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[chemiclord]

paul165 wrote...JM's comments in this interview suggesting people are mentally deficient isn't stunningly helpful either.

For ****'s sake... SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT!

That is you twisting her words into an insult to you, something the BSN has gotten VERY good at doing whenever someone from Bioware tries to speak.  Everything they say is ripped apart, mangled, and twisted into a backhanded slap to their fans because the fans are bitter and want to be pissed off.

Modifié par chemiclord, 24 août 2012 - 01:19 .

[paul165]

Siran wrote...

3DandBeyond wrote...

You asked me for proof of things that have been repeatedly posted on these forums in regard to the endings.  And you asked for proof of things you already knew and implied consistently that I was lying. 

Then excuse me that I did not read every thread on the endings. Most of them are repetitive anyway. But since you don't want to give your sources I can't argue with you it's that simple and has nothing to do with me implying you are lying

It was repeatedly posted and referenced again and again. 

Then it shouldn't be a big deal for you to link at least some of your statements to the postings...

I even said it was and you said you were fully aware of it, but now you want me to prove it.  That's ridiculous.

Where did I say that, please stop making accusations! I said I know about Emily Wong, that's it. I did neither know about the Wasteland argument nor about Jessica's alleged statements regarding reunion. I've said this in my last post, too, so why do you keep bringing it up?

I was not making it up from the top of my head, but again, you claim I am insulting you and you continually are doing that to me.

I said you write things from the top of your head (meaning how you remember them) not make them up. That's a  difference.

You are asking for proof of things you know to be true.

Again - I don't

And yes they could have done something similar with Emily Wong on BSN.  They could have had a stickied announcement about it and even have done repeated posts as they did on twitter and kept it locked so there would be no replies to it until it was over and at the end they could have opened it up for comments.  It could easily have been done. 

So emulating something that can be done with Twitter? Posting every 2min and closing the thread would have been quite silly. Her Tweets were announced on gameing websites, the Mass Effect website, etc - Twitter has far more reach than BSN and is predestined for it, so why use a medium that isn't as suited for it?

The best bet for the cluster that was the post ending twitter responses is the (locked) twitter thread here:
http://social.biowar...40/704#12486763

As for the personal opinion idea that is generally taken to be a legal disclaimer which is absolutely fine. But if you are asking a dev about a minor detail like dead we blow up the galaxy and they don't know then maybe it indicates there is a problem somewhere.

I don't think many people would argue that the Emily Wong thing was nicely executed for what it was - there are other issues around it but they are not relevant to the conversation. However the post game twitter canon thing became extremely problematic because:

a)they were retconning the game - or at least what the majority logically assumed
b)they didn't agree with each other
c) some of the things they were claiming - and are indeed still claiming make no sense.

[paul165]

chemiclord wrote...

paul165 wrote...JM's comments in this interview suggesting people are mentally deficient isn't stunningly helpful either.

For ****'s sake... SHE DIDN'T SAY THAT!

That is you twisting her words into an insult to you, something the BSN has gotten VERY good at doing whenever someone from Bioware tries to speak.  Everything they say is ripped apart, mangled, and twisted into a backhanded slap to their fans because the fans are bitter and want to be pissed off.

No? She was making jokes about them needing therapy couches because people were "obsessed" - and yes she did use that word. How would you prefer I interpret the comment?

I acknowledge it was lighthearted but her job is PR it is therefore her job not to say stupid s*it like that. Literally it is what she is paid for. Much like the moron of a Rep. with his "legitimate rape" comment she should be skilled enough at the job not say things that can be interpreted the way I interpreted it. And yes I did (and still do) interpret it that way I'm not twisting words for the sake of scoring points

I also note that you aren't willing to defend Chris and his classy "your mom"

[chemiclord]

paul165 wrote...

No? She was making jokes about them needing therapy couches because people were "obsessed" - and yes she did use that word. How would you prefer I interpret the comment?

I acknowledge it was lighthearted but her job is PR it is therefore her job not to say stupid s*it like that. Literally it is what she is paid for. Much like the moron of a Rep. with his "legitimate rape" comment she should be skilled enough at the job not say things that can be interpreted the way I interpreted it. And yes I did (and still do) interpret it that way I'm not twisting words for the sake of scoring points

I also note that you aren't willing to defend Chris and his classy "your mom"

It's for the same reason I don't claim the "Refuse" ending is anything but a slap in the face of the fans who demanded to not accept the Catalyst's "options."

I have no problem with getting on people who do something stupid.  I do have a problem with people largely making up reasons to do so.  Priestly's "your mom" jab was stupid, and he should be raked over the coals for it.

Meritzan's metaphor is just that, a metaphor, and not to be taken literally word for word.  If you're willing to wait thirty seconds before going up in arms, you can process that and see, "Okay, she's talking about being a face that people can vent their dissatisfaction to.  She's not ACTUALLY calling people insane or crazy or mentally deficent.  Might have been better to use a more accurate metaphor like a call center technician, but I get what she was trying to say." 

And that's what I mean.  Fans are so eager to jump down Bioware's throat in blind rage they either can't/won't take a moment, take a deep breath, and ask themselves, "Okay... what is ACTUALLY being said here?"

[Reth Shepherd]

chemiclord wrote...

And that's what I mean.  Fans are so eager to jump down Bioware's throat in blind rage they either can't/won't take a moment, take a deep breath, and ask themselves, "Okay... what is ACTUALLY being said here?"

Wait. So now we're supposed to speculate and head-canon Bioware's reps' statements in addition to the game ending?

[chemiclord]

You shouldn't need to speculate on an obvious metaphor. It literally takes two deep breaths and a willingness to not be immediately insulted.

Modifié par chemiclord, 24 août 2012 - 02:40 .

[Siran]

paul165 wrote...

The best bet for the cluster that was the post ending twitter responses is the (locked) twitter thread here:
http://social.biowar...40/704#12486763

thx for the link, I'll dig into it.

[edit]Just read from post #650 (which was a week or two before ME3's release) till the end - there's nothing where Jessica contradicts herself or "lies" to someone, or promises a reunion, nothing of that sort. There are two references to CoD and ME3 and Jessica saying the didn't want to make ME3 CoD-like and someone posting an article that supposedly proved her wrong, which got later debunked and proven false by several ppl who actually read the linked articles. Same with a comparison of Prometheus and ME3, which was superficial and made false claims, also pointed out by ppl who read the article. Oh, and she said something about the EC (how the squadmates ended up on the Normandy being clarified) which ended up to be true...

As for the personal opinion idea that is generally taken to be a legal disclaimer which is absolutely fine. But if you are asking a dev about a minor detail like dead we blow up the galaxy and they don't know then maybe it indicates there is a problem somewhere.

A personal Twitter account reflects the opinions and thoughts of that person. It's not like it goes through a a screening process or a writer's pit or something similar. It's unfiltered from the top of their heads. And to be honest, you can't just explain complex things via Twitter, that's not what it's meant for. Of course people still try getting answers through Twitter, which is fine, but you can only answer so much, clear up so much in 140 characters.

I don't think many people would argue that the Emily Wong thing was nicely executed for what it was - there are other issues around it but they are not relevant to the conversation.

All the people who joined in, doing their own Reaper Invasion storys with hashtag #solcomms or photoshopping fotos of their hometowns with looming Reapers above them would disagree. A quick google search came up with this thread were people were actually crying as the events unfolded. As I was able to follow it live on twitter I can relate, it was really emotional and heartbreaking. It was even mirrored here on the BSN, so you could read up on it on BSN if you did not like using Twitter (although to follow the story you didn't even need a Twitter account)

However the post game twitter canon thing became extremely problematic because

a)they were retconning the game - or at least what the majority logically assumed
b)they didn't agree with each other
c) some of the things they were claiming - and are indeed still claiming make no sense.

Again, there are official Twitter channels like @masseffect and @bioware or the @alliancenewsnet that was used for the Emily Wong tweets. Then there are personal twitter accounts, where you can ask devs questions and get an unfiltered, personal answer from them if you're lucky. But that doesn't mean it's canon. People tend to mix that up. It's just like meeting one of the devs on the street and asking him / her a question. There are official books, comics in the ME universe, those are canon. To me @alliancenewsnet is canon as it is just like the books or comics and it was namely written by Chris Hepler, Jessica Merizan and Patrick Weekes alongside the main ME3 plot.  Of course people with different opinions will not agree with each other, there is no collaboration process as is normally the case when you write a story in a team like was done for ME3.

Modifié par Siran, 24 août 2012 - 01:10 .

[Reth Shepherd]

Chemic: Jess happens to be the person who said a few months back that the angriest/loudest fans hated themselves and that they needed to...what was it, read some self-help book or other? Don't remember the last part anymore. She also told someone on Twitter that she wanted to make the forums "safe" again. So between that and her psych couch comment and you don't see how people are going to take that poorly? Sorry Jess, I know you're trying to do your job, but GEEZ!

Siran: I don't have Twitter. No plans to GET Twitter. Nor was I on the BSN until a Google search post-ME3-playthrough lead me here. I played through the entirety of ME3 wondering where the heck Emily Wong had gotten to and why there was a complete stranger aboard the Normandy instead of either Emily or Khalisah. It wasn't until I wound up on the forums wondering what the heck I'd done wrong with the ending when I happened to find out that Emily got killed off via Twitter, without so much as a single ingame reference. How hard would that have been? A single email (to be released in the event of my death or something), an offhand reference from someone, heck, a news clip! Would it really have been so horrible to give us non-Twit-heads SOME way of knowing what had happened to our favorite reporter? Don't even get me started on the fact that she was killed off solely so that Allers could take her place! (And yes she was; if you look at the early versions of the leaked scripts, Emily and Khalisah had a MISSION with you! It wasn't until the later versions which included Allers that the mission was scrapped and Emily suddenly and conveniently died off.)

On a related note: I have read the three canon Mass Effect books, so I knew perfectly well who Kahlee Sanders, Paul Grayson, and Kai Leng were. But there was so little information about them ingame that someone who had NOT read the books wouldn't have had any way of knowing who they were or why they were so important. Emily is not the only place where Bioware has failed to put relevant information into the game.

Oh, and this is completely off-topic, but did you guys read the latest Marauder Shields? Chiktikka! <3

Modifié par Reth Shepherd, 24 août 2012 - 02:49 .