroverA125]

soultaker65 wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

And by the way, the base recharge speed of a Warp (the most regularly used biotic power) is 16 seconds, without any recharge speed power tree choices, that means that at 200% (half it and half it again), that's 4 seconds. at 150% that turns into 6 seconds. not exactly the 0.3 seconds you are showcasing. Either way, a power user doesn't need a big heavy weapon as their damage output, they need a sidearm that is capable of doing some quick, unsustained damage while they wait for recharge. So the main good alternatives are the Paladin, Valiant and Saber. All of which are either too heavy to fit the bill, or have to pay for it elsewhere.

Where are you getting these nunbers because there wrong.

the base for warp is 8 seconds, at 200% it's 2.67 seconds, and at 150% it's 3.2 seconds.

Most will not even noitce 0.53 of a second.

and like I said, you will, when you realise that it's costing you 16% of your total power DPS. for every 6 powers you fire off, you would get a free one if you don't use a 150% weapon. that's a lot, actually. And you would notice that.

And my numbers were a bit off, they were for a -100% by accident.

[N00813]

Never forget the Claymore.

[Hexi-decimal]

soultaker65 wrote...

OK I get a lot of people love both of these weapons, but come on we have 47 other weapons in this game use something else.

The game will get alot less boring if you step out of your comfort zone and use any of the other weapons you have unlocked.

And I am not exaggerating when I say that in every match I play at least one player is using one of these guns.

Edit: I meant overused not overrated.

And what I mean by overused is that even if people have lets say a Saber 5 they would use there Harrier 1 with it low ammo over it.

As for the Carnifex it's not as bad as let say a month ago but almost every Adept or Engineer I see still tries snipe with it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Like I said I get that a lot of people love them, but would it hurt to try something new?

Shut up and let people play the way you want.

Seriously though, as long as they are effective I don't much care what everyone else plays.

Modifié par Hexi-decimal, 19 août 2012 - 09:24 .

[mybudgee]

I agree, and while I personally wouldn't presume to tell/imply that somebody should use a certain gun or class, I try to change up my loadouts often. For my amusement and my teammates sanity

Edit: Claymore is my favorite weapon

Modifié par mybudgee, 19 août 2012 - 09:17 .

[soultaker65]

GroverA125 wrote...

and like I said, you will, when you realise that it's costing you 16% of your total power DPS. for every 6 powers you fire off, you would get a free one if you don't use a 150% weapon. that's a lot, actually. And you would notice that.

And my numbers were a bit off, they were for a -100% by accident.

You also have to take in to account the travel time of the power, the character animation, and the camera.

all three of thses will stop you from using your power even if the power has cooled down so an extra 0.53 second will not hurt your DPS that much.

[jahaa]

I love the Harrier, and honestly i think it is a god tier weapon, but still very far away from the ridiculously godlike tier weapons like the Piranha or the old Krysae.

[GroverA125]

soultaker65 wrote...

GroverA125 wrote...

and like I said, you will, when you realise that it's costing you 16% of your total power DPS. for every 6 powers you fire off, you would get a free one if you don't use a 150% weapon. that's a lot, actually. And you would notice that.

And my numbers were a bit off, they were for a -100% by accident.

You also have to take in to account the travel time of the power, the character animation, and the camera.

all three of thses will stop you from using your power even if the power has cooled down so an extra 0.53 second will not hurt your DPS that much.

which totals about 0.25-0.5 of a second at conventional ranges. so my point still stands. you still lose about 10% of your overall effectiveness.

[soultaker65]

GroverA125 wrote...

which totals about 0.25-0.5 of a second at conventional ranges. so my point still stands. you still lose about 10% of your overall effectiveness.

And most of the time that 0.25-0.5 of a second is used to run away or to get to cover because if you get droped your DPS takes a huge nosedive.

Modifié par soultaker65, 19 août 2012 - 10:00 .

[Olivia Wilde]

I use the GPS with my Asari Characters

I only use the Harrier with the Vorcha Sentinel and the Demolisher

My NovaGuard uses the Carnifex though

[Olivia Wilde]

Casters use the Carnifex because Lower level Talons and Paladins tend to weigh too much for them

I put Talon IX on my Asari Adept However and the Cooldown is +194

[Olivia Wilde]

darkpassenger2342 wrote...

no one respects the saber. On this thread,
I base that on the " harrier is the only good AR" claims
no, i don't mean "no one" literally.
it is an awesome gun, why anyone would use the harrier 1 over the saber 5 is beyond me as well.
i dont care what guns other people use, though.
illl use the saber whether other people do or not.

I consider the Saber to be an excellent Sniper Rifle

[Someone With Mass]

I like taking my Phalanx with me once in a while.

The Harrier is pretty much the only assault rifle that shoots bullets in a good way.

[DullahansXMark]

Someone With Mass wrote...

I like taking my Phalanx with me once in a while.

The Harrier is pretty much the only assault rifle that shoots bullets in a good way.

Non-promo, anyway.

Collector Rifle ftw X3