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[Tahaisi]

I've been trying and I can't quite make the connection in terms of how old Alistair is at the time of the game play. 

According to the Prima guide,  the 'Modern Age' setting for Dragon Age: Origins is 9:30.  This means that Cailan was born on or around 9:1.    From the book the Calling, we know Cailan is 12-13 years older than Alistair.  That would make Alistair only around 17-18 years old in the game.  He doesn't look, sound, or even act as though he's that young (well ok sometimes he acts that young but you get my meaning).  I'd have put him in his mid-20s at the very least.   
 
Not only that, it means that Duncan, who had been a Grey Warden for less than a year during the book The Calling, would have just started hearing the Calling to the Deep Roads after less than 20 years as a Grey Warden. 

I know that Alistair went to the Chantry at the age of 10.  Does anyone know or recall if at any point in the game, he said how long he'd been at the Chantry before he was recruited?  Or how old the typical Templar would take their vows?

[blazin130791]

he looks like 25 and acts 16.

[Tahaisi]

Well Cailan acts even younger than that I think XD

[Lord Phoebus]

Well it's hard to judge how old a video game character is. I also suppose all of that martial training is going to give him a more weathered look than the average person of his age. But that does explain his personality.

[Antiuna]

That estimate assumes that Alistair is Finoa's son, which he may not be (everyone claims him to be the son of a maid, anyhow).

I would like to know however :-(

Edit: I'm also crazy curious about Morrigan's age.

Modifié par Antiuna, 22 décembre 2009 - 09:40 .

[jennamarae]

Cailan couldn't be 12 to 13 years older than Alistair in-game (haven't read the books yet so I can't comment on that) because there's a conversation between him and Wynne where he says that he met Cailan once. He said "Hello, your Majesty" and Cailan said "Ooh, swords" or something to that effect. "Ooh, swords" sounds like something a child between 6 and 10 would say.

I had assumed Alistair was in his mid-20's, but there is a post in this thread that says he's 32 according to the toolset. He just doesn't look or sound 32 to me... And I can't see the Templars waiting till someone is that old to take their vows.

[Ravenfeeder]

Makes sense to me. I've always thought of Alistair as being only slightly older than the human noble origin PC, who is too young to go to war with his brother.

[Pseron Wyrd]

Ravenfeeder wrote...
the human noble origin PC, who is too young to go to war with his brother.

The way I interpreted Bryce's comments was that your brother goes off to war because he is older, not because you are too young. You may be old enough for war too but he doesn't want to risk losing both of you.

[Tahaisi]

jennamarae wrote...

Cailan couldn't be 12 to 13 years older than Alistair in-game (haven't read the books yet so I can't comment on that) because there's a conversation between him and Wynne where he says that he met Cailan once. He said "Hello, your Majesty" and Cailan said "Ooh, swords" or something to that effect. "Ooh, swords" sounds like something a child between 6 and 10 would say.

I had assumed Alistair was in his mid-20's, but there is a post in this thread that says he's 32 according to the toolset. He just doesn't look or sound 32 to me... And I can't see the Templars waiting till someone is that old to take their vows.

He said he was 'very young' when that happened, and given how Immature Cailan seems at he beginning of the game, if Alistair had been 4-5 and Cailan had been 16-17, I can totally see a teenage boy being more excited bout running off to the armory than talking formal conversations.  Also, you're operating under the assumption that Cailan said, "Ooh swords!" word for word, Alistair may have summarized it to that when in reality Cailan said something like, "Nice to meet you.  Now then, Teagan, you said something about showing me the swords in the armory?"

[gauntz]

Looking at game design, Cailan and Allistair looks about equal in terms of age. The game hints say that Cailan has been king for 5 years, and the general impression you get from say Arl Howe suggests that he's young, immature/unfit etc.I imagined Cailan was about 20 when his father died and he took the throne, making him 25 years old, and that Allistair got recruited just before his templar vows making him ca. 18-20 at that point, and that he got a year or three with experience before the start of the game, making him 21-23. The way everyone goes about how Duncan was like a father to Allistair and how Loghain always seem to (want to) mentor Cailan makes them seem very young. So, does this mean that Maric cheated on his wife? The way the game presents him makes him seem like paragon of good kind of guy, not someone breaking his vows.

[Tahaisi]

Blarg.  Double post, I apologize.

Modifié par Tahaisi, 22 décembre 2009 - 10:22 .

[jennamarae]

Tahaisi wrote...

He said he was 'very young' when that happened, and given how Immature Cailan seems at he beginning of the game, if Alistair had been 4-5 and Cailan had been 16-17, I can totally see a teenage boy being more excited bout running off to the armory than talking formal conversations.  Also, you're operating under the assumption that Cailan said, "Ooh swords!" word for word, Alistair may have summarized it to that when in reality Cailan said something like, "Nice to meet you.  Now then, Teagan, you said something about showing me the swords in the armory?"

Yeah, but based on Cailan's behaviour I can totally see him saying "Ooh, swords" while preparing for the battle. So it's not much of a stretch for me to believe that he actually did say it when he and Alistair met.

[bzombo]

my impression was alistair is low to mid 20s and cailan is mid to late 20s.

[Estelindis]

The toolset says Cailan is 25. (But then it also says Alistair is 32. Don't believe that! May have been his old age back when they were working from that not-so-attractive concept art. Now I'd peg him at 22.)

[Leonhartx]

so many inconsistencies lol.

[bzombo]

some bioware input (david gaider?) would be cool to get the age thing straightened out.

[deusofnull]

I can very well see him in the age of a college student, not grad student.

[Celuwen]

bzombo wrote...

my impression was alistair is low to mid 20s and cailan is mid to late 20s.

Yes, this is what I thought.

[Raoune]

Sorry to bump this quite so badly, but I've just played a bit and have hit on something that leads me to believe Alistair is indeed older than Cailan (aside from the little wrinkles around his eyes. Blatantly a sexy 30 year old )




When you speak to a certain companion who may not be named, he talks a little about Alistair and why he was sent away. The consensus was that:

1. It would make Rowan "no more than a concubine" in the eyes of the nobles of Ferelden (i.e, she had no heir to tie her to the throne at the time Alistair was concieved).

2. Alistair could be a threat to Cailain's claim to the crown if he was discovered. (Unlikely, unless he was older. Younger bastards tend not to have that much support in British history, which Ferelden's politics are clearly based on.)


And why wouldn't Maric have many children? People in Ferelden are hardly known for being faithful. Anora herself claims Cailan had many, many lovers.

[Godak]

Alistair is probably 20-22. The man hasn't had sex, afterall.



If he's any older...Well, shame on him!



I'd put Anora in the 20-22 age group as well.

[_Aine_]

I'd peg Alistair at an inexperienced 21 and Cailan at mid to high 20s. That is just based on appearance and interactions in game however... i saw Anora as 25-27ish.

[Malaia]

shantisands wrote...

I'd peg Alistair at an inexperienced 21 and Cailan at mid to high 20s. That is just based on appearance and interactions in game however... i saw Anora as 25-27ish.

This
my thoughts exactly

[errant_knight]

jennamarae wrote...

Cailan couldn't be 12 to 13 years older than Alistair in-game (haven't read the books yet so I can't comment on that) because there's a conversation between him and Wynne where he says that he met Cailan once. He said "Hello, your Majesty" and Cailan said "Ooh, swords" or something to that effect. "Ooh, swords" sounds like something a child between 6 and 10 would say.

I had assumed Alistair was in his mid-20's, but there is a post in this thread that says he's 32 according to the toolset. He just doesn't look or sound 32 to me... And I can't see the Templars waiting till someone is that old to take their vows.

I'd figured he was about 28 or 29, but I can see him being 32. He's old enough that people seem pretty astonished that he's, erm...inexperienced. I can also see becoming a templar as quite a long process. Not only do they have to learn to be great wrriors, but they also have to learn to wield the magic that they use to control mages. He also said that he didn't fit in well at the chantry. I can see his distaste at some templar practices, and his unwillingness to take it all with the grim seriousness that seems common to templars, holding him back.

I don't think Cailen's lack of maturity is reflective of his age. He's been sheltered and knows little about the real world, although his reaction to Howe's treachery shows that he was a decent man if overly cosseted.

Modifié par errant_knight, 10 janvier 2010 - 01:53 .

[tallon1982]

Calian was like five during The Calling.

[DreGregoire]

Possible spoilers following both game and books! Don't read further if you don't want to know! haha



It's been a bit since I read the books but it is my impression that Cailan is 5 to 6 years older than the child born to Fiona, I support this assumption because at the end of the book Maric talks about Cailan clinging to him, I don't think a 12 year old would do this hehe. I think people may have gotten the idea of him being 12 from the first book but that was an epilogue of his nurse telling him the story about the first book. I say Alistair is around 18 to 21 years old but I mean really it's up to you how you view it. My basis for that age determination is based on that he hadn't yet become a full templar and that he had only been in the Grey Wardens for 6 months before the hero joined. And the reason I stretched out the age a bit is because a certain conversation in game with a certain companion gave a time line of it has been about a year since you left.... Of course this is my opinion not based on facts and I find it very unlikely that anybody at bioware is going to say to you difinately that Alistair is x years old and Cailen is x years old, because that limits the roleplay a bit too much