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Foolsfolly wrote...

ReggarBlane wrote...

I still think that importing game choices is a bad idea. I keep mentioning that some game series in the past (and even recents ones) had no problem with just starting with a particular canon despite however the previous game ended. It didn't stop people from replaying the games before the next one in the series and didn't stop them from replaying the games even after.

However, importing games obliges players to play the previous ones whereas those other series had no such incentives. (I skipped two Ultima games [1 and 4] and two Wing Commander expansions (from 1 and 2) despite their inclusion in the lore of later games.)

We'll likely continue to see this "import your game choices" gimmick due to the $$$ (but I have no desire to play the first The Witcher despite the gimmick).

... and it just a gimmick. The choices make little more than cameo appearances. Their importance in later games is trivialized.

I mostly agree with this. Keeping with a BioWare example knowing Revan in KOTOR was a saint in canon doesn't stop me from enjoying or ruin the experiences I had with a dark side Revan.

Melca36 wrote...

How many times does it have to be
freaking said? David Gaider has stated the comics are NOT CANON to the
games!!!!!!! Geez!

To your imports. There is a BioWare canon.

No there is a cannon for the books and comic since bioware isn't gonna publish every seperate set of events in a book or comic when for the most part large sections would be the same or highly similar.

[robertthebard]

ghostmessiah202 wrote...

I dunno if his has been adressed, but in every book Mr. Gaider is very explicit in not mentioning the sides the warden/hawke took or their choices. The only time this changed was when Leliana was retconned to be alive.

But now the Silent Grove completely retcon's you Origins game. Alistair is suddenly king, even if he wasn't when you played. Isabela is travelling with Varric, which means Hawke didn't hand her over to the Qunari (if he did then she and Varric wouldn't be on speaking terms) and she didn't leave Hawke after she got the relic (again she probably wouldn't be with Varric if she ran away from him and Hawke earlier).

How is this handled? Does the SIlent Grove only take place in a DA universe where Alistair was King and Isabel stayed? Is Bioware erasing some of our choices?

I know Mr. Laidlaw said something about making a clean start with DA3 in terms of importing saves because of all the problems Origins and DA2 had with handling decision imports. (He didnt say your choices would be cancelled, he didnt rule out something like the ME2 comic book to redo choices in a manner that makes them usable in DA3). But since the Leliana retcon it seems Bioware is realizing they actually wanted you to make certain choices and are going to pretend you made them, even if you didnt.

Is the Dark Ritual always going to be performed now, since the Old God Baby seems like a major story arc to me and something that would be hard to fix if you declined Morrigans offer? Is Alistair (the blood of Maric and Calenhad) always the king now?

Edit: Now also there is Sten who appears as the Arishok in the upcoming comics, regardless if the old arishok died or even if you left sten in Lothering.

What is happening to our choices.

All of this can be answered by simply doing a dev post search for DG.  He's addressed this a few times that I can recall off the top of my head.  When you are writing a comic, or a book, you have to have stable lore to write off of.  In order to do this, you can't have if players a through j chose this, then that happens, or if they chose this other thing, then this other thing happens instead.  So you Canonize decisions for the sake of your story.  The world involved doesn't affect the game world for your game any more than you choosing to kill Leliana affects the fact that she's still alive in my game.  Otherwise, all of our games are broken, because we don't all choose exactly the same things, and we don't all do the quests in the same order, or the same way, etc etc etc.

The best way to look at the books and comics is more like "official" fan fiction.

[Foolsfolly]

All I'll say is don't act surprised if some game in the near future just sets up an established canon for simplicity's sake. Be that game Dragon Age 3 or Dragon Age 5 eventually a bloated myriad of possibly continuities will become too expensive to maintain.

Or there will be a big cosmic reset button pressing soon. Like all countries in Thedas in ruins which evaporate our choices.

[The Night Haunter]

Foolsfolly wrote...

All I'll say is don't act surprised if some game in the near future just sets up an established canon for simplicity's sake. Be that game Dragon Age 3 or Dragon Age 5 eventually a bloated myriad of possibly continuities will become too expensive to maintain.

Or there will be a big cosmic reset button pressing soon. Like all countries in Thedas in ruins which evaporate our choices.

Given how our choices in DA2 all turned out to be the same thing (Kirkwall blown up and all gone to hell) I think instead of this Bio will simply restrict such big choices to a few spots and manage everything that way, rather than allowing bigger choices a la DAO. That way our choices still matter, but they dont have to worry too much about writing 10 diff stories for DA 4/5.

I Hope anyway.

[Foolsfolly]

Or they'll slowly do it like how Wynne survives in Awakening reguardless of what you did in Origins or Leliana being around in DA2 regardless. That way choices and characters get set in canon as they become important to plots for future games.

[The Night Haunter]

Foolsfolly wrote...

Or they'll slowly do it like how Wynne survives in Awakening reguardless of what you did in Origins or Leliana being around in DA2 regardless. That way choices and characters get set in canon as they become important to plots for future games.

Was wynne always alive in Awakening? I never played with one of my evil playthroughs where I destroyed the ashes.

Edit: Just searched some and found people who killed Wynne and had her not show up, apparently if you did see her after killing her it is a bug, not her getting resurrected.

Modifié par ghostmessiah202, 23 août 2012 - 05:45 .