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Regarding all the EDI hate on the BSN


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Jonata

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 So, I tried to start an EDI support thread here. It was never done before and I understood why after the thread almost instantly failed to find even one supporter for the unshackled Normandy AI. It appears that practically no one on these boards like her, and the reason for all this hate seems to be that people perceive her and her new ME3 body as "oversexualized".

I would like to share with you my opinion on the subject, explaining as well why I think you are wrong. 

1. What's in a name? 

Videogames are a very young media, and they were once aimed at kids and teenagers. As a results, they can often use juvenile methods to appease their public, one of the most overused being the sexualization of female characters. Japanese games, for example, do it all the time: Ivy from Soul Calibur, Gloria/Trish from Devil May Cry and obviously Bayonetta are all oversexualized characters... they were designed, from the very beginning, to appease players on a very basic level. To put it honestly, those "women" were designed to make players horny while playing. 

See, that's the very purpose of sexualizing a character, appease the player with sexually oriented images. Now, what would be the purpose of sexualizing EDI? Mass Effect already has women and men with which you can actually have sex, the game surely doesn't need to appease players on that topic. Also, EDI is not a romanceable option, she is actually the only main character that has a compelling love story that does not involve Shepard. Why the hell BioWare would want to sexualize EDI? It does not make sense, and I'll tell you why: EDI's body is not an example of oversexualizing the female body.

2. "But she has high heels and huge boobs!" 

(Technically, her boobs are smaller than Liara's, but that's just a side note to put things in perspective) 

When you saw EDI for the first time, what were you thinking? Probably, "oh, this robot has high heels, huge bobos, looks almost naked... it's so sexualized!". I can understand this, this kind of thoughts probably comes from the minds of gamers who have been used to see characterse like Bayonetta everywhere, but that's not what I thought. My first opinion on EDI was: "Woah, she looks very vintage." And guess what? I was right! 

EDI's body was based on Maria, a character from the 1927 Sci-Fi movie "Metropolis" that I recently had the pleasure to see. Here she is:

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Add a couple of "shiny metal" effects like those on Shepard's new N7 Armor, the face of Tricia Helfer and you've got EDI. Now, Maria is obviously designed to look attractive, but not in the way you would think. She is not a "nerdbait", she is not there to stimulate your sexual desires. She is there to use her appealing looks as a functional part of the story (I'm not gonna spoil you how). 

And EDI does exactly that. Her character development from incorporeal AI to something more "alive" is one of the primary themes of the game,  and gaining an attractive body is one of the first steps that change her point of view on humans. With her new body she start interacting with people defeating their prejudice and starting to know how organics works. She is attractive, but not designed to make the player horny like oversexualized character: she is designed to appear attractive to the in-game characters. She is not "attainable", she cannot have sex with the player nor is interested in it. 

Also, she's cleary a tribute to the very roots of the Sci-Fi mythos, and that already put her one step ahead of many other attractive female videogame characters. 

3. In The End

I'm not forcing you to like EDI. I'm not telling you that you should go now and select Synthesis or Control to keep her alive. I'm just stating that EDI being oversexualized is a fallacious statement and is actually insulting both BioWare work and even the character development of any other LI. Because if EDI is a character made to appeal players through sexuality, then what does that make characters like Liara, Tali or Miranda, women with attractive bodies who actually want to have sex with you during the game? 

I'm just asking you not to use double standards: you like Miranda because of her strong personality? Then please take in consideration EDI's character and not just her curves. Which are not out of place, and I just explained why. 


4. TL;DR

- EDI's body is not an example of oversexualizing female characters. She is a tribute to vintage Sci-Fi designs.
- EDI is not a LI, so it would not make sense to oversexualize her.
- Please judge EDI according to her character development just like you do with people like Liara, Tali or Garrus.

Modifié par Jonata, 19 août 2012 - 04:18 .


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SpamBot2000

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BioWare's EDI design is not oversexualized because they ripped it off from Metropolis? And we are just too ignorant to appreciate that?

Ok, got it.

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Who even wanted EDI as a squadmember? I can guarantee you the majority of fans would've preferred one of the ME2 squaddies, like Thane or Legion. Sad thing is that all of the ME2 characters got the short end of the stick in ME3.

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You just now saw Metropolis? Jonata I am disappoint.

EDI is a Pinocchio story.

If you can't get past the way she looks it says a LOT more about you than it does her.

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I believe those vintage designs didn't have cameltoes.

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ShepnTali

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EDI is an oversexualised wasted slot.

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That pic doesn't have a cameltoe, or ****** on an edi scale.

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I haven't seen that much EDI hate on here. I mean I've seen some people irked about the sexualisation and her story arc, but most of hate is directed at the awful ending.

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Nothing feels more better than seeing a bowl of BS in BSN.

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I would rather to see her inside the Normandy as in ME2 but well, artistic whatever made from her good voice of ship also good voice of sexbot...

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There are a couple of nutjobs on here that hate EDI cuz she "stole" Joker from them........ not gonna name names

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"Hey, I'm not being sexist and a male chauvinistic pig. I'm just paying tribute to 12th century culture and mentality. Now go get me my goddamn sandwich woman!"

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Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Who even wanted EDI as a squadmember? I can guarantee you the majority of fans would've preferred one of the ME2 squaddies, like Thane or Legion. Sad thing is that all of the ME2 characters got the short end of the stick in ME3.


While I would like to have people like Grunt or Jack back in the team just like anyone else, I think that EDI gaining a body was a natural evolution of her character. At the end of ME2 she was practically one of the squadmates, a body was the only thing missing. 

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EDI and Joker wedding.

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Deal with it.

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Is that hate towards EDI though or hate towards how character designers handled her body? I've mostly seen that people like EDI's character, but don't like that she got turned into a sexbot.

Modifié par Hydralysk, 19 août 2012 - 04:28 .


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"EDI's body needed to be sexy" -- says so right in the Art of Mass Effect Universe.

Not trying to be a hater (I actually loved her character development in both games), but come on, let's be real here. 

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I love EDI as a squadmember. I love her character growth, and when you take her on missions, she has some hilarious dialogue.

I couldn't give two sh*ts if she's oversexualized or not. I don't judge by appearances.

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Taboo-XX wrote...

You just now saw Metropolis? Jonata I am disappoint.

EDI is a Pinocchio story.

If you can't get past the way she looks it says a LOT more about you than it does her.


There are a couple of classics that I still have to see, but I'm working on that. I'm actually reading the Sight & Sounds updated chart to see what are the next missing movies I absolutey have to see. 

Good job, anyway, Taboo. We do not always agree but you said exactly what I wanted to say in a lot less words.

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I liked ME1's non-****ty combat armor for females. You know, the one where the breasts didn't stick out some 6 inches?

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Jonata wrote...

Taboo-XX wrote...

You just now saw Metropolis? Jonata I am disappoint.

EDI is a Pinocchio story.

If you can't get past the way she looks it says a LOT more about you than it does her.


There are a couple of classics that I still have to see, but I'm working on that. I'm actually reading the Sight & Sounds updated chart to see what are the next missing movies I absolutey have to see. 

Good job, anyway, Taboo. We do not always agree but you said exactly what I wanted to say in a lot less words.


Oh that's a fun list. But I'm certain you've already seen 8 1/2.

You can always ask me too if you'd like. I'm always willing to give film recommendations. And that offer extends to everyone here.

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TK Dude wrote...

Nothing feels more better than seeing a bowl of BS in BSN.


Your wasted post is BS, the OP was at least trying to make an interesting debate.

EDI is indeed very close to the Metropolis character, and not a million miles from Caprica 6 - not a bad homage to make.
I don't tend to agree with the OP, as I still think she was over sexualised, and it could have made for a far deeper story if she had looked more natural like Traynor.

But I don't dislike the character, especially as she has some of the best dialogue in the series. "That was a joke".

If you have nothing to add but dull one liners, you may be out of you depth in this forum.  Try CoD.

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You didn't address the biggest issue with EDI. She has a ******. She is practically a talking fleshlight for Joker. This is disgusting. I never go to the front of the Normandy because of her.

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iiimaginary wrote...

"EDI's body needed to be sexy" -- says so right in the Art of Mass Effect Universe.

Not trying to be a hater (I actually loved her character development in both games), but come on, let's be real here. 


I actually explained that she indeed was designed to be attractive. But she was not designed like that to appeal on players. 

I know it may sounds silly, but believe me it is part of her character development. Read what I wrote down up there, and go see Metropolis if you have the time. Being attractive can be essential to sheape her point of view on organics.

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7he Island Head wrote...

You didn't address the biggest issue with EDI. She has a ******. She is practically a talking fleshlight for Joker. This is disgusting. I never go to the front of the Normandy because of her.


How'd that moderator application go? 

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There's lots of EDI hate on the boards, until somebody says they chose Destroy, then it's "But you killed EDI".Posted Image

Speaking as one of the on average 500 people that respond to polls here, I wouldn't want any more involvement from ME 2 squaddies than we currently get, so she didn't steal any spots on my team that could have been better filled by somebody else.  Depending on Shepard's class, my most used squad would be Garrus/Liara/Tali any way.  Subbing for whether I've picked them up yet or not.

The cameltoe arguement is totally juvenile, since you really have to be focusing on it.  That says a lot more about the commenters than the subject.  It took me a couple of days to actually notice it after I read about it, and frankly, I'm a dirty old man.  If seeing naked, or mostly naked pixels, or polygons was all that necessary, I'd go play the Conan MMO.  I do wonder, however, how many of the people complaining about cameltoe were busy asking for more nudity in a Rated M game.  I'd go check the DA O forums, but frankly, I'm far too lazy.

The fact is, it's more about "I wanted squaddies from ME 2" than "she's overly sexualized".  However, people will grab onto whatever they can if they think it gives them a stronger case.