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[Selej]

You have to keep in mind for Duncan, he wore that amulet giving to him by Remille that sped up the darkspawn corruption. Fiona starting hearing the Calling who only got initiated not too long before Duncan. Luckily he was able to take it off before he himself starting hear it but it still sped up his process.

[tmp7704]

jennamarae wrote...

I had assumed Alistair was in his mid-20's, but there is a post in this thread that says he's 32 according to the toolset. He just doesn't look or sound 32 to me...

David Gaider has commented the toolset data was just guidelines for the voice actors and such, it's not to be taken as actual and official age of the characters.

Alistair seems like someone in 19-21 range if that. (he isn't even full templar yet and i don't imagine the order would fail to enlist people in mid-twenties, as that's the combat prime so to speak) One would have to keep on mind the more harsh environment has effect on how fast the characters "mature" -- the 20-something in the rich western countries of our times are likely to act in general quite more immature than younger people of old, or even "modern" teenagers forced to grow up in poor conditions.

Modifié par tmp7704, 10 janvier 2010 - 06:52 .

[Ulicus]

Tahaisi wrote...

Rowan died in 9:08 according to the official game guide, two years before the events of the Calling (which had to take place in 9:10). Since Cailan was 9 in the Calling, that means he was born in 9:01--before Maric actually reclaimed the throne in 9:03. That makes Cailan 29 in 9:30 during the events of the game. It also means that, if Alistair is indeed Fiona's son, and the convenient coincidences regarding his past and birth seem to indicate that he is, that he would be 19 at the start of the game. It's a little younger than I would expect but not entirely unbelievable.

In The Calling, we're told that it has been 14 years since Maric and Loghain ventured through the Deep Roads. This happened in 8:99 Blessed (maybe late 8:98 at a stretch) which places The Calling at around 9:13, possibly 9:12.  The Wardens are said to have been returned to Ferelden "twenty years ago", sure, but that could easily be rounding up: an exact date is never given in the game.

Per Ailis, Maric reclaimed the throne "three years" after the battle of River Dane in 8:99 which, assuming a 8:100/9:0 year (the codex states that each Age is "exactly" one hundred years and the name for the next is chosen in the 99th Year, not the 100th - so there should be a 8:100 blessed), means it's possible for this to have occured at the end of 9:1. Or earlier, if Ailis was rounding up from two-and-a-half. So, even if it turns out The Calling does happen in 9:10, Cailan could still have been - as the game tells us - the first King to be born into a free Ferelden in three generations.

Selej wrote...
You have to keep in mind for Duncan, he wore that amulet giving to him
by Remille that sped up the darkspawn corruption. Fiona starting
hearing the Calling who only got initiated not too long before Duncan.
Luckily he was able to take it off before he himself starting hear it
but it still sped up his process.

I considered this, but he had the magic dagger of protection. Even if that didn't help stop the process completely, Riordan - who had nothing to do with the plot of The Calling and went through his Joining at the same time as Duncan - tells the player in the game that the Taint won't be sparing him much longer.

Modifié par Ulicus, 10 janvier 2010 - 07:10 .

[Mahumia]

Seeing this plays in a medieval time, one was considered to be 'ancient' at 50 XD The average life span wasn't that long, so one HAD to mature soon.

[Tahaisi]

I think this is just a case of going off of which source you believe more. Rowan is specifically listed as dying in 9:08 and the Calling definitively took place 2 years after her death. Maric, according to the same source that gives the year of Rowans' death (the Dragon Age: Origins Official Prima Game Guide Collector's edition) was coronated in 9:03. I guess at times you just have to fudge the numbers Frustrating, as a writer of DAO fanfic!

[Ulicus]

Tahaisi wrote...

I think this is just a case of going off of which source you believe more. Rowan is specifically listed as dying in 9:08 and the Calling definitively took place 2 years after her death. Maric, according to the same source that gives the year of Rowans' death (the Dragon Age: Origins Official Prima Game Guide Collector's edition) was coronated in 9:03. I guess at times you just have to fudge the numbers Frustrating, as a writer of DAO fanfic!

Was the guide authored/contributed to by the game writers, out of curiosity?

[Tahaisi]

well my version is signed by the entire production team, and the last 1/4 of the book is completely dedicated to Thedas Lore.



The books specifically thanks the games Executive Producer/Project designer Mark Darrah, Lead Designer Mike Laidlaw, Online Producer Fernando Melo, Producer Kevin Loh, and Project Manager Adriana Lopez (as well as the entire DAO development team) for all their tireless support and assistance in making this guide. It also thanks Chris Corfe, Matt Atwood, and Erik Einseidel but I can't find their names in the game credits--its a lot of names to read o.o I'd say given the detail of the lore, the Prima writer didn't pull the info out of his rear end, is all I'm saying.

[Ulicus]

I wasn't saying he pulled it out of his rear end, just wondering if he made mistakes.



For example, if I only had the game and was told: "The Calling takes place two years after Rowan's death, around the time the Grey Wardens return to Ferelden" I'd place Rowan's death at 9:8 Dragon too. If it's the case that he was given a timeline by the dev team and just reproduced it, however, that's different.



Oh, whatever. I suppose it's not important... I just really like timelines.

[Tahaisi]

Hehe me too, which is why I started this discussion. The timelines are laid out very specifically in two places in the guide. I think I've even seen it posted here in in a forum thread. Rowan's death is listed in a specific entry dedicated to her, as is the date of Maric's coronation. The events in the Calling are both completely omitted from the guide, though.

[Creature 1]

Early 20's at the oldest, and way too young for me.

[Tahaisi]

remember--you're only young once but you can be immature forever...

[Ariella]

Arc_Orion wrote...

The toolset says Cailan is 25. (But then it also says Alistair is 32

Yeah, 32 is a big overshot considering that Arl Eamon's character file reports him as 45, placing him at 13 years old when Alistair was born.

One thing we all should consider is that a year in the world of Dragon Age may or may not pass during the same length of time Earth years pass.

I think David mentioned that those numbers were for the voice casting people to give them an age range to look for and not the actual nage of the character, especially considering they give Eamon's age as 15 at the time of Queen Moria's death in TST.

[errant_knight]

Mahumia wrote...

Seeing this plays in a medieval time, one was considered to be 'ancient' at 50 XD The average life span wasn't that long, so one HAD to mature soon.

 I think when we're talking about age, we're talking about 'if they were alive today' as there is no way to know what the age of majority is in Fereldan, or what the average lifespan is.

Personally, I think he's old enough for people to be surprised that he's 'inexperienced.' Given that he's lived in the chantry since he was 10, that wouldn't be all that surprising if he was in his early twenties. My take is that he's in his late twenties, or even early thirties, based on this and appearance.

[Zafireria]

He looks like he is 22-24 ish years. Tho I don't know. Guys are rather slow in the mature process (some are) so if he acts like he is 17-18 he is probably about 22-24, if it is 15-17 it is probably 19-22. Tho I am not an expert. I don't think he is at the 30 yet, and he isn't a teen anymore, so the age range is pretty decent.



He said he was 'kicked out' to the chantry when he was about 10? I don't know how long it takes to become a templer, but I must admit that if he is 22-24, then it is one hell of a long education lol.

It is hard to tell I believe unless we get it confirmed my David Gaider, or perhaps another one who knows the answer. But I'll go so far to say, minimum 20, maximum 24 years.

[Elessara]

Zafireria ... it might seem like a long time right? But how long do WE spend in school? I know I know we can't really compare Ferelden with RL. But still they're not going to stick a 15 yr old kid in heavy plate and give him a sword and say have at it. So they teach him history, religion, sword work, templar talents, etc.



What I don't particularly get is ... why templar? As I recall it's stated in the game that the Chantry looks first for religious devotion and then moral character when selecting who to be templars. Alistair is obviously not devoted. A believer, yes. Devoted to the Maker? No.

[Zafireria]

Elessara wrote...

Zafireria ... it might seem like a long time right? But how long do WE spend in school? I know I know we can't really compare Ferelden with RL. But still they're not going to stick a 15 yr old kid in heavy plate and give him a sword and say have at it. So they teach him history, religion, sword work, templar talents, etc.

What I don't particularly get is ... why templar? As I recall it's stated in the game that the Chantry looks first for religious devotion and then moral character when selecting who to be templars. Alistair is obviously not devoted. A believer, yes. Devoted to the Maker? No.

1. Yes it does seem like a long time, and I did think about that we go to school just as long. Perhaps it isn't that hard to believe that he might be 22-24, I don't tho, he looks 22-24 to me.

2. Well Isolde hates mages with a burning passion, she did everything so Connor wouldn't go to the circle of magic. So perhaps she wanted Alistair to be the one who took her hate into business? 

[Thoron Draugohtar]

Remember this is in a medieval world where kids get married at 14 and people die at 40-50 from old age...
Cailan may have married Anora at 14 and only be 19  Wierd but maybe all of the other codex entries are wrong

I am guessing 19-22 if older or younger my mind explodes and I roleplay to pretend he is that age.

Modifié par jojojordmeister, 11 janvier 2010 - 12:04 .

[Naamah_bb]

OK, it seems that there is a misunderstanding concerning "The Calling"... Book is right in front of me - page 93...

"Don't you have a young son?" she asked

"Cailan. He is five years old, yes."



Interesting...there are two versions it seems...

[Thoron Draugohtar]

Naamah_bb wrote...

OK, it seems that there is a misunderstanding concerning "The Calling"... Book is right in front of me - page 93...
"Don't you have a young son?" she asked
"Cailan. He is five years old, yes."

Interesting...there are two versions it seems...

Mr Gaider! We are onto you sir....

Making 2 versions to try and outwit us....

[MatronAdena]

Ariella wrote...

I think David mentioned that those numbers were for the voice casting people to give them an age range to look for and not the actual nage of the character,

yup, thats exactly what was said, the ages in the tool set are not at all the character ages, they were production notes for the VO departments

[Naamah_bb]

jojojordmeister wrote...

Naamah_bb wrote...

OK, it seems that there is a misunderstanding concerning "The Calling"... Book is right in front of me - page 93...
"Don't you have a young son?" she asked
"Cailan. He is five years old, yes."

Interesting...there are two versions it seems...

Mr Gaider! We are onto you sir....

Making 2 versions to try and outwit us....

Indeed. As if we didn't do enough brainstorming already you throw this on us. For shame.

[Ulicus]

Naamah_bb wrote...

jojojordmeister wrote...

Naamah_bb wrote...

OK, it seems that there is a misunderstanding concerning "The Calling"... Book is right in front of me - page 93...
"Don't you have a young son?" she asked
"Cailan. He is five years old, yes."

Interesting...there are two versions it seems...

Mr Gaider! We are onto you sir....

Making 2 versions to try and outwit us....

Indeed. As if we didn't do enough brainstorming already you throw this on us. For shame.

Well, in that case I'm going to split the difference. Cailan is 7 in The Calling until someone tells me otherwise.

Is the "fourteen years ago" on page 24 different in your version, by any chance?

[totertot]

I just finished the Calling yesterday and Cailin is 9. I don't know how it meshes with the time the things in the book take place. It seems like the dates don't all meet up exactly, but like someone else pointed out, no one really knows the exact dates.

[Creature 1]

I would be shocked if he were 30 and had not taken vows as a Templar yet. As mentioned above, people didn't live as long in societies like Ferelden, and educating someone who is basically going to be a soldier until the age of 30 is just a waste of money and manpower. Medieval knights became knights usually around the age of 20, so he would have to be near this age in order to not have taken vows already or have been booted out of the Templars as a lost cause.



I imagine also Leliana started her career as a bard around 18, and Zevran probably was out on his first contracts at 15. I also think Lel is mid twenties and Zevran around 30. But that's just my guess, based on nothing much.

[Kepha]

Naamah_bb wrote...

OK, it seems that there is a misunderstanding concerning "The Calling"... Book is right in front of me - page 93...
"Don't you have a young son?" she asked
"Cailan. He is five years old, yes."

Interesting...there are two versions it seems...

Maybe an editing problem?  Sometimes books sold in different countries with different publishers have different editors and errors slip through.

My US version definately says 9.