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[Vergil85]

I'm stuck using the Carnifex on my caster classes because PSPs are
trolling me with nonstop Level 4 consumables. My last ultra rare was a
Scorpion last monday so I'm started to get ticked off. My Talon and Paladin levels are on the low side so they weigh quite a bit and don't have a lot of ammo capacity

As for the Harrier I only use it on my Demolisher, I feel more comfortable with my Mattock on my most used classes.

[Barronator]

Both guns are epic so I use them both, what's the problem? You can't really say we have 47 other weapons to use since most of them are really bad lol.

[SGsunny]

Carnifex is underrated now because of this thread...the UR are overrated

I think Harrier is more overused than Carnifex, whose ROF makes up for the less dmg compared to other rarer pistols.

I always try out new weapons as and when I get them and some simply don't match my expectation and play style. That is, ROF too low, range too short, accuracy too low, etc.

I like to feel as one with my weapon

[St3v3H]

OP why would you care what guns other people use? You can use every gun you want.

When I put a Carnifex on an adept I only do this cause i get 190% recharge and still have decent damage between my power cooldown. I never use guns much on my adepts anyways so I'm using a gun that has the stats that fit my playstyle. Same with the Harrier. I use the Harrier on my Demolisher because its the perfect gun for her. The only time I use the Harrier on another class is when the ammo boxes are not too far apart.

Modifié par St3v3H, 19 août 2012 - 10:38 .

[Aetika]

I still don´t understand, why is OP bothered by some guns being used more than others? I saw some others asking the same question and no answer(or I missed it) So why does it bother you, OP? Is that because you get to hear same sound effects all over again or what?

Modifié par Aetika, 19 août 2012 - 12:03 .

[rale828]

If BW stops nerfing some of the other good guns then i guess you would see a lot more variety when in comes to gun choices players use.

[msantos]

soultaker65 wrote...

I meant overused not overrated.

And what I mean by overused is that even if people have lets say a Saber 5 they would use there Harrier 1 with it low ammo over it.

As for the Carnifex it's not as bad as let say a month ago but almost every Adept or Engineer I see still tries snipe with it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Like I said I get that a lot of people love them, but would it hurt to try something new?

Would it hurt to try something new?


And in the case of the Carnifex, what other gun allows for a cooldown of 200%, offers a standard clipsize of 6 , is as accurate and does at least as much damage?

If you can tell me what weapon is, then I will be happy to try it out since I've had pretty much every weapon unlocked for months and have it to notice it.  

Modifié par msantos, 19 août 2012 - 12:18 .

[soultaker65]

Aetika wrote...

I still don´t understand, why is OP bothered by some guns being used more than others? I saw some others asking the same question and no answer(or I missed it) So why does it bother you, OP? Is that because you get to hear same sound effects all over again or what?

It doesn't bother me at all, if any of my posts come off as such sorry.

[soultaker65]

msantos wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

I meant overused not overrated.

And what I mean by overused is that even if people have lets say a Saber 5 they would use there Harrier 1 with it low ammo over it.

As for the Carnifex it's not as bad as let say a month ago but almost every Adept or Engineer I see still tries snipe with it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Like I said I get that a lot of people love them, but would it hurt to try something new?

Would it hurt to try something new?


And in the case of the Carnifex, what other gun allows for a cooldown of 200%, offers a standard clipsize of 6 , is as accurate and does at least as much damage?

If you can tell me what weapon is, then I will be happy to try it out since I've had pretty much every weapon unlocked for months and have it to notice it.  

The Hornet, Talon, Scorpion, Hurricane, Scimitar, Eviscerator, Katana and Arc Pistol will all do good damage and keep your cooldown low.

Modifié par soultaker65, 19 août 2012 - 01:24 .

[Aetika]

soultaker65 wrote...

Aetika wrote...

I still don´t understand, why is OP bothered by some guns being used more than others? I saw some others asking the same question and no answer(or I missed it) So why does it bother you, OP? Is that because you get to hear same sound effects all over again or what?

It doesn't bother me at all, if any of my posts come off as such sorry.

I see. So it´s just out of curiosity.
Well, I can´t speak for others, but I use Carnifex, because it´s light and it has great damage output. I am well accustomed to it, so I can perform well while using it on any difficulty. So for me, there is no reason to change it. 
Thanks for your answer btw.

Modifié par Aetika, 19 août 2012 - 01:02 .

[Perverius]

IDK, I play different classes and sometimes it's Asari Adept with maxed stasis. I use always this pistol because allows 200% cooldown in case I'll go for BEs and with right consumables you pop heads of troopers in one shot and for Phantom it takes three.

[121andrew]

soultaker65 wrote...

msantos wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

I meant overused not overrated.

And what I mean by overused is that even if people have lets say a Saber 5 they would use there Harrier 1 with it low ammo over it.

As for the Carnifex it's not as bad as let say a month ago but almost every Adept or Engineer I see still tries snipe with it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Like I said I get that a lot of people love them, but would it hurt to try something new?

Would it hurt to try something new?


And in the case of the Carnifex, what other gun allows for a cooldown of 200%, offers a standard clipsize of 6 , is as accurate and does at least as much damage?

If you can tell me what weapon is, then I will be happy to try it out since I've had pretty much every weapon unlocked for months and have it to notice it.  

The Hornet, Talon, Scorpion, Hurricane, Scimitar, Eviscerator, Katana and Arc Pistol will all do good damage and keep your cooldown will be low.

Not everyone has all those weapons, and even if they did, they wouldn't all be at X level.
Shotguns aren't really good at long range, and neither are SMGs. The Scorpion pistol takes a while to explode too.
Thats why the Carnifex is a better choice in the light weapon/good damage department
(The Arc Pistol is a pretty good pistol though.)

Modifié par 121andrew, 19 août 2012 - 01:09 .

[r3apz515]

OP Plays bronze or Silver...thats why he whines about it.

play GOLD or PLatinum then ul thank the carnifex and Harrier users.

scrub.

Modifié par r3apz515, 19 août 2012 - 01:55 .

[SgtAmazing]

They are the last two weapons that are any good.

[soultaker65]

r3apz515 wrote...

OP Plays bronze or Silver...thats why he whines about it.

play GOLD or PLatinum then ul thank the carnifex and Harrier users.

scrub.

Ha Ha that a good joke... wait you were serious?  not cool bro not cool at all.

[L.ast L.ife]

Xaijin wrote...

I'll use whatever I damn well please.

[Ziegrif]

I see some Harriers here and there... Carnifex though.
It's been a long time since I saw one... Haven't even used one in ages.
I see Piranhas and Typhoon almost every match though.

Feels kinda weird to go in a gold and have 3 infiltrators with Piranhas and me on a Krogan with a silly Javelin or something.

Variety is nice and people can use whatever they want really.

[Kalas Magnus]

soultaker65 wrote...

msantos wrote...

soultaker65 wrote...

I meant overused not overrated.

And what I mean by overused is that even if people have lets say a Saber 5 they would use there Harrier 1 with it low ammo over it.

As for the Carnifex it's not as bad as let say a month ago but almost every Adept or Engineer I see still tries snipe with it instead of any of the great guns that Adept can use like Phaeston, Arc Pistol or even the GPS.

Like I said I get that a lot of people love them, but would it hurt to try something new?

Would it hurt to try something new?


And in the case of the Carnifex, what other gun allows for a cooldown of 200%, offers a standard clipsize of 6 , is as accurate and does at least as much damage?

If you can tell me what weapon is, then I will be happy to try it out since I've had pretty much every weapon unlocked for months and have it to notice it.  

The Hornet, Talon, Scorpion, Hurricane, Scimitar, Eviscerator, Katana and Arc Pistol will all do good damage and keep your cooldown low.

Not good enough. There are better options.

Modifié par Kalas321, 19 août 2012 - 03:37 .

[MP-Ryan]

The reason you see so much Carnifex and Harrier usage is because a lot of the other weapons are crap, particularly at low levels.

There are about half-a-dozen low-cooldown weapons in the game at low levels, and the Carnifex is probably the best of the bunch - hence why you see it fairly often. When it comes to assault rifles, the Harrier has the most versatility, hence why you take the Harrier when you want an assault rifle.

If weapon balancing ACTUALLY meant balancing the weapons to provide each with its own niche and make none truly superior to any other except situationally, then you'd probably see more variety in weapon use. Instead, there is a very distinct hierarchy of weapons that means most people are going to end up using a variation of the same dozen or so, depending on their unlocks.

I'd love to use my Talon, but at level II the cooldown is way too long for any class that I wouldn't want heavier weapons on, so there's no point at present.

[Chardonney]

soultaker65 wrote...

The Hornet, Talon, Scorpion, Hurricane, Scimitar, Eviscerator, Katana and Arc Pistol will all do good damage and keep your cooldown low.

And I hate everyone of those, except the Arc Pistol but only in SP, where it is good. I will use which ever gun I want for it is my privilege and I will not change my weapon loadout just to please another player's need for diversity. Everyone of us has paid their game and has the right to play it the way they choose. You use which ever gun you like but don't try to shove them down other players throats. It's not about cooldown; it's about personal preference.

[AldarionnEB]

OK, lets look at EVERY other Assault Rifle in the game.

Avenger
Mattock
Phaeston
Vindicator
Geth Pulse Rifle
Falcon
Revnant
Striker
Saber
Harrier
Typhoon

Of those assault rifles, the Saber, Mattock Striker and Falcon aren't really "Assault Rifles" per se. The Saber is basically a Sniper Rifle disguised as an Assault Rifle, the Mattock is semi-auto, and the Striker/Falcon are grenade launchers.

The Vindicator is a 3 round burst with bad recoil and low damage per bullet. For the gun to work properly it needs to have a stability dampener, which means you then have to choose between a Barrel and a Pen mod. Alternatively you could use it on a Turian, but there are SO many better weapons to use on a Turian that it's just not worth taking.

Concentrating on the ones that are full auto, the Avenger, Phaeston and Geth Pulse Rifle are relatively low end weapons. The Phaeston just outright sucks as a gun and is outclassed by some SMG's. The Avenger and Geth Pulse Rifle can be used, and both have effective builds, but they are not designed to be primary weapons for gun classes. The GPR effectively replaces the Avenger once you have both at rank X, because the high rate of fire, pinpoint accuracy and complete lack of recoil give it a higher sustained DPS. That said, the primary role of the weapon is to apply ammo effects to targets, the most effective of which is Disruptor Ammo which can be detonated with a power like Energy Drain. I use it on my Salarian Engineer and that's about it.

That brings us to the Revnant, the Harrier and the Typhoon. The Revnant is inaccurate as all hell and kicks like a mule, so Turians and Destroyers are the only ones that can really use it effectively, but its high weight means it can't really function on a class that uses powers. That means no Turians, since the Sentinel already suffers from Tech Armor, and the Soldier needs to use Marksmanship as often as possible to be effective. Destroyers could use it, but the Typhoon is still a better weapon even after the nerf. Of all the weapons listed though, the Harrier has the most advantages. It has high DPS, pinpoint accuracy and almost no stability issues if fired out of cover. In cover, it kicks a bit more than usual but that can be curtailed with stability gear on most classes. The Ammo is its biggest problem, and the addition of the Demolisher helped get rid of that problem, and the Destroyer can just take a second weapon like a Piranha. Of all the weapons in the game for that slot, the Harrier is the absolute top of the list and there is not much reason to use anything else.

As for the Carnifex......I don't see why that's overused. The Talon is a far better Pistol, even if it's more of a Shotgun than a Pistol, but its versatility and reasonable weight makes it useable on almost every class. I use the Talon on more classes than I use the Harrier, and I don't use the Carnifex on anything because the Rate of Fire is terrible.

[landylan]

You use the Prothean particle rifle too much. I hope they nerf it.

I don't see people using either of these guns that much. Most people have a low level harrier, and I just don't see the carnifex. It's not even that good.

[Chardonney]

landylan wrote...

I just don't see the carnifex. It's not even that good.

Sorry, wrong. Carnifex is good, even on platinum and Carnifex X is a good substitute for a low level Paladin. These are the two guns I use with my Shadow.

[Ashen One]

landylan wrote...

You use the Prothean particle rifle too much. I hope they nerf it.

I have been seeing an awful lot of PR Destroyers in PUGs though.

[megabeast37215]

GroverA125 wrote...
My point still stands, 0.3 seconds may not seem fully substantial, but you will not be firing off a single power every few minutes or so. You will be firing them off constantly, throughout the match, as fast as you can. Look at it this way, if you fire off on average 100 powers per match (which you don't, it'll be much more), then you spend an extra 30 seconds waiting for recharges. That's pretty substantial, considering that that's about 10 extra shots with a baseline power. So, for ever 10 shots you fire off, you get one free, and you get to have a decent weapon as well.

And by the way, the base recharge speed of a Warp (the most regularly used biotic power) is 16 seconds, without any recharge speed power tree choices, that means that at 200% (half it and half it again), that's 4 seconds. at 150% that turns into 6 seconds. not exactly the 0.3 seconds you are showcasing. Either way, a power user doesn't need a big heavy weapon as their damage output, they need a sidearm that is capable of doing some quick, unsustained damage while they wait for recharge. So the main good alternatives are the Paladin, Valiant and Saber. All of which are either too heavy to fit the bill, or have to pay for it elsewhere.

Aside from your numbers being wrong... you're wrong in theory too.

It has been proven time and time again that weapons do higher DPS than power spam. In fact, you can take a Piranha on your Adept and it will out DPS any amount of Biotic Explosions you can muster... seriously.

So the SMART thing to do... is to take a good gun that actually kills things, with a slightly slower cooldown... and keep spamming powers like you were while shooting the stronger gun between casts. This maximizes your DPS, and makes you a far greater contributor to the team.

200% cooldown is not what people have it made out to be. Bioware has buffed/nerfed this into a gun game supplimented by powers... not a power game supplimented by guns. I know that contradicts what I wrote above kinda... but how else are you supposed to play an Adept? The same tactic still applies to the hit & run Fury/Drell Adept. I guess... if you want to wall hump/spam like a derp... take the lightest thing you can b/c only the Javelin is gonna shoot through big walls.