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[PaddyMaxson]

So I finished reading Asunder about a month ago and I was thinking about Fiona being essentially the leader of the rebelling mages and who her son is.

In my play through of Origins, Alistair is king and Alistair is still quite a sentimental guy (I didn't harden him). There's some fairly serious possibilities on this for Dragon Age 3.

[Renmiri1]

Still I wonder why Alistair doesn't look "half elf" like Fenriel

[caradoc2000]

Why should he, Fiona and Alistair are not related.

[Dragon_Effect 15511]

She is his mother. It would be a crazy badly written coincidence if she wasn't.

[brushyourteeth]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Still I wonder why Alistair doesn't look "half elf" like Fenriel

He looks just like his dad, and almost exactly like Cailan. I think the Theirin genetics are pretty dominant.

Plus Feynriel might not have looked that way because of the elf mom thing (there's really no such thing as a half-elf, right? they're just born human) -- he might have just been a weird looking dude. *shrugs* wouldn't be the first time.

[ScimitarMoon]

Alistair isn't Fiona's son.

Wasn't Alistair born while Rowan, Maric's wife, was still alive? I think I read something in the codex saying the reason why Eamon took an interest in Alistair was to protect Rowan (who is his sister!). Maric and Fiona's son was born after Rowan died, making him a lot younger than Alistair. Maric simply has another bastard son out there somewhere - who will someday turn up. Perhaps it might be a good thing seeing as how Alistair probably won't have an heir.

[PaddyMaxson]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Still I wonder why Alistair doesn't look "half elf" like Fenriel

It's stated by Fiona that Half Elves come out purely human, which is why the two races don't breed (as it would kill off elves) Faynriel is the mistake, not Alistair

ScimitarMoon wrote...

Alistair isn't Fiona's son.

Wasn't Alistair born while Rowan, Maric's wife, was still alive? I think I read something in the codex saying the reason why Eamon took an interest in Alistair was to protect Rowan (who is his sister!). Maric and Fiona's son was born after Rowan died, making him a lot younger than Alistair. Maric simply has another bastard son out there somewhere - who will someday turn up. Perhaps it might be a good thing seeing as how Alistair probably won't have an heir.

Nope, Marric slept with Fiona while in the deep roads, an adventure he goes on partly to pull himself out of the Malaise that Rowan's death caused. Alistair is the result of their coupling (He's actually named in the book), and Cailan was already a few years old by that point. It's questionable whether Eamon knows who Alistair's mother is, but it's not actually Goldana's mother (Unless Fiona also slept with a peasant man before Marric). The Amulet of Alistair's mother's is Fiona's.

Duncan was with Fiona when she presented Alistair to Marric and knows full well who Alistair's parents are, and there's a fairly major reason why Duncan took an interest in Alistair (He's the son of two good friends, there are also potential political interests, but Duncan seems too honest to manipulate Alistair for these reasons). It's almost certain that Duncan's appointment as Leader of the Ferelden Wardens is related to his rapport with Marric (Duncan was young, and a new recruit when he first met Marric, I'd not be surprised if they spent more than a little time together in the intervening 20 years or so).

edit: I assume, as a clever woman, that Fiona also knows full well who her son is, if he becomes king. I'm figuring nothing will come of this though, as it's pretty difficult to make certain characters vitally important to the story if they can be either a king or a wandering drunkard.

Modifié par PaddyMaxson, 20 août 2012 - 12:35 .

[Renmiri1]

Alistair was named in the book ? I missed that. Which page ?

[brushyourteeth]

Yeah, I'm pretty certain that Alistair is Maric & Fiona's son since he's always looked just like Maric/Cailan and Duncan specifically recruited Alistair to honor the promise he made to Maric/Fiona to always look after the boy.

It would be incredibly random if Duncan never checked in on their son and instead turned his attention to another of Maric's kids who was born around the same time.

For his part, though, Eamon kept Alistair's parentage a secret to honor Rowan's memory and keep her from being scandalized after her death, and also to protect Cailan (who was his blood nephew) from having any other contenders for the throne.

I asked David Gaider once whether Fiona knew her son was alive and who/what he was (though I didn't specifically mention Alistair because it was in a non-spoiler topic) and he said that she definitely knows, but whether she chooses to do something with that information is something we'll have to watch and see.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Still I wonder why Alistair doesn't look "half elf" like Fenriel

All "Half elves" come out purely human.

[PaddyMaxson]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Alistair was named in the book ? I missed that. Which page ?

I'll have to check, I might be wrong, but I remember it being mentioned. Maybe I am wrong? Hrm. I thought they named him.

[BevH]

Alistair was *not* named in the book. Plus, I believe David Gaider was purposefully ambivelant on the subject of whether or not the child at the end of The Calling was Alistair.

[Saberchic]

BevH wrote...

Alistair was *not* named in the book. Plus, I believe David Gaider was purposefully ambivelant on the subject of whether or not the child at the end of The Calling was Alistair.

He (Gaider) was ambivelant on purpose. In fact, although it is implied that it could be Alistair, I think they left it open so that it could be another son out there. I wish I could find the quote, but I remember an insinuation being made that the baby might not be Alistair after all, which surprised me because I thought it was suppossed to be Alistair.

Modifié par Saberchic, 29 août 2012 - 04:58 .

[Sealy]

Gaider (I think) also mentioned that the codex entries are written by what the characters know about themselves, so if "You are the son of a peasant woman, who tryst-ed with the king" Is what Alistair was told it's what his codex will say.

[mopotter]

BevH wrote...

Alistair was *not* named in the book. Plus, I believe David Gaider was purposefully ambivelant on the subject of whether or not the child at the end of The Calling was Alistair.

I think David Gaider has fun watching everyone disagree.  I really hope either in a future book or in DA3 he takes a stand.  Because this disagreement will go on for the next 100 years and more if he doesn't.  

My personal belief is Alistair is not Fiona's son for all the reasons other people have already given.

[Dagr88]

Source: http://dragonage.wik...m/wiki/Alistair

Alistair believes his mother to have been a serving maid who died giving birth to him. He was raised by Arl Eamon Guerrin of Redcliffe. The arl's wife, Arlessa Isolde suspected the reason her husband took an interest in the welfare of a servant's child was that Alistair was Eamon's son. She insisted the boy be sent away to the Chantry. Isolde's suspicions were unfounded, however. Alistair was not Eamon's son, but King Maric's. Eamon sheltered the boy to hide his existence from Queen Rowan, Maric's wife, on the advice of his friend Teyrn Loghain Mac Tir. His illegitimate status notwithstanding, Alistair's parentage makes him a possible heir to the throne, after the demise of his half-brother King Cailan.

Quenn Rowan died 25 years before DA:O

Fiona's and Maric's son is 20 y.o. at the beginning of DA:O

Truthfully, I don't remember "Loghain knows/hide from the Queen" part ever been mentioned in the DA:O.

I read somewhere that after DA:O the timetable of DA universe was shifted. Because of that Alistair became a bit younger. If consider that it's still possible that Alistair is Fiona's son.

Modifié par Dagr88, 31 août 2012 - 07:28 .

[Renmiri1]

Dagr88 wrote...


Truthfully, I don't remember "Loghain knows/hide from the Queen" part ever been mentioned in the DA:O.

I read somewhere that after DA:O the timetable of DA universe was shifted. Because of that Alistair became a bit younger. If consider that it's still possible that Alistair is Fiona's son.

Make Loghain a Warden and he tells you himslef. Maric nearly did recognize Alistair but had to think of Rowan, Cailan and his Kingdom.

Modifié par Renmiri1, 01 septembre 2012 - 12:55 .

[brushyourteeth]

Yeah, if you notice at Ostagar Cailan specifically asks Duncan and you (not Alistair) to their discussion before the battle begins, where he orders Duncan to specifically keep Alistair out of the fighting by having him light the beacon instead.

... really sounded like he was preserving his half-brother *just in case* to me. He'd met Alistair, what, once when they were kids? And Alistair was basically just a barn brat at that point. There was little other reason for Cailan to single him out like that or remember his name.

Whether Alistair is Fiona's son or not (I personally think he is), DG has said that she knows who her son is, and that whether she ever contacts him will have to be a "wait and see". So we can expect that to potentially pop up in DAIII.

[Isaantia]

Resurrecting this very old thread because I finally got around to reading Asunder tonight. AND I MUST TALK AT SOMEONE ABOUT IT.

All this below assumes Alistair is King...

Given the troubles in Ferelden and Ferelden vs Orlais Alistair alluded to in DA2 the very last thing King Alistair would need coming to light is that his real mother was not only an elf but also a mage AND the mage that instigated the war with the templars. Even in DAA, there is frustration within the bannorn because the darkspawn are still around. The average citizen doesn't really care about the nuance between the Architect, the Mother and Archdemon - they only see armies of darkspawn that kill them and ruin their lands. And one can speculate the lack of or slow containment of the darkspawn will definitely erode the rule of a king who is also a Grey Warden.

I wouldn't be surprised to find that Alistair or Anora have been deposed in Ferelden either right before the start of DA3 or sometime during DA3. Especially if the Warden is in fact "disappeared".

[malakim2099]

Saberchic wrote...

BevH wrote...

Alistair was *not* named in the book. Plus, I believe David Gaider was purposefully ambivelant on the subject of whether or not the child at the end of The Calling was Alistair.

He (Gaider) was ambivelant on purpose. In fact, although it is implied that it could be Alistair, I think they left it open so that it could be another son out there. I wish I could find the quote, but I remember an insinuation being made that the baby might not be Alistair after all, which surprised me because I thought it was suppossed to be Alistair.

Well, I think I need to read this book now... but um, what about Goldanna? Granted, I haven't read the book, but if Fiona is Alistair's mom, and Fiona is alive, how does Goldanna (Alistair's half-sister) fit into this?

[LobselVith8]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Still I wonder why Alistair doesn't look "half elf" like Fenriel

Like Feynriel? Probably for the same reason Slim Couldry doesn't look like Feynriel, despite being half-elf himself.

[WhiteKnyght]

LobselVith8 wrote...

Renmiri1 wrote...

Still I wonder why Alistair doesn't look "half elf" like Fenriel

Like Feynriel? Probably for the same reason Slim Couldry doesn't look like Feynriel, despite being half-elf himself.

It specifically said in The Calling that Fiona's child looked completely human. Even Maric expressed surprise over it.

It also said that FIona's child was blonde and looked like Cailan, which Alistair does look like Cailan and he does have blonde hair(albeit the darker shade).

[LobselVith8]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

LobselVith8 wrote...

Like Feynriel? Probably for the same reason Slim Couldry doesn't look like Feynriel, despite being half-elf himself.

It specifically said in The Calling that Fiona's child looked completely human. Even Maric expressed surprise over it.

It also said that FIona's child was blonde and looked like Cailan, which Alistair does look like Cailan and he does have blonde hair(albeit the darker shade). 

My point was that Feynriel is a bit of a change from how we have read about and seen someone who is half elven, since they are supposed to basically look no different than a regular human (as Fiona even points out to Maric).

[Augustei]

Didn't it occur to anyone that the story everyone was told was simply a convenient lie so that nobody discovered and to avoid a massive scandal of how not only did the King of Ferelden have a child with an Elf, she was also a Mage, and also an Orlesian! steps would be taken to avoid such info getting out. So it was said that he was the son of a women of Redcliffe and his existence kept secret for "Rowans Sake" irrelevent of whether she was dead or alive there would still be scandal.

And as for Eamon taking Alistair to protect his Sisters good name, something tells me it was alot more than that.. Maybe Eamon pursuing his ambitions since he is an ambitious noble which is made quite evident in DAO. But oh no its to take care of his poor sweet nephew who isn't really his nephew at all =P.
Then unfortunately for Eamon not wanting any threat to the throne or civil war to break out Loghain or Maric (Most like Loghain's idea he was the smart one) forced Eamon to give Alistair to the Chantry and Alistair assumed it was Eamon's irritating wife.